Got yelled at for sending an email to a client. FML.
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Date: May 4th, 2013 5:08 AM
Author: Icy Blow'lude
Two weeks ago, a nerdy litigation partner asked me to work on a private equity investment for one of his clients. Simple enough, right? Iím a fifth-year associate and regarded as a competent transactional attorney. Iím not the class rock star, but Iíve been told Iím ďvery much in the hunt for partnership.Ē
Sounds exciting, but being in the hunt actually makes your life worse because you have to care what partners think of you. In other words, you have to make partners like you. And if they donít? Well, you have to obsess over the fact they donít like you and then do everything in your power to change their minds. Even when theyíre dicks. Even when they scream at you for ďCC-ingĒ them on an email rather than including them in the ďFromĒ line. Thatís right, Nerdy Litigation partner yelled at me like I was his prison bitch because I didnít include his name in the goddamn ďFromĒ line.
ďThis is reckless and thoughtless behavior!Ē he said, his tiny jaw twitching with petulance.
Here are the facts: Last Wednesday, I sent a draft term sheet to the client and CC-ed Nerdy Litigation Partner. Itís the kind of thing I do twenty times a day. I didnít even think twice about it. Call me crazy, but thatís how I roll. Ten minutes later, NLP was in my office yelling.
ďYou donít CC me. Understand?!Ē
ďIím sorry,Ē I said. I know, Iím a pussy. But Iím in the hunt. What am I supposed to do, ruin my career? But NLP didnít give a ratís ass about my apology.
ďEvery single piece of correspondence that goes to this client comes from me. Got it?! Ē
I just looked at him. My heart was thumping. If we were in high school, I would have already thrown my first punch.
ďIím not sure I understand,Ē I said, with an deferential faux confusion associates in the hunt employ when asshole partners are screaming at them for no reason.
ďThe client needs to know that Iím integrally involved in this transaction and not just overseeing some junior associateís work product. Understand now, or was that too abstract for you?! Ē
I didnít respond. I just stared at him, until he walked out.
Hereís the worst part: NLP is actually kind of important and now he hates me. He told an associate friend of mine the next day that I was a ďloose cannon.Ē
A loose fucking cannon?! Really?! Because of a stupid CC! Really?! Just thinking about this makes me insane! Iíve worked my ass off for five years, and this petty son of a bitch is going to compromiseóor flat out ruinómy chance at partner over this!?
If I didnít have a fat student loan tab, I would have kicked his chubby ass right then and there. (Yes, Iím exaggerating. A little. And yes, Iím angry as hell and completely irrational. You would be too, if you were in the hunt and some d-bag called you out for something so petty.)
Itís times like these that Iím really glad I went to a top-five school, made law review and billed 2100 hours a year for the past five years. Now I suppose that the only good news about no longer being in the hunt is that I donít have to care what assholes like NLP think of me anymore. So in a way, this whole Cc debacle was a victory.
Date: May 4th, 2013 9:11 AM
Author: Arredondo Special (Scandinavian Hunter / f/k/a Circuit City Special)
Damn brother. I do the exact same thing as you. I'm not that familiar with Outlook, but if the client responds, will the partner get the response from the client? So in other words, will the CC-ed people get the response?
Your partner sounds like some douche I used to work for. He would get irritated over the smallest fucking things. Whenever I had put a section symbol, I always needed to put a non-breaking space. I once forgot to put a non-breaking space, and he flipped out as if I completely botched the job. These guys are insufferable, and likely projecting their inner frustration or insecurities onto you.
What is your exit strategy? How much debt?
Date: May 4th, 2013 1:04 PM
this was my question when reading this.
Date: May 4th, 2013 9:55 AM
Date: May 4th, 2013 10:24 AM
Ya, if not flame you needed to man up b/c that is just not common practice.
I woulda sent the TS to him first though for a review before send to client and if he wanted to fwd and pass it off on his own fine enough.
At my firm like only secretarys had access to the partners inbox and can send emails "From" them --- associates don't. I know a few partners who have them do that but its always routine shit.
Date: May 4th, 2013 10:43 AM
Author: chamber of commerce
(assuming not flame)
That was a test, and you failed. The fact that you CC'd him wasn't a huge deal, although it certainly was a fuck up. But when he yelled at you, and you simply cowered in the corner -- you failed bro. When you stared back at him like a wet blanket -- you failed bro. You're not gonna make partner, but it's not because you CC'd the partner. You're not gonna make partner because you're a soft little faggot.
Date: May 4th, 2013 10:55 AM
Fuckup = not sending directly to an unknown partner outside of practice group for review before sending to client. But no biggie because that is what you do in your world.
Failed test = cowering, esp to a litigator.
Date: May 4th, 2013 11:13 AM
This is such a fixable issue though if you (1) first talk to your group leader and explain and tell him you want to make amends with lit partner (2) go to lit partner and talk it out and apologise or whatever smooths his feathers.
(1) is important so your back is covered.
If you want to make partner.
Date: May 4th, 2013 12:54 PM
I think the best response to make to this sort of abusive behavior is just to stay quiet and subtly make the "unimpressed" face at them: http://www.arteworks.biz/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/unimpressed.jpg
The fun is wondering if they'll catch on.
Then at the end of the tirade just say "understood" crisply and try to dart off like a busy bee with someplace to go. No admission that you've done anything wrong (you haven't), but still acting pretty blandly unobjectionable. For extra points, try to throw in something randomly obsequious, like a bow.
Date: May 4th, 2013 4:03 PM
I'd just go in and talk to him and apologize and tell him you'll do it his way moving forward.
There's no need to worry about this more than an apology and moving on.
Date: May 4th, 2013 6:19 PM
Author: Refunkulus AKA Ja'Marius ( )
If you make partner can you run your mouth at him and tell him to lick your balls when you do?
Also seems like a lot of these dudes are just power tripping cause they would have gotten their ass beat talking like that to anyone else.
Date: June 4th, 2013 10:34 AM
Should've told him you aren't his wife and too watch his fucking tone.
Also, his concern about the email always coming from his is TCR. Some clients demand this.