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A 180 plan for welfare reform
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Date: August 8th, 2012 4:58 PM
2. Homes will be inspected monthly. All flat-screen TV's, cell phones, audio equipment, and Jordan shoes will be confiscated and sold, with the proceeds applied toward the public good. Failure to maintain one's home in good and clean condition = cut off.
3. Every week, recipients will report to the welfare office and show a current pay stub or job application. Failure to show these papers = cut off.
4. Food stamps will be replaced with bulk beans and rice. You want to have Ding-Dongs and Ho-Hos? Use your own money.
5. Recipients will submit to monthly drug tests. If I have to piss in a cup in order to earn my own money, then you better do the same if you want to take my money from me.
Before you ACLU types complain that I'm violating people's "rights," remember that all of the above is voluntary. If you don't want to comply, then you can earn your own money. But if you're going to take MY money, I can at least insist that you be forced to make better choices, so you'll better yourself and not end up in that position again. |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:00 PM |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:17 PM 2. somewhat agree in principle but not worth the money to administer 3. yes 4. no. this is appalling. 5. yes |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:19 PM
Keep in mind that food stamps are actually called SNAP: Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program. There is zero "nutrition" in Twinkies, soda, etc. |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:22 PM
there are already limitations on what you can buy with SNAP benefits. unfortunately it includes junk food and soda but it excludes fast food. |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:24 PM
And I'm not saying food assistance recipients must eat only beans and rice. They can have whatever "extras" they want, as long as they pay for them.
Really, I'm being more than fair here. |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:36 PM |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 6:07 PM |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 6:30 PM
2. Reduce entitlement spending |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 7:05 PM
a lot of this shit already is in place. the real offenders find workarounds and the ones who get tossed off are the people who are on it temporarily. |
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Date: August 9th, 2012 11:14 AM |
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Date: August 9th, 2012 12:11 PM
or wait, maybe there is some other ghetto industry with no qualms about hiring 8 year olds? |
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Date: August 9th, 2012 12:09 PM
- Not spend money on tattoos, tvs, drugs
- actively search for jobs
fucking shitlibs |
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Date: August 9th, 2012 12:12 PM |
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Date: August 9th, 2012 3:39 PM |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:02 PM |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:46 PM
Ford Focus + 2 bedroom/1 Bath Duplex for families of 4 or smaller. |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 6:06 PM |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:03 PM |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:04 PM |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:09 PM |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 6:04 PM |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:47 PM |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:07 PM |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:08 PM |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:10 PM |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:12 PM |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:14 PM |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:17 PM |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 7:06 PM |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:10 PM |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:11 PM |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:14 PM |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:12 PM |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:16 PM |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:16 PM
Also, the people would have a lot more incentive to improve their skills and get more productive jobs. |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 7:07 PM |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 7:14 PM |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 7:29 PM
please describe what you believe the average welfare recipient is like. |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 7:34 PM |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 7:37 PM |
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Date: August 9th, 2012 12:09 PM |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:11 PM
Will the following policies be implemented for people receiving govt. scholarships and grants? |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:13 PM
As for "govt. scholarships" do you want to be more specific? Is this fed or state? Merit-based or AA? |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:19 PM |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:23 PM
I wish we lived still in a time when people were ashamed to accept anything besides a handshake and a home-cooked meal. |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:28 PM |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 7:07 PM |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:23 PM |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:29 PM |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:26 PM |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:30 PM |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:38 PM |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 11:15 PM |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 11:15 PM |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:29 PM |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:30 PM |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:30 PM
"ITT: people who never had the indignity of using food stamps before they were plastic cards"
There SHOULD be a stigma in using food stamps. By replacing paper food stamps with debit-style cards, we take away some of the incentive for people to better themselves. (I will admit the plastic cards are probably easier to administer.)
I worry that we're slowly turning the "safety net" into a hammock. |
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Date: August 9th, 2012 8:47 PM |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:21 PM |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:34 PM |
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Date: August 9th, 2012 1:20 PM |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:24 PM |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:25 PM |
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Date: August 9th, 2012 11:23 AM
i think people miss this aspect of purpose of the social welfare's system: it helps decrease the odds that a livid underclass will behead the people posting "YEAH LET THEM MUTHAFUCKIN POORS EAT BEANS/CAKE" ITT. PSA: there are more of them than there are of you. |
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Date: August 9th, 2012 8:32 PM |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:28 PM |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:31 PM |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:36 PM |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 6:49 PM |
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Date: August 12th, 2012 2:23 AM |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:36 PM |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:33 PM |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:36 PM |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:37 PM |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:42 PM |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:46 PM |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:47 PM
180 |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:34 PM
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:30 PM
I knew a guy with a wife and two kids (under four) in law school. His family got free health care with no copays, utilities paid for (including internet) and $640 a month in food stamps.
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Date: August 12th, 2012 9:52 AM |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:32 PM |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:35 PM
Ok, so the fiscal conservative extreme position sucks, but so does the current situation.
Do you really support food stamp cards being used at Papa Murphy's pizza? |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:50 PM
ITT clueless dickheads who think their armchair policy wisdom will cure our nations ills |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:54 PM
Many states allow this because it isn't a "prepared food" dealer because you take the pizza home to bake it. It's like a frozen pizza
It sounds stupid, because it is. But it's true.
Don't jump to conclusions like a stubborn jack ass.
