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Halp Bros--Old Law Firm Stole My Couch

I worked at a firm and recently left. When I first started w...
titillating thirsty stock car
  10/04/12
take it and make him stop you
Indecent Light Hell
  10/04/12
Lmao!
Alcoholic antidepressant drug
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copper den
  10/05/12
what state?
180 dun old irish cottage internal respiration
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rough-skinned hairless shrine giraffe
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fuckin' steve
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  10/04/12
shitlaw steve
copper den
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hairraiser demanding affirmative action parlour
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If I recall correctly from my 1L property class, you may hav...
copper den
  10/04/12
180
Crimson arrogant hominid plaza
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copper den
  10/04/12
Lol xoxo
salmon aphrodisiac casino
  10/04/12
The firm is the tenant. Analysis irrelevant unless the shitl...
jet appetizing cruise ship
  10/05/12
Couches aren't fixtures of any type.
Gaped Charismatic Weed Whacker
  10/05/12
Ah, yes, well, because I'm a BIGLAW billy rather than a shit...
copper den
  10/05/12
This is so 180. Well done.
marvelous degenerate immigrant
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tyty
copper den
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180
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180
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180 if real, 180 if not real
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Maroon Wonderful Rigpig Brunch
  12/06/13
180 well done.
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  12/06/13
Couches don't even get installed. The doctrine you're looki...
electric liquid oxygen
  05/27/17
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stimulating slate center
  05/12/22
Eh, I don't know about no couch but I'd probably be facing f...
White irradiated regret pistol
  10/04/12
why do you steal from your employer bro?
copper den
  10/04/12
I just have a thing for paper clips and post-it notes. I thi...
White irradiated regret pistol
  10/04/12
sweet good luck bro
copper den
  10/04/12
thought for sure this would be johnsmeyer
wine base trump supporter
  10/04/12
It's one of his alts
copper den
  10/04/12
Flame.
ruddy principal's office
  10/04/12
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copper den
  10/04/12
You are flame or the partner is a fucking idiot. In no way ...
alcoholic rigor
  10/05/12
Fuck yo couch! Buy another one you rich motherfucker! ...
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Topaz property
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cobalt crackhouse sound barrier
  12/06/13
Please sue. Best law suit ever.
electric liquid oxygen
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rusted fear-inspiring theater stage
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lol no not a fucking fixture. And even if it was ... ? your...
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Date: October 4th, 2012 5:28 PM
Author: titillating thirsty stock car

I worked at a firm and recently left. When I first started with this firm, I purchased a couch to nap on between 2pm and 3pm each day, schedule permitting. I was packing up my office last weekend and brought a friend along to help move the couch out. The partner happened to be there and said "not so fast, that's my couch." I calmly explained I had purchased it and brought it in to the office to nap on. He called it an "abandoned fixture" and said under some county ordinance it belonged to him. Halp.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2069842&forum_id=2#21716858)



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Date: October 4th, 2012 7:14 PM
Author: Indecent Light Hell

take it and make him stop you

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Date: October 4th, 2012 11:50 PM
Author: Alcoholic antidepressant drug

Lmao!

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Date: October 5th, 2012 11:10 AM
Author: copper den



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Date: October 4th, 2012 5:32 PM
Author: 180 dun old irish cottage internal respiration

what state?

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Date: October 4th, 2012 6:23 PM
Author: multi-colored mauve meetinghouse pocket flask

lol

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Date: October 4th, 2012 6:30 PM
Author: electric liquid oxygen

lol

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Date: October 4th, 2012 6:35 PM
Author: rough-skinned hairless shrine giraffe



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Date: October 4th, 2012 6:39 PM
Author: Cheese-eating nowag bawdyhouse

fuckin' steve

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Date: October 4th, 2012 11:17 PM
Author: copper den

shitlaw steve

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Date: May 12th, 2022 4:18 PM
Author: hairraiser demanding affirmative action parlour



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Date: October 4th, 2012 6:46 PM
Author: copper den

If I recall correctly from my 1L property class, you may have a right to the furniture. The common law rule is that whatsoever is fixed to the realty is thereby made a part of the realty to which it adheres. However, the new, prevailing rule is that tenants may remove whatever they install for the purpose of carrying on a trade (i.e. trade fixtures), provided that they can be uninstalled without injury to the premises, and that such removal is effected before they yield possession of the premises. Arguably, the couch was a trade fixture--you put it in your office for the purpose of aiding you in carrying on your trade as a lawyer. Given that you can remove it without injury to the premises, and because you haven't completely yielded possession of the premises, I think you have a colorable claim that you have a right to that couch, notwithstanding any extant ordinances. The rationale behind this rule is that it is conducive to trade and commerce. The tenant installs things for the benefit of carrying on his trade, not to enhance the landlord's realty.

You should also be aware that there are other theories that may be applied to these circumstances, depending on what jurisdiction you're in. There is the institutional theory: additions to the realty become a part of an economic unit, and therefore become the landlord's property.

