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Biglaw Bros: Does it get better?
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Date: January 6th, 2013 8:44 PM Author: trip abode jap New associate. Most days I have no idea what's going on and I feel like I can't ask other people. Half the time I don't even know what questions to ask; other times I stew in my ignorance rather than ask questions out of fear of sounding stupid. I'm flying this plane blind, and it's causing me major stress and anxiety.
Does it get better brothers? |
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Date: November 23rd, 2014 9:04 PM Author: slap-happy maize meetinghouse keepsake machete NO (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153920&forum_id=2#26781397) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2020 8:57 PM Author: green awkward yarmulke (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153920&forum_id=2#40543622) |
Date: January 6th, 2013 8:45 PM Author: Splenetic Soul-stirring Spot Brethren it takes years to get better unfortunately brother, and u will probably be driven to quit/fired before then if you are in a practice group that doesn't have any interest in training you (which it sounds like you are) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153920&forum_id=2#22380818) |
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Date: January 6th, 2013 8:46 PM Author: laughsome bbw hunting ground It will be like this for years. After you figure it out, you'll worry about getting time on your feet. You won't. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153920&forum_id=2#22380828) |
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Date: January 6th, 2013 8:48 PM Author: Umber titillating den twinkling uncleanness It gets different but not better. I don't worry about not knowing how to do the job substantively anymore, but as so as you have that worked out you have to start dealing with managing juniors, business generation, reviewing bills, etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153920&forum_id=2#22380843) |
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Date: January 6th, 2013 8:50 PM Author: Hideous toaster this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153920&forum_id=2#22380853) |
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Date: November 23rd, 2014 11:24 AM Author: Sable stage wait...you mean you don't just GET to make millions because you got a law degree from CLS or Northwestern or Georgetown (or some other elite school)? this makes no sense AT ALL? you meant to tell me competition exists?
this is mind blowing. |
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Date: January 6th, 2013 8:49 PM Author: Walnut blood rage Maybe you should ask questions and stop being a pussy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153920&forum_id=2#22380845) |
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Date: January 6th, 2013 8:56 PM Author: Splenetic Soul-stirring Spot Brethren *asks a question*
*gets stare like you are asking them to do your work for you*
*is given vague answer and told to look it up* |
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Date: January 6th, 2013 8:58 PM Author: trip abode jap (has never worked in biglaw) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153920&forum_id=2#22380915) |
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Date: January 6th, 2013 9:12 PM Author: impressive kitty cat Lol! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153920&forum_id=2#22381040) |
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Date: November 23rd, 2014 11:29 AM Author: Transparent locale Annoyed the partner tells you to consider something completely unrelated. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153920&forum_id=2#26777373) |
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Date: January 6th, 2013 8:52 PM Author: drab stirring indian lodge No (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153920&forum_id=2#22380868) |
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Date: January 6th, 2013 8:52 PM Author: Obsidian useless pozpig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153920&forum_id=2#22380869) |
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Date: January 6th, 2013 8:57 PM Author: Orange medicated karate lettuce not biglaw but i think you will shortly stop caring about looking stupid when the job sucks the joy out of you (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153920&forum_id=2#22380910) |
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Date: January 6th, 2013 9:03 PM Author: Insecure Range Prole It doesn't get better as much as you just stop caring. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153920&forum_id=2#22380962) |
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Date: January 6th, 2013 9:05 PM Author: Sienna vivacious turdskin gunner lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153920&forum_id=2#22380976) |
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Date: January 6th, 2013 9:07 PM Author: Insecure Range Prole it was a serious answer bro (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153920&forum_id=2#22380993) |
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Date: January 6th, 2013 9:16 PM Author: jade motley persian not really sure why this pumo piece of shit is laughing (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153920&forum_id=2#22381064) |
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Date: November 23rd, 2014 11:04 AM Author: Histrionic Gay Wizard Gas Station (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153920&forum_id=2#26777279) |
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Date: November 23rd, 2014 11:22 AM Author: Provocative Alcoholic Travel Guidebook This was so true for me. Around year five I had no idea what I was doing it for, just mindless plodding, (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153920&forum_id=2#26777348) |
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Date: November 23rd, 2014 11:41 AM Author: yellow pit yep, this is the cr. as you get more senior you actually have more reason to be stressed, but you care so much less so it improves on the whole. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153920&forum_id=2#26777420) |
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Date: January 6th, 2013 9:05 PM Author: thriller hall everything only gets worse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153920&forum_id=2#22380979) |
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Date: January 6th, 2013 9:07 PM Author: talking parlour Stewing in your ignorance? That's a problem? Just do your work and bill that shit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153920&forum_id=2#22380997) |
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Date: January 6th, 2013 9:09 PM Author: excitant sadistic boiling water why don't you ask your fellow first years
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Date: January 6th, 2013 9:14 PM Author: trip abode jap We're all working on different projects. They might have their own slice of the universe figured out, but they usually can't help me unless I bore them with the details of a project they're not on. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153920&forum_id=2#22381050) |
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Date: January 6th, 2013 9:20 PM Author: excitant sadistic boiling water give an example of something that gave you difficulty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153920&forum_id=2#22381096) |
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Date: January 7th, 2013 7:12 AM Author: Lascivious jet-lagged property jewess So OP complains about people not caring and not feeling welcome to ask questions but when someone asks, he disappears. I think i see the root of the problem. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153920&forum_id=2#22383538) |
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Date: January 7th, 2013 7:38 AM Author: Impertinent public bath ladyboy a good portion of his fellow first years will think "if i can get this fool to quit i increase my chances of partnership!"
