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Hemisemipumo: how was Dick Cheney so successful

At manipulating thru bureaucracy?
pearl marvelous national security agency
  05/21/12
this seems easy: alpha as fuck and even smarter than that.
bull headed azn idea he suggested
  05/21/12
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carnelian hell shitlib
  05/31/14
by cultivating the ability to quickly bring people down, bas...
Plum sexy hospital
  05/21/12
I'm reading that long vanity fair article. Everyone is in aw...
pearl marvelous national security agency
  05/21/12
is there a link to it?
House-broken Bearded Community Account Dilemma
  05/21/12
http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2009/02/bush-ora...
pearl marvelous national security agency
  05/21/12
"preparations for war with Iraq are not yet publicly ac...
House-broken Bearded Community Account Dilemma
  05/29/12
alpha
boyish tanning salon puppy
  05/31/14
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carnelian hell shitlib
  02/22/17
being that alpha requires a decision...that you don't give a...
Wonderful mad cow disease
  05/21/12
hes friends with scalia. u?
irate lemon nursing home hunting ground
  05/21/12
this only works once you obtain a position of power. so we a...
jade generalized bond
  05/21/12
He was also able to stay in the shadows and give Bush the il...
pearl marvelous national security agency
  05/21/12
also, he knew precisely what he wanted to do before he got i...
Plum sexy hospital
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House-broken Bearded Community Account Dilemma
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carnelian hell shitlib
  05/21/12
I laughed at the image of this bald motherfucker cackling as...
bateful friendly grandma university
  05/21/12
Richard Clarke: That night, on 9/11, Rumsfeld came over and ...
pearl marvelous national security agency
  05/21/12
I'm going to be crude as hell but these niggers need to hang...
Ruby Contagious Plaza Tank
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carnelian hell shitlib
  05/21/12
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jade generalized bond
  05/21/12
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carnelian hell shitlib
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carnelian hell shitlib
  09/16/12
1. Richard clarke is a known partisan hack liar 2. T Eve...
White bipolar piazza mexican
  05/21/12
If all we did was bomb Iraq it would have been NBD
titillating roast beef
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Ruby Contagious Plaza Tank
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jade generalized bond
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carnelian hell shitlib
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carnelian hell shitlib
  01/06/13
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/cheney/
pearl marvelous national security agency
  05/21/12
In establishing these programs, Cheney limited input from ot...
pearl marvelous national security agency
  05/22/12
In his book, Gellman describes how, before this face-off, Ch...
carnelian hell shitlib
  08/19/12
That was a strange guy. On his official portrait the expres...
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Date: May 21st, 2012 9:52 PM
Author: pearl marvelous national security agency

At manipulating thru bureaucracy?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1953861&forum_id=2#20739516)



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Date: May 21st, 2012 9:56 PM
Author: bull headed azn idea he suggested

this seems easy: alpha as fuck and even smarter than that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1953861&forum_id=2#20739548)



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Date: May 31st, 2014 3:52 PM
Author: carnelian hell shitlib



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1953861&forum_id=2#25662890)



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Date: May 21st, 2012 9:57 PM
Author: Plum sexy hospital

by cultivating the ability to quickly bring people down, basically. he let it be known that straying too far from the official "line" on subjects like the iraq war would result in damage to career and livelihood.

you have to remember that most bureaucrats are pussies; they are functionaries who don't want to have to get involved with messy internecine battles. if you threaten them early and often, they lose their will to fight, and can be made to say or do whatever is on the agenda.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1953861&forum_id=2#20739556)



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Date: May 21st, 2012 9:58 PM
Author: pearl marvelous national security agency

I'm reading that long vanity fair article. Everyone is in awe of this skill.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1953861&forum_id=2#20739573)



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Date: May 21st, 2012 10:00 PM
Author: House-broken Bearded Community Account Dilemma

is there a link to it?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1953861&forum_id=2#20739591)



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Date: May 21st, 2012 10:02 PM
Author: pearl marvelous national security agency

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2009/02/bush-oral-history200902?printable=true&currentPage=all#

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1953861&forum_id=2#20739613)



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Date: May 29th, 2012 7:37 PM
Author: House-broken Bearded Community Account Dilemma

"preparations for war with Iraq are not yet publicly acknowledged, but earlier in the spring, as Condoleezza Rice discusses diplomatic initiatives involving Iraq with several senators, Bush pokes his head into the room and says, “Fuck Saddam. We’re taking him out.”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1953861&forum_id=2#20788656)



