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Seriously, how can I career change into IT

I'm 30 years old, poli sci JD shithead in a deadend job. ...
....,,.,.,..,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,..  06/13/12
what's your dead end job? tech support guys at big law firms...
.,.,...,..,.,.,:,,:,.,,,:::,.;,.,:,.,.:.:.,:.::,.  06/13/12
Nonprofit paper pusher
....,,.,.,..,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,..  06/13/12
start looking at microsoft and cisco certifications
Belieber On the Hood of a Fisker Karma  06/13/12
IT is a really broad area man. do you want to develop softwa...
Carl Spackler  06/13/12
Dude, did you even read my OP?
....,,.,.,..,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,..  06/13/12
so you don't want to do programming or engineering. that sti...
Carl Spackler  06/13/12
Really? You mean like the IT help desk guys that every BIGL...
....,,.,.,..,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,..  06/13/12
some companies/firms have onsite people, some farm it out to...
Carl Spackler  06/13/12
So much wrong with this post.
1/2 Cents  06/13/12
explain
Carl Spackler  06/13/12
There's so many opportunities in IT. There are people who...
1/2 Cents  06/13/12
i'm well aware that there are a lot of opportunities in IT. ...
Carl Spackler  06/13/12
The trick is to find a technology company that decides to ha...
1/2 Cents  06/13/12
Not really. You can make bank as a contractor. Just roll you...
" " " "  06/13/12
and who is going to sponsor you to get those certifications ...
140k  06/13/12
Yes What is this sponsorship flame
" " " "  06/13/12
are you going to answer the question?
140k  06/13/12
Wtf are you talking about w sponsorship
" " " "  06/13/12
LOL ok why don't you tell me what you know about IT contract...
140k  06/13/12
No thanks. Name some certs requiring sponsorship
" " " "  06/13/12
Well since I gotta head out I'll start with two you might've...
140k  06/13/12
LOL you don't need sponsorship for those. Just do SAP-approv...
" " " "  06/13/12
Ok bro "just do SAP approved training" and who ...
140k  06/13/12
You can get the certs by paying for training and taking test...
" " " "  06/13/12
Date: June 13th, 2012 10:15 PM Author: ,,.,,..,,,..,,.,.,,....
140k  06/13/12
No, you can pay for approved training wo company sponsorship...
" " " "  06/13/12
Date: June 13th, 2012 10:21 PM Author: ,,.,,..,,,..,,.,.,,....
140k  06/13/12
Just admit that you were wrong. There are many approved trai...
" " " "  06/13/12
in my career I've met 0 people that fit this description. W...
140k  06/13/12
I'm already set. With your tiny pink 72k NYC salary, you mus...
" " " "  06/13/12
try seattle for a major software company bro. It ain't too ...
140k  06/13/12
Desktop support is where it's at. Employable anywhere, great...
1/2 Cents  06/13/12
lol
Carl Spackler  06/13/12
(HVAC troll)
Senator R. Clayton "Clay" Davis  06/13/12
This conflating of software development and information syst...
1/2 Cents  06/13/12
right right. i come from more of a business background so i ...
Carl Spackler  06/13/12
I barely (BARELY) graduated high school, have zero college e...
1/2 Cents  06/13/12
fuck you.
....,,.,.,..,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,..  06/13/12
do you live in san diego?
;.,.;;.;;.,.;;;.,;.,.,..,.;;.;.;;.;.;  06/13/12
NYC.
1/2 Cents  06/13/12
At $65k/year, you'll never be able to retire in dignity.
<('o'<)~~  06/13/12
get married. read about option trading. buy a house earlie...
140k  06/13/12
Raises, bro. Plus I get a nice bonus.
1/2 Cents  06/13/12
i have a college degree in finance but learned programming l...
140k  06/13/12
clown question breh
.,.,.,.,.,.,.,,..,.,.,.,.,.,,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.  06/13/12
I support this meme.
CarneyLansford  06/13/12
with a JD and no experience, quite honestly you're on the sa...
PauliePorsche  06/13/12
it's mind numbing work. I worked the PM shift before and we ...
1/2 Cents  06/13/12
if you want an IT job to be at least somewhat interesting - ...
PauliePorsche  06/13/12
a large enough company would allow you to do all of that. ...
1/2 Cents  06/13/12
yea i do a bit of both. I like the project stuff way more
PauliePorsche  06/13/12
I don't like project stuff because a lot of it involves rely...
1/2 Cents  06/13/12
i think PP is involved in stuff a little bit more sophistica...
Carl Spackler  06/13/12


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Date: June 13th, 2012 9:21 PM
Author: ....,,.,.,..,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,..

