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Libs explain: US spends the MOST per capita on education
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Date: July 9th, 2012 9:04 AM
Why do you bemoan the amount of money that is spent on public education? Is it because liberalism is a mental disorder? |
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Date: July 9th, 2012 9:07 AM |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 1:38 AM |
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Date: July 9th, 2012 9:12 AM
What else is there? Low IQ of certain subgroups? |
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Date: July 9th, 2012 9:15 AM |
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Date: July 9th, 2012 9:34 AM |
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Date: July 9th, 2012 9:49 AM
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Date: July 9th, 2012 9:51 AM |
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Date: July 9th, 2012 9:53 AM |
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Date: July 9th, 2012 9:54 AM
Without a massive shift in the way most parents engage with their children's academics, we won't see much improvement. Academic success begins at home with the right mindset and supervision.
Note that Asian and Indian families are somehow able to massively out perform other cultures academically in this country. |
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Date: July 9th, 2012 10:02 AM
You would not have a long-running inequity amongst teachers in the private sector. Those schools that hired whites over equally competent blacks at double the wage would go broke in the free-market fairly quickly, especially as social norms change.
Moreover, the entire second bit of this further proves the issue with public systems. In whose interest is it to even bother keeping track of the quality of the teachers, the attrition rate of good math and science teachers, and then also trying to find a "competitive market-rate" for them? Who is going to do that out of the kindness of their heart? You get rid of the profit-incentive and all you are left with is a handful of people who actually want to do good work for the sake of it. The rest of the administrators are going to punch out without giving a shit about all that stuff. |
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Date: July 9th, 2012 10:17 AM |
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Date: July 9th, 2012 10:24 AM
There are shitloads of reasons why the current prison system (both "privatized" and public) are actually still public, but let us focus on the major difference between public v. private, INCENTIVES:
Who pays for prisoners to be kept?
Do you understand how you have the exact same problem as before with incentives since the gov't is paying for it? Look, it does not matter if the gov't goes out and hires 100 security guards, purchases a building and houses criminals inside or if it outsources the purchase and operations to a 3rd party. PAYMENT is still coming from the gov't. The lack of a connection between the payer and who the services are meant to benefit is the problem in public schools and is just as much a problem in "privatized" prisons. If you weren't such an idiot you would have realized this within a moments thought.
Why do you insist on opening your mouth in these matters? How many times do I have to utterly demolish you? |
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Date: July 9th, 2012 10:24 AM |
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Date: July 9th, 2012 10:29 AM
Look, in essence with the advent of "private" prisons, nothing has changed. When you had "public" prisons you still paid money to private actors (such as the guards, cooks, building construction, etc.), all that has changed with "private" prisons is that you are lump-summing the payment for that 3rd party to allocate instead of the gov't allocating itself to 3rd parties. The nature of the exchange is still the same: gov't paying 3rd party. |
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Date: July 9th, 2012 10:40 AM |
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Date: July 9th, 2012 10:42 AM
Describe specifically how it does that. |
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Date: July 9th, 2012 10:45 AM |
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Date: July 9th, 2012 10:51 AM |
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Date: July 9th, 2012 10:42 AM
Also, I am still waiting for an answer re: prisons. As is your typical MO, you try and weasel out. |
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Date: July 9th, 2012 10:46 AM |
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Date: July 9th, 2012 11:24 AM
Privatized schools, on the other hand, competing for disparate customers without contending with that same monopsony bargaining power will have very different incentives to perform and stay afloat than public schools do, which currently exist only so that teachers unions can automatically deduct dues from members' paychecks padded by federal subsidy. |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 1:37 PM |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 11:42 AM
Also because American culture is anti-intellectual. Parents don't want their kids working to develop cognitive skills. They'd rather teach them that God invented the Remington bolt action rifle on the 8th day of creation so that Man could hunt the dinosaurs. And the homosexuals. |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 11:43 AM |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 12:17 PM
Normally i would worry about censorship, but liberalism is a malignant cancer. |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 12:37 PM
However, they explicitly reject exposure to "critical thinking skills" that might "challeng[e] the student’s fixed beliefs" because they fear it will "undermin[e] parental authority" to teach kids that Satan planted dinosaur bones in the earth to test man's faith in the Bible.
