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Biggest Mistake of WW2: Hitler fuckin invades Russia

violates the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact
slim_shady_man  08/01/12
Not that I disagree, but his whole goal was eastward expansi...
,...,,.,.,,, , , .. ,,.,.,,...,,.,.,,,..,.,  08/01/12
They thought that the Soviets were intending to attack them ...
aussies are alpha  08/01/12
This is exactly right. Hitler believed Stalin was buying ti...
.,.,...,..,.,.,:,.:......,:::,..,:,...:..:.,:.::,  08/01/12
cr. Hitler fucked up though by assisting the Italians in Gre...
Alexander the Gay  08/01/12
cr
.,.,,..,..,.,.,:,,:,...,::,...,:,.,.:....:.,:.::,.  08/01/12
ran here to post this.
.,.,,..,.,,.,.,:,,:,...,:::,...,:,.,.:...:.,:.::  08/02/12
He didn't listen to his best generals and shuffled them arou...
Proledrift  08/01/12
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinhard_Heydrich read how ...
slim_shady_man  08/01/12
one of his nicknames was "the young evil god of death&q...
.,.,,..,..,.,..,:,,:,;.,,:::,...,:,.,.:...:.,:.::,  08/02/12
it's not that easy, Hitler listened to his generals plenty e...
lolcats4eva  08/01/12
If Hitler hadn't intervened to divert German forces to the e...
aussies are alpha  08/01/12
That certainly slowed things down, but then again, you can't...
Nomme de Queef  08/02/12
Lots of people say it was a decision to shift away from bomb...
texasLawlz (no longer a member of t14)  08/01/12
explain this hitler guy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinhar...
slim_shady_man  08/01/12
The original objective of the Battle of Britain was not to b...
aussies are alpha  08/01/12
They bombed London because they could do that at night. Day ...
texasLawlz (no longer a member of t14)  08/01/12
I don't disagree with you but there are three stages to the ...
aussies are alpha  08/01/12
nvmd, reread your post
,.,,,;,..,;,;,.,,.,;:.;:;:,..,...,:,.,;::,;...,..  08/01/12
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slim_shady_man  08/02/12
Operation Sealion was never going to work anyway. Even with...
Nomme de Queef  08/02/12
biggest mistake of most wars: trying to invade russia
.....,,,,...,,.,.,.,.,.,,,  08/01/12
Explain Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, brother.
slim_shady_man  08/01/12
preemptive strike and don't talk shit about world leaders
lisa rowe  08/01/12
Not stopping after Poland.
,.,,,;,..,;,;,.,,.,;:.;:;:,..,...,:,.,;::,;...,..  08/01/12
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wannsee_Conference How distu...
slim_shady_man  08/01/12
I was just saying that at that point, most of the European p...
,.,,,;,..,;,;,.,,.,;:.;:;:,..,...,:,.,;::,;...,..  08/01/12
They could've negotiated a peace with Britain/US even after ...
lolcats4eva  08/01/12
Possibly, but I have my doubts that the Allied Powers would ...
,.,,,;,..,;,;,.,,.,;:.;:;:,..,...,:,.,;::,;...,..  08/01/12
The British were not minded to make peace after the fall of ...
aussies are alpha  08/01/12
Can you explain this guy in a short sentence ?>>>ht...
slim_shady_man  08/01/12
alpha?
,.,,,;,..,;,;,.,,.,;:.;:;:,..,...,:,.,;::,;...,..  08/01/12
Historians regard him as the darkest figure within the Nazi ...
slim_shady_man  08/01/12
Historians will regard your schtick as SHIT PURE SHIT
,.,,,;,..,;,;,.,,.,;:.;:;:,..,...,:,.,;::,;...,..  08/01/12
I'm pissed Jews survived.
froodfrood  08/01/12
rate him on a scale of brutality.
slim_shady_man  08/01/12
Russia was going to attack Germany. There were massive stock...
...........,........,,,,,,,,.,,,,  08/02/12
rounding up the local jews was a big part of why the nazis w...
.,.,,..,.,,.,.,:,,:,...,:::,...,:,.,.:...:.,:.::  08/02/12


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Date: August 1st, 2012 9:44 AM
Author: slim_shady_man

violates the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2011166&forum_id=2#21230959)



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Date: August 1st, 2012 10:03 AM
Author: ,...,,.,.,,, , , .. ,,.,.,,...,,.,.,,,..,.,

Not that I disagree, but his whole goal was eastward expansion. He was only at war with uk and france because they were trying to stop that. What else could germany have done? Perhaps waited for uk to fall? But he risked russia getting even stronger in the interim.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2011166&forum_id=2#21231034)



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Date: August 1st, 2012 10:17 AM
Author: aussies are alpha

They thought that the Soviets were intending to attack them sooner or later (a view for which I believe there is quite a lot of evidence) so tried to get in first and catch the Sovs unprepared. It almost worked.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2011166&forum_id=2#21231101)



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Date: August 1st, 2012 10:42 AM
Author: .,.,...,..,.,.,:,.:......,:::,..,:,...:..:.,:.::,

