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BIGLAW and reserve military?
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Date: September 30th, 2012 2:55 PM Author: primrose marketing idea idea he suggested I am currently in BIGLAW and was thinking about joining the military as a reserve officer. From what I understand, I would have to go through a few months of training as a reserve officer after I join. Can I get fired from BIGLAW if I were to tell my partner that I plan on doing this? Or if I already sign up and the military requires me to go through that training and I would need to take a leave of absence during that period? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2065533&forum_id=2#21685328) |
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Date: September 30th, 2012 2:56 PM Author: Maroon Ape Office I bet it's 100% illegal to fire u for that and it makes them beta as fuck (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2065533&forum_id=2#21685333) |
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Date: September 30th, 2012 2:57 PM Author: primrose marketing idea idea he suggested I figured that would be the case. I want to join the military as a reserve for the right reasons, e.g., for my country. But, I also think it is a good idea to take some time off from the law while I go through the training.
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Date: September 30th, 2012 4:51 PM Author: silver rough-skinned trust fund It is, in fact, 100.01% illegal for them to fire you for that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2065533&forum_id=2#21686068) |
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Date: September 30th, 2012 4:52 PM Author: honey-headed mediation cruise ship They are not required by law to keep a job for you. They can downsize you out if they choose to do so. It happened to a buddy of mine who was in Midlaw. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2065533&forum_id=2#21686083) |
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Date: September 30th, 2012 5:00 PM Author: white pistol location (guy who lies on internet forums) http://www.justice.gov/usao/nce/documents/EmploymentRights.pdf |
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Date: October 1st, 2012 1:16 AM Author: mischievous field Freaking board swallowed my epic poast on this topic.
Short version:
I've done this for a while (NY, V30).
You will piss off many of your co-workers, who will have to pick up your slack while you are away doing things they don't really understand ("Drill? Is that like marching band practice?").
You will probably have a hard time doing well in your military career and keeping up with the firm's demands. Especially as an officer, you have to deal with all kinds of random business during the month between drills. People get injured, people get sick, people want to transfer, people want to go on extra AT, people are mobilizing, etc. Staying on top of that stuff takes a substantial amount of time.
Depending on what you want to do, reserve service can be worth it. I think it also helps keep you grounded. But it's not something to do as a hobby. |
Date: September 30th, 2012 2:59 PM Author: laughsome public bath liquid oxygen How could you possibly balance the reserves and Biglaw? You can't get fired though, that's illegal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2065533&forum_id=2#21685344) |
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Date: September 30th, 2012 3:06 PM Author: primrose marketing idea idea he suggested It is only one weekend a month. I think I can manage that. I don't work every single weekend. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2065533&forum_id=2#21685369) |
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Date: September 30th, 2012 3:09 PM Author: Sooty hall plus 2 weeks of AT/year
several weekends are 3 day drills |
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Date: September 30th, 2012 3:11 PM Author: primrose marketing idea idea he suggested As long as my firm can't boot me while I do this I am fine. I know I can still bill 2000 hours. It is October and I am only 200 hours away from reaching 2000 as is. I think I can pull it off with reserve. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2065533&forum_id=2#21685398) |
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Date: September 30th, 2012 2:59 PM Author: Sooty hall army reserve jag? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2065533&forum_id=2#21685345) |
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Date: September 30th, 2012 3:09 PM Author: primrose marketing idea idea he suggested Naw. I want to do just regular officer, non-law related. Probably regular infantry, marines or army. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2065533&forum_id=2#21685392) |
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Date: September 30th, 2012 3:13 PM Author: laughsome public bath liquid oxygen Why not just ... join as an AD officer? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2065533&forum_id=2#21685408) |
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Date: September 30th, 2012 3:16 PM Author: primrose marketing idea idea he suggested Still want my 160 plus salary bro. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2065533&forum_id=2#21685427) |
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Date: September 30th, 2012 3:16 PM Author: Sooty hall you're gonna be gone for a while for that training. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2065533&forum_id=2#21685425) |
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Date: September 30th, 2012 3:17 PM Author: primrose marketing idea idea he suggested True. Lets say my hours drop at BIGLAW because of my time commitment to reserve, they still can't fire me right? Also, I really don't care about making partner because I plan on leaving as soon as I find something in the federal gov sector. I figure military reserve will help me get a fed job. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2065533&forum_id=2#21685434) |
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Date: September 30th, 2012 4:11 PM Author: Sooty hall they'll find other reasons to fire you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2065533&forum_id=2#21685678) |
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Date: September 30th, 2012 4:52 PM Author: silver rough-skinned trust fund It had better be a good reason. There's a whole sector of shitlaw that makes bank doing exactly this kind of work. It's like filing a shareholder derivative lawsuit after an SEC investigation. Money in the bank. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2065533&forum_id=2#21686082) |
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Date: October 1st, 2012 8:46 AM Author: Dashing salmon fortuitous meteor a whole sector of employment law scaring the fuck out of biglaw like the sec. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2065533&forum_id=2#21690536) |
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Date: July 24th, 2017 8:47 PM Author: Vivacious box office scourge upon the earth TT got your back! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2065533&forum_id=2#33846948) |
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Date: September 30th, 2012 4:14 PM Author: coral electric ticket booth I hereby announce you are un-fireable. Do whatever you want. Yay! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2065533&forum_id=2#21685699) |
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Date: September 30th, 2012 4:16 PM Author: grizzly arousing chad stag film can't be fired under USERRA, but employer will find a way to fuck with you anyway. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2065533&forum_id=2#21685716) |
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Date: September 30th, 2012 5:17 PM Author: Lake Vengeful Pisswyrm It would be a lot easier to justify your reserve duty if you came into the firm as an existing reservist. But the fact that you are affirmatively seeking out this service at this point, after already having been at the firm for a few years, would raise some eyebrows from your partners. I'm not saying it's not a noble pursuit, but some people may view it as a way for you to have a built-in excuse to avoid work for a few weeks a year.
