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Date: January 1st, 2013 12:06 PM Author: Arousing Walnut Hairy Legs
watched fat sick and nearly dead last night.
on day 2, so it's basically in the bag....
will update with a 40 lb lighter, brighter me on march 1st.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2149862&forum_id=2#22346900) |
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Date: January 8th, 2013 11:35 PM Author: diverse hyperactive sanctuary
How would a job-haver manage this diet
Do you just take a bigass thermos of strawberry-tomato juice with you to work and sip on it throughout the day?
I thought it was a big deal to drink the juice immediately, lest it lose nutrients
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2149862&forum_id=2#22398148) |
Date: January 9th, 2013 12:22 PM Author: Arousing Walnut Hairy Legs
yeah, i've been mostly juicing myself. normally i'll have two green juices per day with kale/spinach/collards etc, a cucumber, 4-5 celery stalks, a little ginger, half a lemon and a green apple. i may change up the fruit. omit apple and put in a couple handfuls of blueberries/cranberries whatever. these juices normally come out to 20-24 ounces.
then i'll have one that's higher cal. carrot/orange/pineapple/beets is my favorite. but i've done a couple straight orange juices too.
if i ever get remotely weak or puny feeling, i just grab another juice. it's great. because it really does hit your bloodsteam super fast- digested in 15 minutes. so the couple times i have felt a little "ugh" it's over almost as soon as it begins.
also will have juices from one of the hundreds of juice places/stalls that have crept up around nyc as a special treat/when i'm out/at work. they're expensive but yum and help to keep me from being really bored (so far) from the monotony of my own juices. and if you buy "cold pressed" juices, they keep their nutrients longer (2-3 days) due to less oxidation so you can store in office fridge.
i seriously didn't expect to have so much energy and feel so good. also, my skin has never looked so good in my life. fuck. i'm going to have to give up dairy.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2149862&forum_id=2#22400506) |
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Date: January 9th, 2013 12:44 PM Author: Arousing Walnut Hairy Legs
i got the entry level breville juicer for $100. but get from bb&b, so you can download the 20% coupon. if i thought i was going to do this for longer, i probably would have bought a higher end juicer, at least a step or two up for breville- or the omega ones, which look way easier to clean and get more juice out of the fruit.
but mine works adequately enough. not a super high recommendation. but definitely worth the money.
spending about $150-200 per week on groceries + juice store juices. purchasing all organic though.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2149862&forum_id=2#22400569) |
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Date: January 9th, 2013 12:55 PM Author: Arousing Walnut Hairy Legs
www.rebootwithjoe.com
it's not the best website- you may have to root around a little for recipes and the info you want. but it's great. it has plans for total juicing, as well as just replacing 1-2 meals per day with juices, and eating a plant-based diet otherwise.
watch fat, sick and nearly dead for free on netflix or hulu. it's pretty inspirational, and gives some guidance.
my biggest advice is not to be scared of drinking more juices. if you don't like the flavor, don't be scared of adding more fruit. it's so good for you and so low in calories, you can't help but lose weight. so customize it so that it's sustainable. you don't want to feel awful and then give it up and binge.
sometimes i add in chia seeds for additional protein, but that's my only modification. plants actually have a lot of protein- especially in juicing quantities.
that said, the standard recommendation is 4-6 24-32 ounce juices today. have one of them be fruit based, but the others be veggie/fruit in at least a 4:1 ratio. green veggies give the most vitamins, but juice the rainbow.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2149862&forum_id=2#22400620) |
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Date: January 9th, 2013 12:58 PM Author: Arousing Walnut Hairy Legs
perfectly fine.
i think if you add in even one juice a day, people notice energy/health benefits.
i'm just shocked the juicing is so easy. it feels totally sustainable to me.
pizza smells like heaven. so does my shitty neighbors' normally shitty smelling cooking. but beyond that, i'm totally fine.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2149862&forum_id=2#22400637) |
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Date: January 9th, 2013 12:54 PM Author: Lascivious onyx theatre
i just wash the beets and cut them in half and throw them in there, greens and all (always use the greens, they are so good for you)
i have a breville, it's not super top of the line but it does a good job and the cleanup is fine. the only prep i have to do is cutting stuff to a size that will fit in the chute. though with citrus you do have to peel it. also cucumbers, if you leave the peel on those things and juice them, god help you
it takes me about 10 minutes, cleanup included, to do my morning juice. but i purposely don't use oranges in it so i don't have to peel them. its usually celery, one apple, carrots, few leaves of kale, some spinach and a half lemon
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2149862&forum_id=2#22400617) |
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Date: January 9th, 2013 1:00 PM Author: Arousing Walnut Hairy Legs
yeah, i have the same breville i bet. i'd agree cleanup isn't too bad just as long as you take care of it immediately. if you let it wait a work day, things get pretty gross and your apartment reeks.
I'm not sure why you have problems with a cucumber. i never take the peel off those, or kiwis, or anything else really. you can even do citrus with peel, though the result is noticeably more bitter.
on the other hand, taste wise, i can't take the beet greens, good or not, so off they go...
it's all so customizable, depending.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2149862&forum_id=2#22400645) |
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Date: January 9th, 2013 1:58 PM Author: exciting corner
What I am saying are e health benefits are flame. You might absorb the sugar liquid slightly faster juicing over vitamixing, but if you either juice or vitamix the number of fruits and veggies necessary to not starve to death you will get way more than enough vitamins and minerals absorbed.
There is no evidence that over supplying vitamins for a few days has any benefit, and the weight loss you see is from starvation pure and simple.