This is exactly right. Hitler believed Stalin was buying time to ready an offensive against him.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2011166&forum_id=2#21231248)



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Date: August 1st, 2012 7:01 PM
Author: Alexander the Gay

cr. Hitler fucked up though by assisting the Italians in Greece, which delays his invasion plans until the winter. And you can't invade russia in the winter.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2011166&forum_id=2#21235292)



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Date: August 1st, 2012 11:12 AM
Author: .,.,,..,..,.,.,:,,:,...,::,...,:,.,.:....:.,:.::,.

cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2011166&forum_id=2#21231448)



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Date: August 2nd, 2012 10:09 AM
Author: .,.,,..,.,,.,.,:,,:,...,:::,...,:,.,.:...:.,:.::

ran here to post this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2011166&forum_id=2#21239692)



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Date: August 1st, 2012 10:20 AM
Author: Proledrift

He didn't listen to his best generals and shuffled them around too much when they disagreed with him. Guderian could have won the war if he wasn't hamstrung by a petulant boy soldier fuhrer.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2011166&forum_id=2#21231119)



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Date: August 1st, 2012 10:21 AM
Author: slim_shady_man

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinhard_Heydrich

read how creepy the last sentence is

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2011166&forum_id=2#21231124)



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Date: August 2nd, 2012 10:27 AM
Author: .,.,,..,..,.,..,:,,:,;.,,:::,...,:,.,.:...:.,:.::,

one of his nicknames was "the young evil god of death"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2011166&forum_id=2#21239822)



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Date: August 1st, 2012 10:35 AM
Author: lolcats4eva

it's not that easy, Hitler listened to his generals plenty early on during the russian invasion. The generals fucked up as well. And if Hitler hadn't overruled his generals and made the army entrench (rather than withdraw) during the first winter, the Russian counter attack would've been far more devastating and would've thrown the invasion back right then and there.

The point is mistakes are made constantly in war. You can't say that Germany could've easily won if blah blah blah had happened, because you could do the same thing with Russian - they killed off all their experienced officer corp before the war; they decided to stand their ground in the initial phases which led to massive encirclements and loss of major army groups...if the Russians hadn't made those mistakes they would've won even more handily, etc..

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2011166&forum_id=2#21231206)



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Date: August 1st, 2012 10:48 AM
Author: aussies are alpha

If Hitler hadn't intervened to divert German forces to the encirclement at Kiev then they probably would have captured Moscow before winter set in. Whether that would have been enough to knock the Soviets out of the war is unknown.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2011166&forum_id=2#21231280)



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Date: August 2nd, 2012 10:07 AM
Author: Nomme de Queef

That certainly slowed things down, but then again, you can't blame the Germans for not wanting 600,000 Russians straddling their already tenuous supply lines. When you attack a country head on like that your supply lines get longer while theirs get shorter.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2011166&forum_id=2#21239669)



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Date: August 1st, 2012 10:28 AM
Author: texasLawlz (no longer a member of t14)

Lots of people say it was a decision to shift away from bombing radar towers to bombing London's civilians with light/medium bombers.

The Germans never had the bombers large enough to bomb London into submission the way the B-17 could. Their only chance was to bomb London with repeatedly and with few casualties, something they couldn't do as long as the RAF and AA gunners had a 15-minute warning about when and were the Germans were coming.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2011166&forum_id=2#21231152)



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Date: August 1st, 2012 10:28 AM
Author: slim_shady_man

explain this hitler guy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinhard_Heydrich

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2011166&forum_id=2#21231157)



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Date: August 1st, 2012 10:31 AM
Author: aussies are alpha

The original objective of the Battle of Britain was not to bomb Britain into submission but to destroy the RAF. It was only with air superiority over the Channel that the Germans could counteract British naval superiority and carry out a seaborne invasion.

When the Germans got distracted from destroying the RAF and started petulantly bombing London they lost.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2011166&forum_id=2#21231179)



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Date: August 1st, 2012 10:36 AM
Author: texasLawlz (no longer a member of t14)

They bombed London because they could do that at night. Day bombing never worked because the RAF knew they were coming via radar.

Take out the radar stations and the Germans engage the RAF as they're taking off rather than mid-air.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2011166&forum_id=2#21231209)



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Date: August 1st, 2012 10:43 AM
Author: aussies are alpha

I don't disagree with you but there are three stages to the Luftwaffe's campaign:

- the original aim to destroy the RAF by taking out airfields, radar stations and command and control and by selectively bombing targets such as teh Spitfire factories that the RAF would have to defend

- the switch to day bombing London

- the switch to night bombing London

It was going from number 1 to 2 that was the fatal error. Night bombing was far less effective than day bombing and accomplished even less.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2011166&forum_id=2#21231256)



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Date: August 1st, 2012 10:39 AM
Author: ,.,,,;,..,;,;,.,,.,;:.;:;:,..,...,:,.,;::,;...,..

nvmd, reread your post

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2011166&forum_id=2#21231230)



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Date: August 2nd, 2012 9:36 AM
Author: slim_shady_man



