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What's the best definition of "middle-class"? Six figure income?
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Date: August 12th, 2012 2:26 PM Author: painfully honest space (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2021756&forum_id=2#21320680) |
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Date: August 13th, 2012 11:04 AM Author: Shimmering Beta Jap (Willard M. Romney) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2021756&forum_id=2#21327239) |
Date: August 12th, 2012 2:27 PM Author: Nubile violent partner lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2021756&forum_id=2#21320684) |
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Date: August 13th, 2012 10:44 AM Author: exciting market (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2021756&forum_id=2#21327110) |
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Date: August 12th, 2012 2:27 PM Author: Alcoholic Really Tough Guy well then fuck we're a nation full of proles given median income is like 22k a year (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2021756&forum_id=2#21320688) |
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Date: August 12th, 2012 2:27 PM Author: rebellious giraffe Thereabouts. And only one vacation home. They only take a foreign vacation once every 2 years. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2021756&forum_id=2#21320690) |
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Date: August 12th, 2012 2:29 PM Author: Alcoholic Really Tough Guy honestly tho i know someone with a household income of about 110k a year, they're not living well at all. think they bought more house than they could afford tho. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2021756&forum_id=2#21320698) |
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Date: August 12th, 2012 2:30 PM Author: Nubile violent partner Can't tell if this is flame or not. If not, you have absolutely no idea what real middle-class America lives like. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2021756&forum_id=2#21320705) |
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Date: August 12th, 2012 2:32 PM Author: rebellious giraffe If you're serious then you should take a look at the stats. The median income for a working age person (18-65) is 26k, according to US tax returns. Of course some people earn unreported income (waiters etc) but I'm doubtful the true number is above 30k or so. The median income household (includes households with more than one earner) is about 49k. A household earning 110k is easily in the top 10%. I think 1% starts at about 350k or so. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2021756&forum_id=2#21320728) |
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Date: August 12th, 2012 2:36 PM Author: Alcoholic Really Tough Guy yeah i realize this, note my post above, just saying 100k probably feels middle classish once you factor in a kid and a mortgage. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2021756&forum_id=2#21320765) |
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Date: August 12th, 2012 2:48 PM Author: Hyperventilating milky fanboi hall Why should the 91st percentile be considered part of a different class than the 60th if there isn't a significant lifestyle difference? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2021756&forum_id=2#21320851) |
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Date: August 12th, 2012 2:54 PM Author: rebellious giraffe I don't necessarily disagree with you. The American wage structure is one of compression for the vast majority of people with a giant chasm to the 1 percent and another giant chasm to the .1%. This is why OWS, despite their general cluelessness, is correct in saying that the 99% (which includes a biglaw associate) have a lot more in common than they sometimes care to admit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2021756&forum_id=2#21320900) |
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Date: August 12th, 2012 2:31 PM Author: burgundy native sweet tailpipe this is obviously wrong
edit: good flame |
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Date: August 12th, 2012 2:29 PM Author: Aquamarine Insecure Boistinker Turdskin (xo poaster) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2021756&forum_id=2#21320704) |
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Date: August 12th, 2012 2:30 PM Author: adventurous juggernaut den 100k in MFH. 40-60k in most places. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2021756&forum_id=2#21320707) |
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Date: August 12th, 2012 2:31 PM Author: Nubile violent partner It's so dumb when people post this.
PROTIP: If you live in the most expensive urban area in America, you are not middle class. |
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Date: August 12th, 2012 2:32 PM Author: Deep brindle plaza hominid (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2021756&forum_id=2#21320729) |
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Date: August 12th, 2012 2:33 PM Author: Hyperventilating milky fanboi hall That's fucking retarded. Are you saying project minorities in harlem with no disposable income are upper class? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2021756&forum_id=2#21320739) |
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Date: August 12th, 2012 2:33 PM Author: adventurous juggernaut den If you say so. Fact is, a person making 100k in MFH has a lower standard of living that people making much less in other places. Plus, a 100k salary in MFH is likely not transferable to some cheaper place. So the guy making 50k elsewhere might make 100k in MFH and vice versa. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2021756&forum_id=2#21320740) |
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Date: August 12th, 2012 2:35 PM Author: Blathering nursing home yeah, it's like saying everyone in the UK is rich because of the exchange rate. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2021756&forum_id=2#21320747) |
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Date: August 12th, 2012 2:37 PM Author: Hyperventilating milky fanboi hall tcr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2021756&forum_id=2#21320770) |
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Date: August 13th, 2012 10:58 AM Author: appetizing box office (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2021756&forum_id=2#21327191) |
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Date: August 12th, 2012 2:35 PM Author: Nubile violent partner "Fact is, a person making 100k in MFH has a lower standard of living that people making much less in other cities."
Sure, if you don't count the location you live in as a having any bearing on your "standard of living."