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:58 PM |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:59 PM
I guess if you're a business owner, you don't turn away any money that comes in the door, but man, I'd be embarrassed if I were helping people waste taxpayer dollars.
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Date: August 8th, 2012 6:05 PM |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 6:22 PM |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 6:22 PM |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:37 PM
If anything, my plan is more compassionate than what we're doing today. I'm only trying to give people a hand up, not a handout. |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 7:10 PM |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:41 PM
I'll assume that you threw in the constituion for good measure without any idea what you are talking about. |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:44 PM |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:45 PM |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 6:54 PM |
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Date: August 9th, 2012 12:04 PM
compare and contrast that plan to your own. |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:41 PM |
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Date: August 9th, 2012 11:36 AM |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:48 PM
Hopefully they get cell phone plan assistance too. |
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Date: August 12th, 2012 9:55 AM |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 5:52 PM |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 6:20 PM So, instead of a system that arguably allocates some share of money to the undeserving, OP's system is a bloated, expensive administrative body that allocates money to almost no one. |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 6:42 PM
That's the point. We need to help people work their way off the welfare rolls. |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 6:55 PM |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 7:12 PM |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 7:12 PM |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 7:14 PM |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 7:17 PM |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 7:32 PM |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 7:33 PM |
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Date: August 12th, 2012 2:22 AM |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 7:10 PM |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 7:03 PM |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 7:12 PM |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 7:16 PM
Weekly meetings put onus on the welfare recipients to take responsibility. Again, doing so saves more than it costs.
Drug tests would cost around 50cents per administration, at most a few dollars. Worth spending a little to prevent spending legitimate money on poor people's drug use.
Monthly home visits you might be right about.
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Date: August 8th, 2012 7:24 PM ~30 million americans receive some sort of welfare. So we're shelling out $15,000,000 a month ($180,000,000 a year) on the tests alone. Does that figure include the cost of the people who process/record the results of roughly 1 million tests per DAY? |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 7:27 PM |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 7:31 PM brb going to plan and implement a nationwide welfare asset-seizure rimz-n-flatscreenz auction bonanza |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 9:02 PM |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 9:31 PM |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 7:12 PM
what this does it make it harder for the majority of people on welfare, who use it temporarily and actually need it. |
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Date: August 9th, 2012 11:26 AM |
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Date: August 9th, 2012 3:05 PM |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 7:18 PM
op sounds like he's just had his first econ 101 class. |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 7:25 PM |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 7:39 PM |
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Date: August 9th, 2012 12:03 PM |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 9:26 PM
A shitty prepaid costs like $50 for the unit + whatever u use per month. It actually might make lots of sense for a poor person to have a cell if they are job-hunting or need to be available while job hunting/at work for emergencies if they have a kid, or something.
also flatscreens? those don't cost much. can u even buy a CRT in a store these days? lol.
And no audio equipment? Um wtf? You gonna confiscate people's radios? And if you think "oh i only meant people's super-overpriced stereo systems" maybe specify that, instead of super-general "audio equipment." That's like saying you're going to take all their "telecommunications devices."
I'm not remotely lib in my politics (really the opposite) but this is just silly.
either we should give poors X charity (food stamps, money, whatever), and realize that lots of them will use it in ways we don't think are best, or we shouldn't give them X charity (I'd go with the second option in most cases, with exception if there are innocent kids of poors involved).
But this trying to micromanage their lives thing isn't a good approach, and especially not according to these incredibly shitty and arbitrary standards. |
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Date: August 8th, 2012 9:53 PM |
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Date: August 9th, 2012 8:56 AM |
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Date: August 9th, 2012 11:17 AM |
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Date: August 9th, 2012 11:20 AM |
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Date: August 9th, 2012 12:08 PM |
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Date: August 12th, 2012 3:48 AM |
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Date: August 9th, 2012 11:30 AM
Most people on here seem to support an intrusive government search, not on the basis of probable cause, but on the basis of employment.
The idea that unemployment insurance is covered by worker premiums is a bit of a farce, but most people who collect unemployment did pay something into the system in the form of insurance premiums.
And I don't buy the "private employers drug test employees" argument, since private employers virtually never trigger the 4th amendment.
If private employers don't want their drug-using employees collecting unemployment, they should document drug tests and fire for cause which (sometimes) makes the fired person ineligible for benefits.
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Date: August 9th, 2012 12:05 PM |
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Date: August 9th, 2012 1:22 PM |
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Date: August 9th, 2012 3:33 PM |
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Date: August 9th, 2012 3:53 PM
if you want to help out poors, here's two simple things you can do:
1) school goes year round.
2) end the war on drugs. |
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Date: August 9th, 2012 4:46 PM |
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Date: August 9th, 2012 4:50 PM
people who really want to cheat the system will cheat the system no matter how hard you make it for them.
on second thought you must be flame. |
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Date: August 9th, 2012 7:11 PM
That's why a good drug test requires visual observation of the piss going into the cup.
What are you, some kind of low-IQ shtick? |
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Date: August 12th, 2012 4:57 AM |
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Date: August 10th, 2012 9:14 AM |
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Date: August 10th, 2012 1:58 PM |
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Date: August 12th, 2012 1:53 AM |
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Date: August 12th, 2012 4:58 AM
The first point is by far the most controversial but the only one that would make a huge difference (sterilization of poors). The stuff about tats/piercings is just stupid. I would like to go further myself and give free abortions along with a $100 voucher to Walmart that a woman could get once per year. |