Our country is TTT because the GOP is TTT. |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 2:24 PM |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 3:12 PM |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 3:44 PM France: 13.0% African
U.S.: 33rd place in education France: 18th place in education |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 9:08 PM |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 2:34 PM
You know, in particular the religion that only provided the foundation for all American values. |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 3:11 PM |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 3:14 PM |
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Date: July 9th, 2012 9:37 AM |
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Date: July 9th, 2012 9:39 AM
Also, teachers unions. Fuck them. |
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Date: July 9th, 2012 9:47 AM |
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Date: July 9th, 2012 10:39 AM for bad students (guess race?)
libs think you can fix everything with a little gubmint money to grease it up. that's why in SPS districts in NJ where the cost of education is approaching $30k per pupil they are doing so well. |
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Date: July 9th, 2012 10:42 AM |
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Date: July 9th, 2012 1:45 PM |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 1:50 AM |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 2:40 AM |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 2:41 AM |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 2:43 AM
LOLOLOLOLOLOLPWNED!!! |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 2:44 AM
oh, you didn't know? |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 12:03 PM
LOL @ America. |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 3:13 PM
1 Timor-Leste 16.80 2009
2 Cuba 13.60 2008
3 Lesotho 12.40 2008
4 Marshall Islands 12.00 2004
5 Maldives 11.20 2009
6 Saint Kitts and Nevis 9.60 2005
7 Moldova 9.60 2009
8 Botswana 8.90 2009
9 Djibouti 8.40 2007
10 Burundi 8.30 2009
11 Denmark 7.80 2007
12 Swaziland 7.80 2008
13 Comoros 7.60 2008
14 Iceland 7.40 2007
15 Tunisia 7.10 2007
16 Kenya 7.00 2006
17 Norway 6.80 2007
18 Tanzania 6.80 2008
19 Barbados 6.70 2009
20 Sweden 6.60 2007
21 Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 6.60 2009
22 Malta 6.40 2007
23 Namibia 6.40 2008
24 Costa Rica 6.30 2009
25 Bolivia 6.30 2006
26 Fiji 6.20 2004
27 New Zealand 6.10 2007
28 Guyana 6.10 2007
29 Belgium 6.00 2007
30 Israel 5.90 2007
31 Cape Verde 5.90 2009
32 Kyrgyzstan 5.90 2008
33 Finland 5.90 2007
34 Jamaica 5.80 2009
35 Senegal 5.80 2009
36 Belize 5.70 2008
37 Samoa 5.70 2008
38 Saudi Arabia 5.60 2008
39 Mongolia 5.60 2009
40 Morocco 5.60 2008
41 France 5.60 2007
42 Ethiopia 5.50 2007
43 United Kingdom 5.50 2007
44 United States 5.50 2007
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Date: July 10th, 2012 3:18 PM |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 3:27 PM |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 3:47 PM
- per capita in dollars
- per capita as % of GDP
I'll try to find the link where I saw this. |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 3:50 PM |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 12:02 PM |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 1:40 PM |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 1:41 PM |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 12:10 PM |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 1:34 PM
You utterly fail to realize that Americans hate education, unlike many of the other countries that succeed in education. You have politicians trashing "elites" and those who attend college. You have the GOP in Texas issuing an education policy that literally opposes the teaching of critical thinking skills because it might cause children not to blindly obey their parents. You have idiots who are pushing for the teaching of "intelligent design" in American science classes. More dumbasses are demanding that public money should be issued as vouchers that can be spent in predominantly religious private institutions.
Most of the morons causing most of the problems with education are conservatards. Then they look at the problems with the system, which they caused, and say that we should just stop funding public education. So what's their alternative? |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 1:37 PM |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 1:45 PM |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 1:48 PM |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 1:52 PM
And as long as those madrassas and yeshivas are not promoting violence and destruction and a disrespect for the rule of law, then sure, why not. That's the parents' prerogative. If a Catholic school or any school has instances of nonconsensual sex abuse, the perpetrator should be prosecuted, and the school investigated for the adequacy of supervision and hiring policies, as an additional disincentive or fail-safe to parents likely pulling their kids out of that school once news surfaces. |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 3:06 PM |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 3:10 PM |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 3:13 PM
So you're okay with everyone running off into madrassas and yeshivas. How the fuck is it a strawman when it is exactly what you're saying, you retarded dumbfuck? |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 3:19 PM |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 1:44 PM |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 1:47 PM
Our children need to be able to decide what kind of country they want America to be. Shielding them and preventing them from thinking is not going to help them. |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 1:49 PM |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 1:52 PM |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 2:04 PM
It wasn't just the facts, there was a ton of spin against America and never any highlighting of the positive aspects of anything that was done, just a big sob story about the negatives. |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 3:16 PM |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 1:43 PM
But yeah, lets pay these fuckers more. That will solve the NIQ problem. |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 1:51 PM |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 1:44 PM |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 1:50 PM
On page 12, under "Knowledge-based Education":
“We oppose the teaching of Higher Order Thinking Skills (HOTS) (values clarification), critical thinking skills and similar programs that are simply a relabeling of Outcome-Based Education (OBE) (mastery learning) which focus on behavior modification and have the purpose of challenging the student’s fixed beliefs and undermining parental authority.”