Obviously Harlem is a unique case, but poor blacks living in Harlem are not making $100k - they're probably making actual low/middle class salaries. |
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Date: August 12th, 2012 2:36 PM Author: Hyperventilating milky fanboi hall Location is a meaningless thing to include in "standard of living" unless you're talking about tiny areas. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2021756&forum_id=2#21320761) |
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Date: August 12th, 2012 2:38 PM Author: Nubile violent partner I've lived in rural ARE country, upper middle class suburbia, mid-major city, and NYC. If you don't think there is any meaningful difference in "quality of life" between those places, you are utterly clueless. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2021756&forum_id=2#21320776) |
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Date: August 12th, 2012 2:39 PM Author: Hyperventilating milky fanboi hall There isn't a universal quality of life difference. Opinions vary drastically about which is preferable. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2021756&forum_id=2#21320789) |
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Date: August 12th, 2012 2:46 PM Author: adventurous juggernaut den Do you deny that people can make way more money in MFH for the same job they do somewhere else? I wonder why everyone doesn't move there then? Oh, it's because their living space would be reduced to a fraction of what it was. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2021756&forum_id=2#21320834) |
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Date: August 12th, 2012 2:47 PM Author: Nubile violent partner PROTIP: It's not really "the same job" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2021756&forum_id=2#21320842) |
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Date: August 13th, 2012 11:00 AM Author: appetizing box office Bank teller at Citibank in NYC v. bank teller at Citibank in hicksville. Go. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2021756&forum_id=2#21327202) |
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Date: August 13th, 2012 11:36 AM Author: adventurous juggernaut den *makes up unintelligible crap*
*is really stupid* |
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Date: August 12th, 2012 2:37 PM Author: adventurous juggernaut den Obviously people value living in Manhattan. It's all good. But an objective standard of living measure would focus on tangibles. All else being equal, you certainly take a hit to objective standard of living for the sake of living in Manhattan. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2021756&forum_id=2#21320772) |
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Date: August 12th, 2012 3:51 PM Author: Disrespectful feces stead i know plenty of blacks making middle class salaries, secretaries, assistants, etc. probably making 45-50K and living in harlem. anywhere else they'd be in a comfortable suburb.
what about MFH in and of itself counts toward standard of living? access to a wider variety of dining, recreation and entertainment in MFH is not enough since you have to have a certain income to take advantage of those things. living spaces are smaller. maybe good public transportation? |
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Date: August 13th, 2012 11:03 AM Author: appetizing box office Good public transport is balanced by the fact that owning a car is significantly more expensive. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2021756&forum_id=2#21327225) |
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Date: August 13th, 2012 11:10 AM Author: appetizing box office This is absolutely retarded. Your standard of living is comparable to everyone else's. It takes much more to have a middle class lifestyle in the most expensive urban area in America. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2021756&forum_id=2#21327268) |
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Date: August 12th, 2012 2:33 PM Author: twisted irradiated gas station Not true.
MFH is cheap if you know how to do it.
For example: No point in owning a car. That alone saves you on car payments, gas, insurance and makes up for higher rents. |
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Date: August 12th, 2012 2:34 PM Author: arrogant house karate tbf, rent in nyc is still way way more than what you would pay for a car (you don't have to buy a new one) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2021756&forum_id=2#21320744) |
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Date: August 12th, 2012 2:35 PM Author: adventurous juggernaut den It does not even come close to making up for it. You save 300-400 dollars a month but also pay for taxis and public transit.
In are country people pay 900 dollars a month for a mortgage on a 3500 sq ft home, while you pay 2k for a shower in your kitchen. No it does not make up for it lol. |
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Date: August 12th, 2012 2:41 PM Author: hairraiser casino it's really more like $500 per month and you are assuming one car per household which is probably unlikely.
so for a young couple, it's $1000 in car costs and $1000 mortgage payment on 3500 sq foot home or $3000 apartment plus subway/taxis in NYC.
it no way makes up for it but a car isn't free of course.
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Date: August 12th, 2012 2:44 PM Author: adventurous juggernaut den All depends on what kind of car. If you strictly limit yourself to reliably getting from point A to point B, your amortized cost could probably be less than 150-200 per month.
Pretty sure you don't get a 3500 sq ft apartment for 3k in NYC. |
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Date: August 12th, 2012 2:46 PM Author: hairraiser casino a new $25k honda accord has a monthly cost of ownership of like $500 per month. if you are driving a used kia, sure, whatever.