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2011166&forum_id=2#21239496)



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Date: August 2nd, 2012 10:08 AM
Author: Nomme de Queef

Operation Sealion was never going to work anyway. Even with the RAF destroyed the Royal Navy would have stopped any amphibious invasion

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2011166&forum_id=2#21239683)



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Date: August 1st, 2012 10:31 AM
Author: .....,,,,...,,.,.,.,.,.,,,

biggest mistake of most wars: trying to invade russia

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2011166&forum_id=2#21231181)



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Date: August 1st, 2012 10:35 AM
Author: slim_shady_man

Explain Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, brother.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2011166&forum_id=2#21231200)



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Date: August 1st, 2012 10:36 AM
Author: lisa rowe

preemptive strike and don't talk shit about world leaders

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2011166&forum_id=2#21231212)



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Date: August 1st, 2012 10:36 AM
Author: ,.,,,;,..,;,;,.,,.,;:.;:;:,..,...,:,.,;::,;...,..

Not stopping after Poland.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2011166&forum_id=2#21231215)



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Date: August 1st, 2012 10:39 AM
Author: slim_shady_man

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wannsee_Conference

How disturbing is this Nazi conference to you?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2011166&forum_id=2#21231233)



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Date: August 1st, 2012 10:42 AM
Author: ,.,,,;,..,;,;,.,,.,;:.;:;:,..,...,:,.,;::,;...,..

I was just saying that at that point, most of the European powers were willing to concede Poland to appease Germany. Had Hitler just called it a day he would have significantly expanded Germany's borders with relatively little effort.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2011166&forum_id=2#21231250)



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Date: August 1st, 2012 10:46 AM
Author: lolcats4eva

They could've negotiated a peace with Britain/US even after France fell. Then Hitler could've consolidated gains in Western Europe, then fought the Russians with more troops/preparation.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2011166&forum_id=2#21231273)



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Date: August 1st, 2012 10:49 AM
Author: ,.,,,;,..,;,;,.,,.,;:.;:;:,..,...,:,.,;::,;...,..

Possibly, but I have my doubts that the Allied Powers would have allowed France to stay under Hitler's thumb

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2011166&forum_id=2#21231290)



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Date: August 1st, 2012 10:50 AM
Author: aussies are alpha

The British were not minded to make peace after the fall of France see Churchill, Winston. The Nazi's made peace feelers but they got summarily rejected because Churchill wasn't willing to concede Europe to the Nazi's. His strategy was to hang on till the cousins across the Atlantic joined in which would pretty much guarantee eventual Allied victory.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2011166&forum_id=2#21231296)



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Date: August 1st, 2012 10:49 AM
Author: slim_shady_man

Can you explain this guy in a short sentence ?>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinhard_Heydrich

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2011166&forum_id=2#21231289)



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Date: August 1st, 2012 10:50 AM
Author: ,.,,,;,..,;,;,.,,.,;:.;:;:,..,...,:,.,;::,;...,..

alpha?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2011166&forum_id=2#21231292)



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Date: August 1st, 2012 10:52 AM
Author: slim_shady_man

Historians regard him as the darkest figure within the Nazi elite; Adolf Hitler christened him "the man with the iron heart".[4] He was the founding head of the Sicherheitsdienst (SD), an intelligence organisation tasked with seeking out and neutralising resistance to the Nazi Party via arrests, deportations, and killings. He helped organize Kristallnacht, a series of co-ordinated attacks against Jews throughout Nazi Germany and parts of Austria on 9–10 November 1938.

Fuckin disturbing, no?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2011166&forum_id=2#21231304)



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Date: August 1st, 2012 10:52 AM
Author: ,.,,,;,..,;,;,.,,.,;:.;:;:,..,...,:,.,;::,;...,..

Historians will regard your schtick as SHIT PURE SHIT

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2011166&forum_id=2#21231306)



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Date: August 1st, 2012 11:11 AM
Author: froodfrood ( )

I'm pissed Jews survived.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2011166&forum_id=2#21231435)



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Date: August 1st, 2012 11:13 AM
Author: slim_shady_man

rate him on a scale of brutality.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2011166&forum_id=2#21231458)



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Date: August 2nd, 2012 10:06 AM
Author: ...........,........,,,,,,,,.,,,,

Russia was going to attack Germany. There were massive stockpiles of weapons and supplies along the border, which Germany took when they attacked first. If they had waited and let Russia attack first, Germany would have lost the war even sooner.

The way for Germany to have won the war, would have been to not fucking gas all their jews. Many think they would have gotten the nuclear bomb first, tehre were other potential scidentific advancements, plus the morale hit for the soldiers who knew about the camps wasn't exactly helpful.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2011166&forum_id=2#21239658)



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Date: August 2nd, 2012 10:11 AM
Author: .,.,,..,.,,.,.,:,,:,...,:::,...,:,.,.:...:.,:.::

rounding up the local jews was a big part of why the nazis were welcomed in many of the territories they occupied. 'the morale hit for the soldiers who knew about the camps' lol bitch u dumb.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2011166&forum_id=2#21239706)