I sit in wait for my pwning. |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 1:56 PM |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 2:36 PM |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 2:38 PM
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doublespeak |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 2:58 PM |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 3:02 PM
The GOP opposes critical thinking skills because it causes you to question authority. What the fuck do you think they mean? |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 3:04 PM |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 3:07 PM
Why is challenging the student's fixed beliefs and undermining parental authority a bad thing? The student should learn to think for himself. |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 3:15 PM
OBE has been discontinued around the world in most places where it was implemented. |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 3:17 PM |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 3:20 PM |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 2:14 PM
Are they sitting down and telling little kids to question what their parents say? That would make me incredibly pissed. |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 2:38 PM |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 3:01 PM |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 9:06 PM |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 3:08 PM |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 3:09 PM
The GOP does not want you to challenge anyone's beliefs. Explain that. |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 3:12 PM |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 3:22 PM |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 3:22 PM |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 3:06 PM |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 2:06 PM
Fuck yourself you ignorant wannabe Frenchman Americunt faggot. |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 2:40 PM |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 7:10 PM
You stupid, dozy shit. |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 1:52 PM
Private School costs are following higher education costs. My private High School costs twice as much now than it did when I was there, and I graduated less than a decade ago.
You know how much it would cost if everyone got a school voucher? Exactly what it costs now PLUS whatever a school voucher covers. It wouldn't draw in any new students.
Vouchers are fucking scam. You're just going to get a bunch of "private" schools that spring up to make money off of them and they're going to suck balls. It's also just nonsense to get the gov to subsidize fundie schools. |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 2:01 PM |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 2:16 PM |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 2:56 PM
Charters absolutely are. Watch Waiting for Superman.
It is physically impossible at a state-run school to: - create any coherent sense of law and order, culture of respect (both for authority and peers), intellectual curiosity, and hard work. Charter schools largely succeed because they can have longer school days, uniforms, stricter behavioral rules, etc. David Brooks makes good points here in The Social Animal. - fire a teacher. There was literally a case in NY recently in which a lesbo nigger teacher had had sexual harassment complaints filed against her multiple times. The school COULD NOT fire her because she had unionized tenure. Teacher tenure is the most buttfucking retarded system I can possibly imagine. It's bad enough at the higher education level, but TENURE for high school teachers, simply based on the number of years you've managed to pass a handful of niggers through your recycled lesson plan? Holy fucking shit. They need to run it like a goddamn business. Hire the best people, pay them well, fire them if they don't perform, hire someone better. It's not that fucking complicated. - be flexible in curricula and technology. It would absolutely be better to literally sell every. single. textbook. in the ENTIRE public education system, take the money, buy a 1st or 2nd gen used iPad for every student, and assign Khan Academy for homework every night. Only a charter school can make decisions like this fast enough to keep pace with the modern world.
tl;dr our public education system was created in the industrial age to mirror an assembly line. 2012 is not the fucking industrial age. Keep the little fuckers in line, but create a dynamic environment that allows them to master the basics at their own pace while exploring their personal interests. |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 2:59 PM |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 3:00 PM |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 3:03 PM |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 3:08 PM
You're not being a very good shitlib by supporting them. |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 3:09 PM |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 3:13 PM
But just because it should be publicly funded doesn't mean it should be publicly governed. Bureaucracy is the death of efficiency. Give them the fucking money and then take your hands off. |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 3:01 PM
if they have to become part of that whole mess just in order to expel students, then nothing much would change at all.
in any case, you can only teach the students you actually have, and in some places, the "human capital" is not that great, and the structure of the school is more or less irrelevant to overall performance. |
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and teacher unions are the single most important reason charters >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> state-run |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 3:07 PM
but again, a charter school can't magically take some kid with an IQ in the low/middle-80's and turn him into a future doctor/chemist/whatever. the best a charter school can do is help those kids reach whatever the potential of an 83 IQ happens to be, which unfortunately isn't that much. |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 3:09 PM
b) sure, but they can turn the kid into a respectable, well-behaved 83 IQ who can graduate and hold down a decent job. You realize the dropout rate at many public HSs is well over 50% now? The men go straight into crime, and the women intentionally get knocked up to score a bigger welfare check. |
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Date: July 10th, 2012 3:23 PM
and the fact that thousands upon thousands of hoodrat girls actually want a baby just for the extra cash is behavior straight out of the third world. |
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