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Date: August 12th, 2012 2:54 PM Author: elite organic girlfriend this is why people are poor and retarded.
also, you can do the same in chicago and pay 1/2 of what you would in NYC. Objectively, Chi offers 80-90% of what NYC offers |
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Date: August 13th, 2012 12:04 PM Author: Abusive razzle business firm cuckold hi jjc. how's ur part time booth mba? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2021756&forum_id=2#21327593) |
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Date: August 13th, 2012 11:04 AM Author: appetizing box office Wtf are you comparing? You are comparing a nice house and a nice car to a small apartment and the fucking subway with bums shitting on the seat next to you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2021756&forum_id=2#21327235) |
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Date: August 13th, 2012 11:32 AM Author: twisted irradiated gas station How did you know my shower is in my kitchen? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2021756&forum_id=2#21327430) |
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Date: August 13th, 2012 10:10 AM Author: Mewling coffee pot principal's office it doesn't even come close to making up the rent difference. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2021756&forum_id=2#21326947) |
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Date: August 13th, 2012 11:04 AM Author: appetizing box office Well, it does if you compare a luxury house and luxury car to a shitty apartment and the subway. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2021756&forum_id=2#21327237) |
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Date: August 13th, 2012 11:08 AM Author: Mewling coffee pot principal's office well that's kind of stupid. you compare stuff that normal working bros in these locations would buy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2021756&forum_id=2#21327261) |
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Date: August 12th, 2012 2:31 PM Author: Deep brindle plaza hominid (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2021756&forum_id=2#21320720) |
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Date: August 12th, 2012 2:33 PM Author: Bull headed love of her life locale Middle class is 20-80th percentile.
20,000-90,000
Keep in mind that is household income and it is probably accurate for households having around 2 people... |
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Date: August 12th, 2012 2:34 PM Author: Blathering nursing home a middle class person is dependent on wages, has one or more advanced degrees, and is able to accumulate personal wealth in the form of real property. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2021756&forum_id=2#21320743) |
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Date: August 12th, 2012 2:41 PM Author: adventurous juggernaut den lol they don't need to have advanced degrees. the rest seems reasonable (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2021756&forum_id=2#21320802) |
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Date: August 12th, 2012 2:42 PM Author: Blathering nursing home sure they do. otherwise they're just working class and doing well. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2021756&forum_id=2#21320814) |
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Date: August 12th, 2012 2:44 PM Author: adventurous juggernaut den lol moran (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2021756&forum_id=2#21320825) |
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Date: August 12th, 2012 2:44 PM Author: Bull headed love of her life locale jfc
the working class is the middle class |
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Date: August 12th, 2012 2:46 PM Author: Blathering nursing home the working class is not the middle class. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2021756&forum_id=2#21320837) |
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Date: August 13th, 2012 10:13 AM Author: Mewling coffee pot principal's office ($40K/yr shitlawyer) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2021756&forum_id=2#21326958) |
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Date: August 12th, 2012 3:52 PM Author: Disrespectful feces stead not anymore. you're going to see a lot of permatemp JDs or BAs working retail along with HS dropouts. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2021756&forum_id=2#21321390) |
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Date: August 12th, 2012 5:08 PM Author: Learning disabled orchestra pit $0-$24,999 Working Class $25,000-$49,999 Lower Middle Class $50,000-$99,999 Middle Class $100,000-$350,000 Upper Middle Class |
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Date: August 12th, 2012 5:10 PM Author: Hyperactive lodge So, $350,001 = rich? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2021756&forum_id=2#21321929) |
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Date: August 12th, 2012 5:13 PM Author: Lake coldplay fan institution that puts you in the top 1% so i'd say yeah (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2021756&forum_id=2#21321948) |
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Date: August 12th, 2012 5:19 PM Author: Learning disabled orchestra pit Eh. Don't care to define a statistically negligible subset of the sample.
$100,000-$349,000 Upper Middle Class $350,000-$999,999 Utmost Middle Class $1,000,000-$9,499,999 Rich $9,500,000-$LOL Super-rich
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_upper_class#Millionaires |
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Date: August 13th, 2012 10:50 AM Author: adventurous juggernaut den Really should be based primarily on net worth. Then maybe some weight to salary*reasonably expected number of earning years.
LOL @ some 160k biglaw faggot being upper middle class with 230k debt and getting laid off after a few years still at -120k and they had to scrimp that whole time to pay down that much. |
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Date: August 13th, 2012 10:53 AM Author: Abusive razzle business firm cuckold TITCR. Add in family/kids too.
160k salary with 0 debt as a SINGLE MALE = upper middle class, even in NYC where u can comfortably save thousands with 0 debt and 0 interests.
having even 250k salary with debt and mortgage and car payments in Ohio with 2 kids and a wife will still be considered middle class. |
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Date: August 12th, 2012 5:21 PM Author: Curious depressive I make 40k, my husband makes aprox. $450k. Am I lower middle class and he is rich? It isn't income, it is household income. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2021756&forum_id=2#21321993) |
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Date: August 12th, 2012 6:15 PM Author: Judgmental azn national surprised no one entertained this flame (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2021756&forum_id=2#21322388) |
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Date: August 12th, 2012 7:21 PM Author: Vivacious trump supporter Very location dependent. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2021756&forum_id=2#21322930) |
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Date: August 13th, 2012 10:54 AM Author: haunting crackhouse macaca And what you spend it on. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2021756&forum_id=2#21327163) |
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Date: August 13th, 2012 12:07 PM Author: onyx dysfunction pit It's a socioeconomic sensation feeling. Class is not determined solely by wages. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2021756&forum_id=2#21327609) |
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