I sincerely xoxohth. Let me know if you have any questions or if I need to clarify or expand on anything.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2069842&forum_id=2#21717502)



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Date: October 4th, 2012 7:08 PM
Author: Crimson arrogant hominid plaza

180

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Date: October 4th, 2012 10:07 PM
Author: copper den



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Date: October 4th, 2012 10:08 PM
Author: salmon aphrodisiac casino

Lol xoxo

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Date: October 5th, 2012 2:11 AM
Author: jet appetizing cruise ship

The firm is the tenant. Analysis irrelevant unless the shitlaw firm is some sort of coöp structured like a salon where you rent your own chair/office. HTH

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2069842&forum_id=2#21720779)



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Date: October 5th, 2012 4:26 AM
Author: Gaped Charismatic Weed Whacker

Couches aren't fixtures of any type.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2069842&forum_id=2#21720974)



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Date: October 5th, 2012 9:46 AM
Author: copper den

Ah, yes, well, because I'm a BIGLAW billy rather than a shitlaw steve, I would bring multiple claims if I was helping OP get his couch back. The aforesaid analysis is merely a possible argument if my other more cogent arguments fail. Look at it as a sort of quasi-landlord-tenant argument, perhaps. Surely, though, there is an argument to be made under the doctrine of finders. Let’s see what that analysis would look like, shall we? The rule of finders is that the finder of property has a right to that property against all the world except the true owner or prior possessor. In this case, OP is the true owner and prior possessor. Therefore, his boss does not have a right to that property. However, bossman is claiming that OP abandoned the couch. In order for one to abandon something, there must be an act of abandonment and intent to abandon. I’ll go ahead and concede that there was an act of abandonment; there is surely an argument that there was. However, OP never intended to abandon the property, as evidenced by his return to the premises in order to retrieve said property. Therefore, the property was not abandoned. Thus, again, OP has a colorable claim that he has a right to that couch.

Again, I sincerely xoxohth. Do let me know if I need to clarify or expand on anything.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2069842&forum_id=2#21721355)



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Date: October 5th, 2012 12:05 PM
Author: marvelous degenerate immigrant

This is so 180. Well done.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2069842&forum_id=2#21722470)



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Date: October 5th, 2012 2:06 PM
Author: copper den

tyty

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Date: October 5th, 2012 2:17 PM
Author: Comical submissive hospital

180

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Date: August 22nd, 2013 11:20 PM
Author: cobalt crackhouse sound barrier

180

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Date: May 27th, 2017 2:49 PM
Author: Citrine Mother



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Date: July 19th, 2017 2:11 PM
Author: wine base trump supporter

Bigfinderskeeperslaw

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Date: October 5th, 2012 7:07 AM
Author: pink tattoo crotch

180 if real, 180 if not real

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Date: October 5th, 2012 2:39 PM
Author: copper den



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Date: November 28th, 2012 10:30 PM
Author: copper den



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Date: December 6th, 2013 9:34 AM
Author: Maroon Wonderful Rigpig Brunch



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Date: December 6th, 2013 2:24 PM
Author: medicated free-loading stag film famous landscape painting

180 well done.

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Date: May 27th, 2017 2:50 PM
Author: electric liquid oxygen

Couches don't even get installed. The doctrine you're looking for here is manifestly mislaid.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2069842&forum_id=2#33409172)



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Date: May 12th, 2022 4:24 PM
Author: stimulating slate center



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Date: October 4th, 2012 10:09 PM
Author: White irradiated regret pistol

Eh, I don't know about no couch but I'd probably be facing felony jail time if they added up all the office supplies I stole over the years.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2069842&forum_id=2#21718998)



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Date: October 4th, 2012 10:15 PM
Author: copper den

why do you steal from your employer bro?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2069842&forum_id=2#21719060)



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Date: October 4th, 2012 10:16 PM
Author: White irradiated regret pistol

I just have a thing for paper clips and post-it notes. I think I'm kinda planning to build a yacht out of post-its.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2069842&forum_id=2#21719075)



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Date: October 4th, 2012 10:20 PM
Author: copper den

sweet good luck bro

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Date: October 4th, 2012 10:20 PM
Author: wine base trump supporter

thought for sure this would be johnsmeyer

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2069842&forum_id=2#21719117)



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Date: October 4th, 2012 10:24 PM
Author: copper den

It's one of his alts

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2069842&forum_id=2#21719163)



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Date: October 4th, 2012 11:19 PM
Author: ruddy principal's office

Flame.

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Date: October 4th, 2012 11:43 PM
Author: copper den

cr

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Date: October 5th, 2012 9:18 AM
Author: alcoholic rigor

You are flame or the partner is a fucking idiot. In no way is a couch a fixture. In no way have you abandoned it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2069842&forum_id=2#21721248)



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Date: October 5th, 2012 12:08 PM
Author: learning disabled mentally impaired private investor dragon

Fuck yo couch!

Buy another one you rich motherfucker!

Darkness is! Darkness is!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2069842&forum_id=2#21722501)



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Date: October 5th, 2012 6:42 PM
Author: copper den



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Date: May 27th, 2017 2:59 PM
Author: Topaz property



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Date: December 6th, 2013 9:29 AM
Author: cobalt crackhouse sound barrier



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Date: May 27th, 2017 2:50 PM
Author: electric liquid oxygen

Please sue. Best law suit ever.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2069842&forum_id=2#33409168)



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Date: July 19th, 2017 2:01 PM
Author: rusted fear-inspiring theater stage



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Date: July 19th, 2017 2:33 PM
Author: buff erotic temple

lol no not a fucking fixture. And even if it was ... ? your an employee

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2069842&forum_id=2#33809893)



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Date: August 28th, 2021 12:54 PM
Author: hairraiser demanding affirmative action parlour



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