I'm 30 years old, poli sci JD shithead in a deadend job.

Not engineering or programming. IT.

For example, I know a guy that manages the email servers for a nonprofit. Real cush, easy as shit gig. He doesn't have a STEM degree nor does he know how to do that programming or hardcore shit. He's just kinda good at computers.

How do I get into that racket?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970143&forum_id=2#20883006)



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Date: June 13th, 2012 9:23 PM
Author: .,.,...,..,.,.,:,,:,.,,,:::,.;,.,:,.,.:.:.,:.::,.

what's your dead end job? tech support guys at big law firms make decent money. 75k+. i imagine their supervisors do even better.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970143&forum_id=2#20883023)



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Date: June 13th, 2012 9:40 PM
Author: ....,,.,.,..,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,..

Nonprofit paper pusher

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970143&forum_id=2#20883184)



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Date: June 13th, 2012 10:03 PM
Author: Belieber On the Hood of a Fisker Karma

start looking at microsoft and cisco certifications

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970143&forum_id=2#20883348)



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Date: June 13th, 2012 9:26 PM
Author: Carl Spackler

IT is a really broad area man. do you want to develop software at google? do pricing and vendor analysis at mckinsey? fix laptops at best buy?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970143&forum_id=2#20883062)



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Date: June 13th, 2012 9:40 PM
Author: ....,,.,.,..,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,..

Dude, did you even read my OP?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970143&forum_id=2#20883182)



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Date: June 13th, 2012 9:44 PM
Author: Carl Spackler

so you don't want to do programming or engineering. that still leaves a big area of jobs.

are you saying you want to be some sort of back office IT administration monkey focusing on one product or system? those guys make shit money and don't tend to develop transferable skills. their jobs are also easiest to offshore or outsource.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970143&forum_id=2#20883215)



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Date: June 13th, 2012 9:45 PM
Author: ....,,.,.,..,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,..

Really? You mean like the IT help desk guys that every BIGLAW firm (or basically any large organization has)? Don't you always need someone on site for that kinda shit?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970143&forum_id=2#20883220)



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Date: June 13th, 2012 9:52 PM
Author: Carl Spackler

some companies/firms have onsite people, some farm it out to firms that have traveling reps. either way, it's monkey work that doesn't pay well. yes, they have onsite people to do things like install a new battery, but the guys telling you how to install windows are probably in india or indiana.

in both cases the pay is probably around $40k with shit benefits and no chance for advancement and no status within the firm.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970143&forum_id=2#20883279)



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Date: June 13th, 2012 9:53 PM
Author: 1/2 Cents

So much wrong with this post.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970143&forum_id=2#20883288)



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Date: June 13th, 2012 9:54 PM
Author: Carl Spackler

explain

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970143&forum_id=2#20883295)



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Date: June 13th, 2012 9:57 PM
Author: 1/2 Cents

There's so many opportunities in IT.

There are people who handle purchasing, whether for desktop stuff or mobile products that usually fall under the IT umbrella. There are project management guys who handle migrations, deployments, desk moves.

There are AV guy if a company is big on events/displays etc.

There are guys who manage infrastructure

Telecom, and so on

None of those roles can be outsourced really, as they require an on site presence.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970143&forum_id=2#20883314)



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Date: June 13th, 2012 10:00 PM
Author: Carl Spackler

i'm well aware that there are a lot of opportunities in IT. i was specifically criticizing low-end shit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970143&forum_id=2#20883325)



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Date: June 13th, 2012 10:01 PM
Author: 1/2 Cents

The trick is to find a technology company that decides to handle its stuff internally rather than farming work out to contractors. Software companies are best.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970143&forum_id=2#20883338)



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Date: June 13th, 2012 10:02 PM
Author: " " " "

Not really. You can make bank as a contractor. Just roll your own health insurance

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970143&forum_id=2#20883343)



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Date: June 13th, 2012 10:05 PM
Author: 140k

and who is going to sponsor you to get those certifications without prior experience? do you have any idea what you're talking about?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970143&forum_id=2#20883353)