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Date: May 31st, 2014 3:54 PM
Author: boyish tanning salon puppy

alpha

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Date: February 22nd, 2017 11:16 PM
Author: carnelian hell shitlib



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Date: May 21st, 2012 10:04 PM
Author: Wonderful mad cow disease

being that alpha requires a decision...that you don't give a fuck about people liking you, just fearing you. you will basically never have a real friend but people will respect you. I could'nt do that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1953861&forum_id=2#20739639)



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Date: May 21st, 2012 10:05 PM
Author: irate lemon nursing home hunting ground

hes friends with scalia. u?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1953861&forum_id=2#20739648)



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Date: May 21st, 2012 11:54 PM
Author: jade generalized bond

this only works once you obtain a position of power. so we are missing a key part of this discussion.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1953861&forum_id=2#20740954)



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Date: May 21st, 2012 10:16 PM
Author: pearl marvelous national security agency

He was also able to stay in the shadows and give Bush the illusion of power.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1953861&forum_id=2#20739773)



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Date: May 21st, 2012 10:22 PM
Author: Plum sexy hospital

also, he knew precisely what he wanted to do before he got into the VP office. he had been a proto-neocon pimping anti-soviet scare stories since the early 1970's, and by the time the 90's rolled around, his plot to bring down those towers was well underway.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1953861&forum_id=2#20739868)



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Date: May 21st, 2012 10:24 PM
Author: House-broken Bearded Community Account Dilemma



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1953861&forum_id=2#20739891)



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Date: May 21st, 2012 10:26 PM
Author: carnelian hell shitlib



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1953861&forum_id=2#20739911)



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Date: May 21st, 2012 10:38 PM
Author: bateful friendly grandma university

I laughed at the image of this bald motherfucker cackling as the towers fall

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1953861&forum_id=2#20740034)



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Date: May 21st, 2012 10:55 PM
Author: pearl marvelous national security agency

Richard Clarke: That night, on 9/11, Rumsfeld came over and the others, and the president finally got back, and we had a meeting. And Rumsfeld said, You know, we’ve got to do Iraq, and everyone looked at him—at least I looked at him and Powell looked at him—like, What the hell are you talking about? And he said—I’ll never forget this—There just aren’t enough targets in Afghanistan. We need to bomb something else to prove that we’re, you know, big and strong and not going to be pushed around by these kind of attacks.

And I made the point certainly that night, and I think Powell acknowledged it, that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. That didn’t seem to faze Rumsfeld in the least.

It shouldn’t have come as a surprise. It really didn’t, because from the first weeks of the administration they were talking about Iraq. I just found it a little disgusting that they were talking about it while the bodies were still burning in the Pentagon and at the World Trade Center.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1953861&forum_id=2#20740201)



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Date: May 21st, 2012 10:56 PM
Author: Ruby Contagious Plaza Tank

I'm going to be crude as hell but these niggers need to hang.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1953861&forum_id=2#20740222)



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Date: May 21st, 2012 11:02 PM
Author: carnelian hell shitlib



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1953861&forum_id=2#20740287)



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Date: May 21st, 2012 11:57 PM
Author: jade generalized bond



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Date: August 19th, 2012 4:24 PM
Author: carnelian hell shitlib



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1953861&forum_id=2#21374757)



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Date: September 16th, 2012 10:16 PM
Author: carnelian hell shitlib



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Date: May 21st, 2012 11:13 PM
Author: White bipolar piazza mexican

1. Richard clarke is a known partisan hack liar

2. T

Even if that story is true, their gut instinct -we need to bomb the fuck out of somebody - was the same sensation every non-fag american had that day, queermo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1953861&forum_id=2#20740436)



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Date: August 23rd, 2012 12:54 AM
Author: titillating roast beef

If all we did was bomb Iraq it would have been NBD

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1953861&forum_id=2#21401552)



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Date: May 21st, 2012 10:39 PM
Author: Ruby Contagious Plaza Tank



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1953861&forum_id=2#20740040)



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Date: May 21st, 2012 11:55 PM
Author: jade generalized bond



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1953861&forum_id=2#20740958)



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Date: August 19th, 2012 4:24 PM
Author: carnelian hell shitlib



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1953861&forum_id=2#21374756)



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Date: September 11th, 2012 10:21 PM
Author: carnelian hell shitlib



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1953861&forum_id=2#21556639)



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Date: January 6th, 2013 10:30 PM
Author: carnelian hell shitlib



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Date: May 21st, 2012 11:13 PM
Author: pearl marvelous national security agency

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/cheney/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1953861&forum_id=2#20740440)



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Date: May 22nd, 2012 3:21 AM
Author: pearl marvelous national security agency

In establishing these programs, Cheney limited input from others who might disagree, including the top legal officers in the military, the top intelligence officials at the National Security Council and the State Department, and even the national security adviser herself, Condoleezza Rice.

