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is penn at sticker financial suicide?

For a urm with a couple years of work experience I'm gues...
T1GER Woods  05/07/13
Any other options? Any money from Cornell, UVA, or Duke? Do ...
bison  05/07/13
I'm a liberal arts shit head working an entry level gov type...
T1GER Woods  05/07/13
10 yr pslf is good. trick is actually getting that job.
.,,.,...,,......,,.,,,.,.,.,.,.,.,,.  05/07/13
Lawyers start at 100k+ there. Would I still be eligible?
T1GER Woods  05/07/13
"As a URM with... enough brains to get into Penn...&quo...
CapTTTainFalcon  05/07/13
federal loans are free money.
tall grass  05/07/13
financial and actual suicide
j shad  05/07/13
its a bad idea if you're currently unemployed. it's an absol...
.,.,,.,.....,.,..,.,.,  05/07/13
Isn't Penn almost like CCN Biglaw % levels? Penn URM sou...
.,.,..,,.,,.,.,:,,:,...,:::,.,.,:,.,.:.,:.,:.::..  05/07/13
You forgot the part where he has to last in Biglaw for 4+ ye...
.,.,,.,,..,.,;;...:....,..,.,.,.,.,..,.:,..,.,.,.,  05/07/13
he also forgot the part where he has to live like a bum and ...
.,.,,.,.....,.,..,.,.,  05/07/13
What else is he gonna do? BIGMCDONALDS or BIGWELFARE?
.,.,..,,.,,.,.,:,,:,...,:::,.,.,:,.,.:.,:.,:.::..  05/07/13
Tbf a URM may have a good shot at good nonlaw options like s...
.,.,,.,,..,.,;;...:....,..,.,.,.,.,..,.:,..,.,.,.,  05/07/13
Yeah, especially if he cops dat Wharton certificate.
bison  05/07/13
keep his gov job with infinite stability and assured upward ...
..,..,.,..:,,:,..,,:::,,..,:,.;.:..:.,:,::,  05/07/13
I'd have to go get a master's at some point if I wanted any ...
T1GER Woods  05/07/13
A directly relevant Master's, an MBA, or will any do?
CapTTTainFalcon  05/07/13
Yep, penn ranked #1 in the atl employment rankings So tak...
T1GER Woods  05/07/13
Probably not. But best case scenario is you are back to zer...
Judas Jones  05/07/13
dont forget where they kill your dog and break into your hou...
Non sequitur  05/07/13
I wouldn't recommend it. Although pretty much all employmen...
;;;;;;...;;;;;..;;  05/07/13
Not sure about Columbia, but yeah I think Penn over NYU is a...
bison  05/07/13
State college is ridiculously cheap so at least your living ...
.;,;;...;;,;;,,,.,..,.,;;,.,.,.,.;,.,.,;,.,.,;,.,.  05/07/13
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.,.,..,,.,,.,.,:,,:,...,:::,.,.,:,.,.:.,:.,:.::..  05/07/13
tough call with the football scandal but i think it's ultima...
bloodacre  05/07/13


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Date: May 7th, 2013 1:26 PM
Author: T1GER Woods

For a urm with a couple years of work experience

I'm guessing big law 1l and 2l shouldn't be TOO hard to acquire, so some of that would help with loans

Thoughts?



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2249631&forum_id=2#23150894)



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Date: May 7th, 2013 1:28 PM
Author: bison

Any other options? Any money from Cornell, UVA, or Duke? Do you really want to be a lawyer?

Coming out of Penn, you'd have a very good chance of getting a biglaw job, but at sticker you'd be working years just to break even. Which is pointless if you don't want to be a lawyer. As a URM with work experience and enough brains to get into Penn, you should be able to do better in another field IMO

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2249631&forum_id=2#23150899)



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Date: May 7th, 2013 1:37 PM
Author: T1GER Woods

I'm a liberal arts shit head working an entry level gov type gig. Ideally I'd like to biglaw -> agency I'm at now as a lawyer.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2249631&forum_id=2#23150941)



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Date: May 7th, 2013 1:45 PM
Author: .,,.,...,,......,,.,,,.,.,.,.,.,.,,.

10 yr pslf is good. trick is actually getting that job.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2249631&forum_id=2#23150978)



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Date: May 7th, 2013 1:57 PM
Author: T1GER Woods

Lawyers start at 100k+ there. Would I still be eligible?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2249631&forum_id=2#23151046)



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Date: May 7th, 2013 2:40 PM
Author: CapTTTainFalcon

"As a URM with... enough brains to get into Penn..."

URMs get into HLS with 164s. What do you think it takes for a URM to get into Penn? 159?

One with WE too? 155?