Juicing is a gimmick and an expensive one. If you want to lose a ton of weight fast just starve yourself to death drinking water, and eat just enough veggies, protein, fats so that you get whatever calories you intend to, plus fiber.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2149862&forum_id=2#22400935) |
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Date: January 9th, 2013 3:59 PM Author: Arousing Walnut Hairy Legs
doesn't it take a lot more fruit/veggies to juice the same number of ounces than to vitamix them? makes sense. you're cutting out all the non-soluble fiber, as you mention. i normally have a huge pile of it after just one juice. (juicing preserves the soluble fiber.)
so if you were making smoothies, you wouldn't be consuming as many veggies/fruits and hence, vitamins. Giving your stomach a break from digesting is pretty sweet too.
Not knocking smoothies. I "accidentally" cheated and had one from the Juice Press when I first started, not realizing that it wasn't mangosteen juice, but a smoothie. It was awesomely decadent (the coconut oil and crushed walnuts probably helped), gave me tons of energy and I fully plan to incorporate them post juice-fast. But I think there are advantages with both.
i mean, you could say the same thing in smoothies vs. eating all the veggies/fruits raw. takes more work/calories for your body to digest it raw-isn't that better? but who the fuck wants to eat 4 cucumbers, 16 stalks of celery, a plastic box of spinach, two bunches of lacinato kale, a bunch of swiss chard, a red bell pepper, a head of broccoli, a lemon, a bag of carrots, 5 oranges and 2 apples and a parsnip in a day? that's what i juiced today.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2149862&forum_id=2#22401639) |
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Date: January 9th, 2013 5:01 PM Author: diverse hyperactive sanctuary
" 4 cucumbers, 16 stalks of celery, a plastic box of spinach, two bunches of lacinato kale, a bunch of swiss chard, a red bell pepper, a head of broccoli, a lemon, a bag of carrots, 5 oranges and 2 apples and a parsnip in a day?"
Got DAMN
What's that, like $30? Not saying that's an outrageous amount to spend on food in a day, but that easily 3-4x what it would cost to cook normal shit at home.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2149862&forum_id=2#22402078)
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Date: January 16th, 2013 1:51 PM Author: exciting corner
what is the advantage of ingesting the vitamins and sugar of 5 oranges, 4 cucumbers and 16 stalks of celery, etc., as juice, versus half that number + fiber in a smoothie?
NONE.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2149862&forum_id=2#22444494)
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Date: January 16th, 2013 2:01 PM Author: exciting corner
I dont think ridiculous amounts of fiber has that much benefit. I do know that ridiculous amounts of vitamins and sugar from 10 times as much fruits and veggies is a lot more expensive and has no benefit.
you cant just take 10 times the recommended amount of vitamins and benefit from that. At best you just piss that out.
in other words, why the fuck do you need 16 stalks of celery in the first place?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2149862&forum_id=2#22444536) |
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Date: January 16th, 2013 2:33 PM Author: exciting corner
you realize you could drink a smoothie with 1/5 of the total amount of veggies and fruits and still get well above the amount of nutrients you need or could use. You are correct that multi vitamins are not as good, but drinking 10 times the vegetables and fruits is not extra good.
then you eat one chicken breast a day and get more than all the protein you get from 16 stalks of celery or kale or whatever.
What I am suggesting is that you are on an expensive and inefficient version of a starvation diet.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2149862&forum_id=2#22444729) |
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Date: January 16th, 2013 2:42 PM Author: Arousing Walnut Hairy Legs
if you're complaining about it being a starvation diet, i don't get why you'd advocate consuming 1/5 of the nutrients, protein, carbs and fat in smoothie firm as being the way to go.
the whole point of juicing is if you're deciding to live on all plants, it's a way to inflate the calories and nutrients beyond what the average person could comfortably consume in another form.
i'm having a minimum of 1200 calories per day, and in the 3 days i tracked, 30-50 grams of protein. that's not starvation level. that's a chicken breast and a few eggs of protein per day.
it's not 10 times the calories i need. 10 times the protein i need. it's also not starvation. basically all your claims are wrong.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2149862&forum_id=2#22444806) |
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Date: January 16th, 2013 3:04 PM Author: exciting corner
its ten times the vitamins your body can use or process. I am advocating fewer veggies but more real food.
in other words, instead of drinking 16 stalks of celery, and 5 oranges, why not eat one or two stalks of celery, two oranges, one bunch of kale, and a chicken breast and 2 eggs.
You are losing weight because you are ingesting 1200 calories a day as a grown man, not because you are ingesting it primarily through carbs in the form of juice.
Why not save money and eat 1200 calories a day while drinking a lot of water and getting all the nutrients you need through a large but reasonable amount of fruits and veggies.
The reason is that people are weak and if they eat, they will eat 2500+ calories. So you concoct a ridiculous diet like juice only, or tea and honey only which makes it impossible to ingest too many calories.
Everything you do could be done more easily and cheaply with a calorie restricted balanced diet. The gimmick is in place for pepople with a lot of money and no discipline.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2149862&forum_id=2#22444956) |
Date: January 9th, 2013 1:59 PM Author: Magenta principal's office place of business
I've juiced before and while I certainly dropped weight and felt healthier than my old shitdiet, I feel even better eating a healthy more "traditional" diet. People feel better on juice diets because they lack the resolve to stay away from crappy food unless guided by a strict diet.
It will also DECIMATE muscle mass. It will take you months to build back up. Of course if you're really fat it could be worth it, but not if you just need to lose 20-30 lbs or less
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2149862&forum_id=2#22400944) |
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Date: January 9th, 2013 2:01 PM Author: exciting corner
Yeah basically it's a satrvation water diet, plus some sugar.
Also people who say they will build the muscle back again are deluding themselves. To build muscle you will need to eat and you will get fat again, wasting you time juicing.
You can't lose 20 pounds of fat and 10 pounds of muscle and then put the ten pounds of lean muscle back on.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2149862&forum_id=2#22400957) |
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