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bros, has the time come? their phones are overpriced shit an...
.,.,,.,.....,.,..,.,.,  10/10/12
if you read product reviews, apple products still have the h...
.,.,...,..,.,.,:,,:,.,,,:::,.;,.,:,.,.:.:.,:.::,.  10/10/12
Lol cnet. The place to be if you are a 70 year old incompete...
...,,.,..,,..........,,,.,.,....,,....,.........,  10/10/12
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.,.,,.,.....,.,..,.,.,  10/10/12
it's not just young people. look at any tech product review ...
.,.,...,..,.,.,:,,:,.,,,:::,.;,.,:,.,.:.:.,:.::,.  10/10/12
google = run by computer geniuses / moguls microsoft = ru...
Belieber On the Hood of a Fisker Karma  10/10/12
Gates isn't at Microsoft anymore, they haven't done anything...
KyleButler  10/11/12
yeah but most people don't like to spend 5x as much as they ...
.,.,,.,.....,.,..,.,.,  10/10/12
Another way to look at it when people pay such a premium for...
Nathan Hale  10/11/12
bro.. this is steve jobs legacy. he probably had enough p...
Belieber On the Hood of a Fisker Karma  10/10/12
1) It's not valued that richly for the kind of upside it at ...
michael yidd-killchrist  10/10/12
dont short apple you dumb ape
gerald  10/10/12
ITT: why MAF =/= an investment strategy
michael yidd-killchrist  10/10/12
just do p/e ratio, bro. trends/sentiment don't ever dictate ...
.,.,,.,.....,.,..,.,.,  10/10/12
"I am a mad as fuck aspie who doesn't understand that m...
michael yidd-killchrist  10/10/12
you're right. I don't know what that means.
.,.,,.,.....,.,..,.,.,  10/10/12
One thing that's always struck me as particularly MAF about ...
Highly Coordinated Teams Of Women  10/11/12
Here's another thing to consider - bullish cross issued a bu...
.,.,...,..,.,.,:,,:,.,,,:::,.;,.,:,.,.:.:.,:.::,.  10/10/12
of all the stocks to short you'd short apple? try HP or RIMM
Thomas Friedman riding a Segway through Bangalore  10/10/12
Titcr.
KyleButler  10/11/12
This
''""'''"  10/11/12
I wouldn't short RIMM now only because that company has alre...
Boston Marathon DNF  10/11/12
lol @ shorting RIMM as an investment idea in late 2012. Hey,...
michael yidd-killchrist  10/11/12
thanks, bros!
.,.,,.,.....,.,..,.,.,  11/16/12
thanks again, bros!
.,.,,.,.....,.,..,.,.,  01/25/13
thanks yet again, bros!
.,.,,.,.....,.,..,.,.,  04/17/13


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Date: October 10th, 2012 10:45 PM
Author: .,.,,.,.....,.,..,.,.,

bros, has the time come? their phones are overpriced shit and they don't seem ahead of the game anymore in technology. their computers seem like trendy, overpriced mega-shit, but I don't know enough about them to really tell. can overpriced trendy shit keep apple on top of the world? or are people gonna wise up to paying 1.5k/yr for cell phone usage and an extra 1.5k every couple years for movie-making capabilities? Help, bros.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2075665&forum_id=2#21760194)



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Date: October 10th, 2012 10:58 PM
Author: .,.,...,..,.,.,:,,:,.,,,:::,.;,.,:,.,.:.:.,:.::,.

if you read product reviews, apple products still have the highest scores on average. for example, every one of apple's products is on cnet's best laptop/desktop/phone/tablet/music player lists. there still lots of run room left for phones and tablets globally. there will be lots and lots of demand for apple products for the next couple of years. shorting now is probably not a good idea.

the best short thesis i've read is that apple's margins are going to get squeezed by increased competition. that probably will bear true but it's hard to know when.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2075665&forum_id=2#21760415)



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Date: October 10th, 2012 11:01 PM
Author: ...,,.,..,,..........,,,.,.,....,,....,.........,

Lol cnet. The place to be if you are a 70 year old incompetent or it is the 1990s

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2075665&forum_id=2#21760451)



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Date: October 10th, 2012 11:03 PM
Author: .,.,,.,.....,.,..,.,.,



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2075665&forum_id=2#21760463)



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Date: October 10th, 2012 11:08 PM
Author: .,.,...,..,.,.,:,,:,.,,,:::,.;,.,:,.,.:.:.,:.::,.

it's not just young people. look at any tech product review site. apple products are universally rated as best in class or near the very top. cnet, consumer reports, pcmag, gizmodo, engadget, etc.

if you knew nothing about tech products and relied on buying guides to make a decision, there's a good chance you'd still buy an apple. this is independent of marketing or the "cool" factor or any of that bullshit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2075665&forum_id=2#21760529)



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Date: October 10th, 2012 11:12 PM
Author: Belieber On the Hood of a Fisker Karma

google = run by computer geniuses / moguls

microsoft = run by computer geniuses / moguls

oracle = run by computer geniuses / moguls

aapl = (oops)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2075665&forum_id=2#21760580)



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Date: October 11th, 2012 9:45 AM
Author: KyleButler

Gates isn't at Microsoft anymore, they haven't done anything innovative in years. Apple is still kicking ass in phones, tablets and computers--no other company dominates this many markets. I would put Amazon on your list of companies being run by moguls/geniuses.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2075665&forum_id=2#21762516)