That being said, there's no way they would fire you explicitly for this reason. There may also be some partners (ex-military guys especially) who think what you are doing is worthwhile. But I think on a net basis it would be a negative for your BIGLAW career, at least at your present firm.
If I were you I'd try to leverage BIGLAW + reserve into a sweet fedgov gig, where reserve duty is a point of pride. |
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Date: September 30th, 2012 5:01 PM Author: white pistol location i am currently doing this. it's NBD. i'm on track to bill about 2200 this year. kept billing through my two week annual training, though only about 10-15 hours a week. probably easier to do this because i'm in litigation. i think litigators typically don't work on weekends, whereas corporate guys work whenever the client wants them to. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2065533&forum_id=2#21686144) |
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Date: September 30th, 2012 8:46 PM Author: primrose marketing idea idea he suggested Did the partners give you shit for doing it? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2065533&forum_id=2#21687609) |
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Date: September 30th, 2012 8:49 PM Author: white pistol location nope, not at all. it is along the same lines of how people are afraid of seeming racist if they discriminate. people are very considerate of reserve military service obligations. the guy above has a point though: i was in the reserves going into biglaw. if you joined after alraedy being in biglaw, i could see that being a problem. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2065533&forum_id=2#21687634) |
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Date: September 30th, 2012 8:54 PM Author: razzmatazz deer antler is being in the reserves worth it? just seems like a huge pain in the ass doing it on top of another job. seems like either AD or nothing would be better. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2065533&forum_id=2#21687678) |
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Date: September 30th, 2012 8:56 PM Author: white pistol location nope. not unless you are really gung ho. but i am very disillusioned with the military, so maybe don't take my word for it. joined because i was a very patriotic teenager. i would never do active duty... that would be hell. i've had some great times and experiences in the military and the guard, but for the most part it is just an epic pain in the ass. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2065533&forum_id=2#21687698) |
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Date: September 30th, 2012 5:14 PM Author: Glittery ocher step-uncle's house water buffalo know a guy who did this and thought it was going great, then got Afghanistan-pwned and had to leave for a year. goodbye partner chances! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2065533&forum_id=2#21686202) |
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Date: September 30th, 2012 5:50 PM Author: Indigo Center second. the dood i know, when he came back he survived a few months, basically enough time so the firm wouldn't get blamed, and then they fired his fucking ass (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2065533&forum_id=2#21686431) |
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Date: September 30th, 2012 5:44 PM Author: Domesticated painfully honest school (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2065533&forum_id=2#21686386) |
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Date: September 30th, 2012 8:47 PM Author: primrose marketing idea idea he suggested Late 20s is old? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2065533&forum_id=2#21687616) |
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Date: September 30th, 2012 8:55 PM Author: razzmatazz deer antler i think 30 is the max age now and no waivers. army is contracting under obama:( (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2065533&forum_id=2#21687687) |
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Date: September 30th, 2012 8:53 PM Author: razzmatazz deer antler I would love to see the face of the partner you tell you're going to need 10 weeks off to go to training. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2065533&forum_id=2#21687667) |
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Date: September 30th, 2012 9:57 PM Author: razzle spot corn cake and that's just for basic. plus 12 for ocs, plus another 10 or so for your branch OBC. lol. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2065533&forum_id=2#21688241) |
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Date: October 1st, 2012 1:20 AM Author: mischievous field There are branches (Navy, Coast Guard) that have direct-to-reserve officer accession programs that are basically a drill schedule. Apart from it being nearly impossible to get a commission this way with no prior service, I think it's more disruptive to be away for a bunch of shorter periods of time than it would be to just be gone for 9 months or a year. That said, there's a noticeable difference in people's attitudes when you're going away for training vs. mobilizing somewhere unpleasant overseas. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2065533&forum_id=2#21689764) |
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Date: October 1st, 2012 8:31 AM Author: shaky haunted graveyard Is there any reason you are thinking about Army Reserve over National Guard?
I've been thinking about National Guard. I understand they do go overseas, but I also think I would like the domestic missions. |
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Date: July 24th, 2017 8:32 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle point lettuce weird to see corporate slave poasting in this dried out old thread (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2065533&forum_id=2#33846878) |
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Date: July 24th, 2017 8:45 PM Author: Red mildly autistic nursing home gay wizard Knew a guy that did this for years until like year 8 and then copped dat veterans preference and got bigfed (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2065533&forum_id=2#33846928) |