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Date: June 13th, 2012 10:05 PM
Author: " " " "

Yes

What is this sponsorship flame

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970143&forum_id=2#20883355)



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Date: June 13th, 2012 10:07 PM
Author: 140k

are you going to answer the question?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970143&forum_id=2#20883363)



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Date: June 13th, 2012 10:08 PM
Author: " " " "

Wtf are you talking about w sponsorship

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970143&forum_id=2#20883365)



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Date: June 13th, 2012 10:09 PM
Author: 140k

LOL ok why don't you tell me what you know about IT contracting and how people get into the business.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970143&forum_id=2#20883368)



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Date: June 13th, 2012 10:10 PM
Author: " " " "

No thanks. Name some certs requiring sponsorship

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970143&forum_id=2#20883373)



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Date: June 13th, 2012 10:11 PM
Author: 140k

Well since I gotta head out I'll start with two you might've heard of and let you think about it and research the subject on your own: SAP, Oracle.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970143&forum_id=2#20883390)



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Date: June 13th, 2012 10:13 PM
Author: " " " "

LOL you don't need sponsorship for those. Just do SAP-approved training retard

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970143&forum_id=2#20883404)



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Date: June 13th, 2012 10:14 PM
Author: 140k

Ok bro "just do SAP approved training"

and who is going to hire you as a contractor if you don't have the certifications for them? go find me a vendor that's willing to.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970143&forum_id=2#20883413)



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Date: June 13th, 2012 10:15 PM
Author: " " " "

You can get the certs by paying for training and taking tests. Why is this so difficult for you, FRIEND?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970143&forum_id=2#20883426)



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Date: June 13th, 2012 10:19 PM
Author: 140k

Date: June 13th, 2012 10:15 PM

Author: ,,.,,..,,,..,,.,.,,..,,,..,,.,.,.,..,.,.,.,,.,,.,.

You can get the certs by paying for training and taking tests. Why is this so difficult for you, FRIEND?

Ok since you want to play retard flame I'll be bait for a few minutes, you get the certifications by a company sending you to SAP in one of their 3 locations (assuming you're in north america) and once you're there you complete the week long course and take the test. You don't just pay a sum of money and show up to their training facilities, a company that has a relationship with SAP's ERP system usually pays for you to go to SAP and get trained. I'm guessing you were a poli sci shithead and hate what you're doing right now?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970143&forum_id=2#20883452)



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Date: June 13th, 2012 10:21 PM
Author: " " " "

No, you can pay for approved training wo company sponsorship.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970143&forum_id=2#20883466)



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Date: June 13th, 2012 10:22 PM
Author: 140k

Date: June 13th, 2012 10:21 PM

Author: ,,.,,..,,,..,,.,.,,..,,,..,,.,.,.,..,.,.,.,,.,,.,.

No, you can pay for approved training wo company sponsorship.

Lol well if you really believe you can do something, maybe you can.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970143&forum_id=2#20883474)



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Date: June 13th, 2012 10:27 PM
Author: " " " "

Just admit that you were wrong. There are many approved training providers. They're expensive, but sponsorship is not required.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970143&forum_id=2#20883514)



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Date: June 13th, 2012 10:28 PM
Author: 140k

in my career I've met 0 people that fit this description. Will I ever meet someone that pays 25k out of pocket to go to SAP training without a sponsorship and no promises of a contract from doing so? I don't know, maybe you'll be the first to do try it, let me know how it goes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970143&forum_id=2#20883533)



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Date: June 13th, 2012 10:32 PM
Author: " " " "

I'm already set. With your tiny pink 72k NYC salary, you must know what you're talking about

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970143&forum_id=2#20883565)



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Date: June 13th, 2012 10:33 PM
Author: 140k

try seattle for a major software company bro. It ain't too bad out here for my age.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970143&forum_id=2#20883575)



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Date: June 13th, 2012 9:45 PM
Author: 1/2 Cents

Desktop support is where it's at. Employable anywhere, great networking opportunities, and can't be outsourced.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970143&forum_id=2#20883222)



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Date: June 13th, 2012 9:52 PM
Author: Carl Spackler

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970143&forum_id=2#20883280)



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Date: June 13th, 2012 10:01 PM
Author: Senator R. Clayton "Clay" Davis (oh heartland up yours)

(HVAC troll)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970143&forum_id=2#20883336)



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Date: June 13th, 2012 9:52 PM
Author: 1/2 Cents

This conflating of software development and information systems is really weird. I never hear programmers refer to their profession as IT.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970143&forum_id=2#20883281)



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Date: June 13th, 2012 9:53 PM
Author: Carl Spackler

right right. i come from more of a business background so i lump it all together.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970143&forum_id=2#20883286)



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Date: June 13th, 2012 9:42 PM
Author: 1/2 Cents

I barely (BARELY) graduated high school, have zero college experience, and got hired at the IT department of a major company making 65k with benefits. At the age of 23.