the last people he should speak with are first years |
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Date: January 7th, 2013 11:27 AM Author: pearl bespoke shitlib (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153920&forum_id=2#22384087) |
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Date: January 7th, 2013 12:18 PM Author: Obsidian useless pozpig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153920&forum_id=2#22384383) |
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Date: November 23rd, 2014 11:05 AM Author: Histrionic Gay Wizard Gas Station (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153920&forum_id=2#26777282) |
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Date: January 6th, 2013 9:16 PM Author: Red aggressive multi-billionaire (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153920&forum_id=2#22381061) |
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Date: January 7th, 2013 12:26 PM Author: vibrant indigo ape market You're new at a job, hence you don't know how to do anything. There is nothing unusual about this. Your befuddlement is no more special than your alleged talent. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153920&forum_id=2#22384422) |
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Date: November 23rd, 2014 11:06 AM Author: Fragrant deer antler hell it doesnt get better. it gets worse. but the problems you describe get better. as you get more senior, a different set of problems cause more stress and anxiety. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153920&forum_id=2#26777284) |
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Date: November 23rd, 2014 11:16 AM Author: fuchsia dilemma pistol It gets better in a couple ways. Either you will shoot yourself with a gun and drift off into that eternal nothingness or you will get canned. Until then good luck brother. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153920&forum_id=2#26777322) |
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Date: November 23rd, 2014 11:20 AM Author: Provocative Alcoholic Travel Guidebook It's a prison sentence, bro,
Luckily for you, you are joining during a good economy, so hopefully there will be a good job environment three years out,
Of course, the last time Biglaw had a big bonus season, the economy promptly went to shit. Hopefully that doesn't again. |
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Date: November 23rd, 2014 11:25 AM Author: Irradiated Blue Theater Internal Respiration enjoy it while it lasts because the law shit is the easy shit, good luck generating business down the line (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2153920&forum_id=2#26777361) |
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Date: November 23rd, 2014 6:13 PM Author: concupiscible dark garrison your mistake is that you think it's a problem that you don't know anything. it's not a problem to not know your job is to find it out. think about how you would find it out. Then find it out. If you're totally off base someone will tell you and you'll do differently. |
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Date: November 23rd, 2014 6:36 PM Author: Startling school fanboi this is entirely correct
if you don't know how to prepare a type of doc, ask some midlevels if they have any precedent docs. As you prepare types of docs, build your own precedent library (keeping precedents people send you) so you never ask twice
if you don't know law, your job is to learn it. It is OK if you have to spend several hours reading a treatise before you dive into the specific issue.
if you don't understand your instructions/know what to do next, then ask the next senior person. Best way to do this is to come with your own idea of what to do next, and then when you speak to senior, you're like "the current situation is X, so I was thinking Y is best course of action, do you agree?" or something. Or, alternatively, just do the next thing and discuss with senior after you're done (caveat - if next step is to talk/send something to client or other outside party, always ask first)
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Date: December 13th, 2014 8:22 PM Author: nighttime cruise ship stain 180 advice
Even for us gov't drones. |
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Date: November 23rd, 2014 8:50 PM Author: Vermilion galvanic preventive strike Yes.
Also, remember that everyone knows you're a first year and that you don't know anything - don't stress that you don't know things that you couldn't possibly be expected to know. |
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