"Cheney created a new doctrine in which the president was accountable to no one in his decisions as commander in chief," Gellman said. "What was new and innovative here, and quite radical, was the notion that the president's interpretation could not be challenged, that because the executive is a separate branch, courts and Congress could not tell the president, in any way, how to exercise his powers as commander in chief."

Indeed, so pervasive was Cheney's control that when lawyers from the National Security Agency, which was conducting the domestic surveillance, went to the Justice Department to look at the legal opinion authorizing the warrantless surveillance, Cheney's lawyer, Addington, showed up and angrily told them they had no right to see it.

Later, the secret domestic surveillance program would become the subject of a threatened massive resignation from the top ranks of the Justice Department. By then, there was a new head of the Office of Legal Counsel, Jack Goldsmith, who examined many of John Yoo's opinions and found them, in his words, deeply flawed. The torture authorization was finally revoked.

And the domestic surveillance authorization had big problems. Attorney General John Ashcroft, Deputy Attorney General James Comey and others agreed that the president was exceeding his constitutional authority, and with Ashcroft critically ill in the hospital, Acting Attorney General Comey refused to reauthorize the program. That led to the now famous hospital scene with top White House officials pressuring a resistant Ashcroft to overrule Comey.

Keeping Bush In The Dark

In his book, Gellman describes how, before this face-off, Cheney kept President Bush in the dark for three months so that the president was unaware that his Justice Department believed the program was illegal. When Comey finally went to the White House after the hospital scene, both he and Bush were in for a rude shock.

"The president says to the acting attorney general, 'I just wish you weren't bringing this objection at the last minute,' " Gellman said.

Then Comey told the president it wasn't just he who was objecting, but the top ranks at Justice, and even the FBI director was about to resign. When Robert Mueller confirmed that in a meeting with the president, Bush reversed course.

"You had the FBI director, attorney general, the next five levels of officials — which is a couple of dozen people — in the Justice Department, the general counsel of the CIA and the FBI, were all going to resign, in principle because they believed this program was unlawful," Gellman said. "And George Bush didn't know it until an hour before it was going to happen."

Faced with a wholesale resignation that would have made the Watergate "Saturday Night Massacre" look like a picnic, the president relented, withdrew his authorization and told Comey to fix the program to make it legal. Had he not changed course, according to Gellman, some of Bush's top aides believe he very likely would have been impeached.

"I think from that moment, Bush understood more clearly than before that he had to take Cheney's advice at arm's length," Gellman said. "That was the beginning of a gradual loss of influence by the vice president over George Bush, because Bush realized Cheney could lead him off a cliff."

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=99422633

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1953861&forum_id=2#20742545)



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Date: August 19th, 2012 4:29 PM
Author: carnelian hell shitlib

In his book, Gellman describes how, before this face-off, Cheney kept President Bush in the dark for three months so that the president was unaware that his Justice Department believed the program was illegal. When Comey finally went to the White House after the hospital scene, both he and Bush were in for a rude shock.

"The president says to the acting attorney general, 'I just wish you weren't bringing this objection at the last minute,' " Gellman said.

Then Comey told the president it wasn't just he who was objecting, but the top ranks at Justice, and even the FBI director was about to resign. When Robert Mueller confirmed that in a meeting with the president, Bush reversed course.

"You had the FBI director, attorney general, the next five levels of officials — which is a couple of dozen people — in the Justice Department, the general counsel of the CIA and the FBI, were all going to resign, in principle because they believed this program was unlawful," Gellman said. "And George Bush didn't know it until an hour before it was going to happen."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1953861&forum_id=2#21374777)



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Date: August 19th, 2012 4:36 PM
Author: razzle trailer park place of business

That was a strange guy. On his official portrait the expression on his face was a cross between a smile and a sneer. Really strange.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1953861&forum_id=2#21374818)



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Date: August 25th, 2013 6:05 PM
Author: carnelian hell shitlib



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Date: December 7th, 2019 5:36 AM
Author: maniacal cobalt bawdyhouse blood rage



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