Life is good my friend.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970143&forum_id=2#20883200)



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Date: June 13th, 2012 9:43 PM
Author: ....,,.,.,..,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,..

fuck you.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970143&forum_id=2#20883205)



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Date: June 13th, 2012 9:45 PM
Author: ;.,.;;.;;.,.;;;.,;.,.,..,.;;.;.;;.;.; ( )

do you live in san diego?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970143&forum_id=2#20883223)



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Date: June 13th, 2012 9:46 PM
Author: 1/2 Cents

NYC.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970143&forum_id=2#20883230)



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Date: June 13th, 2012 10:19 PM
Author: <('o'<)~~

At $65k/year, you'll never be able to retire in dignity.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970143&forum_id=2#20883456)



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Date: June 13th, 2012 10:22 PM
Author: 140k

get married. read about option trading. buy a house earlier rather than later.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970143&forum_id=2#20883467)



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Date: June 13th, 2012 10:42 PM
Author: 1/2 Cents

Raises, bro. Plus I get a nice bonus.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970143&forum_id=2#20883679)



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Date: June 13th, 2012 10:07 PM
Author: 140k

i have a college degree in finance but learned programming languages as a hobby and got hired into IT managing finance software deployments, build, and application testing making 72k currently 23 years old.

shit can be done, just have to be actually passionate about doing it and no just doing it for the sake of doing it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970143&forum_id=2#20883360)



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Date: June 13th, 2012 9:43 PM
Author: .,.,.,.,.,.,.,,..,.,.,.,.,.,,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.

clown question breh

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970143&forum_id=2#20883212)



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Date: June 13th, 2012 9:46 PM
Author: CarneyLansford

I support this meme.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970143&forum_id=2#20883227)



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Date: June 13th, 2012 10:47 PM
Author: PauliePorsche

with a JD and no experience, quite honestly you're on the same level as any other random shmuck with a college degree

Get to know people, just like any other industry. The handful of people who had JDs and made the transitions all did it through connections and not pedigree.

If you're looking to stay away from the heavy duty technical work, there's still a number of roles out there - sales, management, project management, etc. Mostly these require prior experience in those areas even if not IT.

Managing e-mail servers sounds like a complete SHIT job though and not interesting nor well paid at all. IT is an extremely broad field and managing e-mail servers sounds liek the shittiest of the shitty.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970143&forum_id=2#20883717)



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Date: June 13th, 2012 10:58 PM
Author: 1/2 Cents

it's mind numbing work. I worked the PM shift before and we managed servers because everyone else had gone home. Most mundane part of the day.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970143&forum_id=2#20883829)



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Date: June 13th, 2012 11:01 PM
Author: PauliePorsche

if you want an IT job to be at least somewhat interesting - stick to jobs which are project or applications based and NOT one where you're fixing other people's problems all the time.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970143&forum_id=2#20883856)



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Date: June 13th, 2012 11:03 PM
Author: 1/2 Cents

a large enough company would allow you to do all of that.

I do general troubleshooting and project based stuff.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970143&forum_id=2#20883879)



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Date: June 13th, 2012 11:04 PM
Author: PauliePorsche

yea i do a bit of both. I like the project stuff way more

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970143&forum_id=2#20883888)



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Date: June 13th, 2012 11:08 PM
Author: 1/2 Cents

I don't like project stuff because a lot of it involves relying on other teams within IT. Like we we began rolling out Windows 7, we found out desktop engineering created a SPS image. It's still giving us headaches.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970143&forum_id=2#20883925)



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Date: June 13th, 2012 11:10 PM
Author: Carl Spackler

i think PP is involved in stuff a little bit more sophisticated than rolling out a new desktop OS

edit: meant to respond to diabolical

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1970143&forum_id=2#20883953)