"What else will these thousands of students who have been discouraged from attending law school do? Where will they find a more fulfilling career? They’re not all going to be doctors or investment bankers, nor should they."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2249631&forum_id=2#23151333)



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Date: May 7th, 2013 1:33 PM
Author: tall grass

federal loans are free money.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2249631&forum_id=2#23150922)



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Date: May 7th, 2013 1:35 PM
Author: j shad

financial and actual suicide

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2249631&forum_id=2#23150934)



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Date: May 7th, 2013 1:56 PM
Author: .,.,,.,.....,.,..,.,.,

its a bad idea if you're currently unemployed. it's an absolutely terrible idea if you currently have any sort of white collar job.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2249631&forum_id=2#23151037)



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Date: May 7th, 2013 1:59 PM
Author: .,.,..,,.,,.,.,:,,:,...,:::,.,.,:,.,.:.,:.,:.::..

Isn't Penn almost like CCN Biglaw % levels?

Penn URM sounds pretty good to me

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2249631&forum_id=2#23151052)



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Date: May 7th, 2013 1:59 PM
Author: .,.,,.,,..,.,;;...:....,..,.,.,.,.,..,.:,..,.,.,.,

You forgot the part where he has to last in Biglaw for 4+ years to pay off 300k of debt. (Maybe 275k if he can put his 1L/2L cash towards it)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2249631&forum_id=2#23151056)



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Date: May 7th, 2013 2:00 PM
Author: .,.,,.,.....,.,..,.,.,

he also forgot the part where he has to live like a bum and sit through class/study for exams for three years.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2249631&forum_id=2#23151064)



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Date: May 7th, 2013 2:02 PM
Author: .,.,..,,.,,.,.,:,,:,...,:::,.,.,:,.,.:.,:.,:.::..

What else is he gonna do? BIGMCDONALDS or BIGWELFARE?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2249631&forum_id=2#23151071)



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Date: May 7th, 2013 2:02 PM
Author: .,.,,.,,..,.,;;...:....,..,.,.,.,.,..,.:,..,.,.,.,

Tbf a URM may have a good shot at good nonlaw options like second tier consulting.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2249631&forum_id=2#23151078)



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Date: May 7th, 2013 2:16 PM
Author: bison

Yeah, especially if he cops dat Wharton certificate.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2249631&forum_id=2#23151176)



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Date: May 7th, 2013 2:04 PM
Author: ..,..,.,..:,,:,..,,:::,,..,:,.;.:..:.,:,::,

keep his gov job with infinite stability and assured upward mobility since he's a URM

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2249631&forum_id=2#23151093)



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Date: May 7th, 2013 2:20 PM
Author: T1GER Woods

I'd have to go get a master's at some point if I wanted any kind of meaningful promotion.

So one way or another I'm going to be going to graduate school. I actually want to be a lawyer, too. I'd rather do law school than master's in "x"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2249631&forum_id=2#23151202)



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Date: May 7th, 2013 2:42 PM
Author: CapTTTainFalcon

A directly relevant Master's, an MBA, or will any do?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2249631&forum_id=2#23151340)



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Date: May 7th, 2013 2:02 PM
Author: T1GER Woods

Yep, penn ranked #1 in the atl employment rankings

So take that as you will

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2249631&forum_id=2#23151074)



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Date: May 7th, 2013 2:02 PM
Author: Judas Jones

Probably not. But best case scenario is you are back to zero 7 years from now after 3 years of LS and 4 years of 70 hr weeks at biglaw.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2249631&forum_id=2#23151077)



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Date: May 7th, 2013 2:05 PM
Author: Non sequitur ( )

dont forget where they kill your dog and break into your house to steal things

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2249631&forum_id=2#23151097)



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Date: May 7th, 2013 2:09 PM
Author: ;;;;;;...;;;;;..;;

I wouldn't recommend it. Although pretty much all employment data I have seen indicates that Penn is significantly underrated. I would take Penn at sticker over overpriced NYC shitholes like NYC and Columbia for sure.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2249631&forum_id=2#23151125)



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Date: May 7th, 2013 2:10 PM
Author: bison

Not sure about Columbia, but yeah I think Penn over NYU is a no-brainer these days.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2249631&forum_id=2#23151139)



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Date: May 7th, 2013 2:09 PM
Author: .;,;;...;;,;;,,,.,..,.,;;,.,.,.,.;,.,.,;,.,.,;,.,.

State college is ridiculously cheap so at least your living expenses will be low.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2249631&forum_id=2#23151130)



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Date: May 7th, 2013 2:09 PM
Author: .,.,..,,.,,.,.,:,,:,...,:::,.,.,:,.,.:.,:.,:.::..



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2249631&forum_id=2#23151132)



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Date: May 7th, 2013 2:20 PM
Author: bloodacre

tough call with the football scandal but i think it's ultimately worth the experience.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2249631&forum_id=2#23151208)