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Date: October 10th, 2012 11:13 PM
Author: .,.,,.,.....,.,..,.,.,

yeah but most people don't like to spend 5x as much as they would on comparable products.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2075665&forum_id=2#21760596)



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Date: October 11th, 2012 10:53 AM
Author: Nathan Hale

Another way to look at it when people pay such a premium for your product, you don't need to sell to most people. Apple doesn't need large market share to make gobs of money, they have always been about the higher end of the market and will continue to be so.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2075665&forum_id=2#21762772)



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Date: October 10th, 2012 11:03 PM
Author: Belieber On the Hood of a Fisker Karma

bro.. this is steve jobs legacy. he probably had enough products in the pipeline to last 2-5 years after his death..

but you see how shitty things are turning already since his demise.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2075665&forum_id=2#21760467)



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Date: October 10th, 2012 11:06 PM
Author: michael yidd-killchrist

1) It's not valued that richly for the kind of upside it at least MIGHT still have. P/E is relatively low for what still may be a growth company.

2) It's already down a lot from its $700 high, so shorting it now is betting on a continued downward trend.

3) Shorting it now also means you expect things to get pretty bad pretty quickly. Is Apple at or past its peak? Maybe, maybe not, but if it is, what make you think it's on the precipice of a quick decline? It could still wind up at its current or slightly increasing market share for a while even if the juice is gone.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2075665&forum_id=2#21760500)



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Date: October 10th, 2012 11:13 PM
Author: gerald

dont short apple you dumb ape

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2075665&forum_id=2#21760597)



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Date: October 10th, 2012 11:14 PM
Author: michael yidd-killchrist

ITT: why MAF =/= an investment strategy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2075665&forum_id=2#21760614)



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Date: October 10th, 2012 11:17 PM
Author: .,.,,.,.....,.,..,.,.,

just do p/e ratio, bro. trends/sentiment don't ever dictate stock returns, especially for hardware that sells in large part because it has a glowy apple on the back.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2075665&forum_id=2#21760664)



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Date: October 10th, 2012 11:18 PM
Author: michael yidd-killchrist

"I am a mad as fuck aspie who doesn't understand that most people respond more to design than to number of features" =/= a trend

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2075665&forum_id=2#21760673)



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Date: October 10th, 2012 11:21 PM
Author: .,.,,.,.....,.,..,.,.,

you're right. I don't know what that means.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2075665&forum_id=2#21760702)



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Date: October 11th, 2012 1:39 PM
Author: Highly Coordinated Teams Of Women

One thing that's always struck me as particularly MAF about criticism of Apple is the "zomg so few ports!" thing. By and large, aren't ports in general becoming more and more obsolete? Is there any product out there you really can't download off the internet now, or any file you can't transfer over dropbox? Other than some games (which Apple has written off), I can't really think of anything.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2075665&forum_id=2#21763635)



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Date: October 10th, 2012 11:42 PM
Author: .,.,...,..,.,.,:,,:,.,,,:::,.;,.,:,.,.:.:.,:.::,.

Here's another thing to consider - bullish cross issued a buy on apple yesterday. The site has a good history of calling the bottom. It's also forecasting $1,000 price within 15 months.

http://bullishcross.com/2012/10/apple-1000-why-its-time-to-buy/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2075665&forum_id=2#21760926)



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Date: October 10th, 2012 11:48 PM
Author: Thomas Friedman riding a Segway through Bangalore

of all the stocks to short you'd short apple? try HP or RIMM

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2075665&forum_id=2#21760980)



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Date: October 11th, 2012 9:46 AM
Author: KyleButler

Titcr.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2075665&forum_id=2#21762519)



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Date: October 11th, 2012 11:10 AM
Author: ''""'''"

This

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2075665&forum_id=2#21762824)



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Date: October 11th, 2012 1:29 PM
Author: Boston Marathon DNF

I wouldn't short RIMM now only because that company has already been picked dry by the shorts and at this point you'd be betting on a full-out bankruptcy.

HP may be a better bet because their problems are just beginning to be realized by the market. But I still think it's way too risky to short stocks unless you really know what you are doing, especially when the market is generally on the upswing.

I think it would be a terrible mistake to short AAPL. You're talking about a company with the most loyal smartphone consumer base in the world and a company that consistently beats market expectations. You're putting way too much emphasis on iphone5 glitches. Apple has $100B in CASH on its balance sheet and is a proven innovator, so even if they did fuck up I'd expect them to come out with something even better next time.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2075665&forum_id=2#21763592)



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Date: October 11th, 2012 1:32 PM
Author: michael yidd-killchrist

lol @ shorting RIMM as an investment idea in late 2012. Hey, I also hear this nanotech thing is gonna be big.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2075665&forum_id=2#21763604)



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Date: November 16th, 2012 7:35 PM
Author: .,.,,.,.....,.,..,.,.,

thanks, bros!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2075665&forum_id=2#22059738)



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Date: January 25th, 2013 10:52 PM
Author: .,.,,.,.....,.,..,.,.,

thanks again, bros!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2075665&forum_id=2#22504928)



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Date: April 17th, 2013 1:42 PM
Author: .,.,,.,.....,.,..,.,.,

thanks yet again, bros!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2075665&forum_id=2#23015805)