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libs: explain ur position on tranny rights
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Date: May 27th, 2013 10:27 AM Author: lavender laughsome garrison How are these people anything other than crazy? Not saying they can't get help or they don't deserve sympathy but someone who wants to mutilate their body and inject hormones seems crazy.
All the libs I hear talking about trannies insist they aren't crazy. |
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Date: May 27th, 2013 10:30 AM Author: Cocky Lodge What do you mean by crazy? Wanting to surgically alter your genitalia is not normal, but there are some people who need to do it in order to feel comfortable in their own skin. Given that, I don't see a reason to oppose transsexual surgery as long as the parties involved understand the nature of the procedure (and in the United States we require psychological counseling). Sure it's odd, but who the fuck cares about that? "Weird" and "bad" are not synonymous. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2266650&forum_id=2#23277325) |
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Date: May 27th, 2013 10:35 AM Author: lavender laughsome garrison Didn't say they should be legally barred. Or that they're bad. I believe they have a disorder that compels them to want to change their bod. But libs freak out when you say disorder. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2266650&forum_id=2#23277348) |
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Date: May 27th, 2013 10:36 AM Author: Cocky Lodge You're implying that it's bad when you use the term disorder regardless of whether you are actually making a moral judgement. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2266650&forum_id=2#23277352) |
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Date: May 27th, 2013 10:40 AM Author: lavender laughsome garrison Well it is bad from a biological standpoint. It would be unfortunate to be born in a body you were deeply unhappy with. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2266650&forum_id=2#23277362) |
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Date: May 27th, 2013 10:45 AM Author: Cocky Lodge only in the sense that it makes you unhappy. you come across as making a moral judgement about the desire to change genders and you know it. you're just a disingenuous fuck who thinks tg people are weird and doesn't like them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2266650&forum_id=2#23277381) |
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Date: May 27th, 2013 10:58 AM Author: lavender laughsome garrison No dude sorry. I have no problem with transsexual personally. I have sympathy for them honestly but no malice. I just don't get the movement I see in lib media to force recognition ... that's what is weird to me. And it's gaining official traction with allowing trannies to play on the girls' team, use girls' restroom, etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2266650&forum_id=2#23277427) |
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Date: May 27th, 2013 10:36 AM Author: Motley jap whorehouse I can't disagree with this. I don't know whether I've even known any post-op trannies but I've known enough people clearly way outside of gender norms that I believe those norms are total flame, in a significant number of outlying cases.
yolo, and if you wanna live with your dick inside out, peace be upon you. |
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Date: May 27th, 2013 10:39 AM Author: Vibrant hot space hissy fit How do you feel about people who believe they should be amputees? People who believe so strongly that they should be missing an arm or a leg that they should be allowed to have that body part cut off surgically. Do they need counseling? Should doctors cut off a perfectly healthy limb or is that against their oath to do no harm? Should it be covered by insurance? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2266650&forum_id=2#23277360) |
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Date: May 27th, 2013 10:41 AM Author: lavender laughsome garrison This.
And yes transabled people are a thing. |
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Date: May 27th, 2013 10:43 AM Author: Cocky Lodge There are studies that link transgenderism to biological factors, but no such studies exist in the case of amputees. So while I do not necessarily want to ban consensual amputation, I do not think the government should facilitate it the way it should facilitate transgender surgery. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2266650&forum_id=2#23277370) |
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Date: May 27th, 2013 10:45 AM Author: Vibrant hot space hissy fit Link to said studies. Just because no such studies exist for amputees doesn't mean there isn't a biological reason. Perhaps they have damaged nerves that make them think their limb isn't there and it literally drives them crazy that they can't reconcile it.
There are biological reasons for schizophrenia, and we medicate that. We don't give in to their paranoid delusions. |
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Date: May 27th, 2013 10:50 AM Author: Cocky Lodge And just because we haven't seen proof that faeries exist doesn't mean that they aren't real. As for your other point, transgender surgery is the only available "cure" for most forms of gender dysphoria. Additionally, my point was that the government should help people who are tg because they are born with their problem. I think the same thing is true of individuals with schizophrenia.
"Hormonal differences
In rare cases, the hormones that trigger the development of sex and gender may not work properly on the brain, gonads and genitals, causing variations between them. For example, the biological sex (as determined physically by the gonads and genitals) could be male, while the gender identity (as determined by the brain) could be female.
This could be caused by additional hormones in the mother’s system, or by the foetus’s insensitivity to the hormones, known as androgen insensitivity syndrome (AIS). In this way, gender dysphoria may be caused by hormones not working properly within the womb.
See androgen insensitivity syndrome for more information about this condition. Other rare conditions
Other rare conditions, such as congenital adrenal hyperplasia (CAH), and intersex conditions (also known as hermaphroditism) may also result in gender dysphoria.
In CAH, the adrenal glands (two small, triangular-shaped glands located above the kidneys) in a female foetus cause a high level of male hormones to be produced. This enlarges the female genitals. In some cases, they may be so enlarged that the baby is thought to be biologically male when she is born.
Intersex conditions cause babies to be born with the genitalia of both sexes (or ambiguous genitalia). In such cases, it used to be recommended that the child’s parents should choose which gender to bring up their child as. However, it is now thought to be better to wait until the child can choose their own gender identity before any surgery is carried out to confirm it. "
http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Gender-dysphoria/Pages
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Date: May 27th, 2013 10:53 AM Author: Vibrant hot space hissy fit So if there was a medication that corrected the brain to match the gonads we should go with that instead of surgery? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2266650&forum_id=2#23277407) |
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Date: May 27th, 2013 10:54 AM Author: Cocky Lodge I would prefer to let the person involved make their own decision about how to solve their problems, but would support using this drug on all newborns or whatever. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2266650&forum_id=2#23277411) |
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Date: May 27th, 2013 10:57 AM Author: Vibrant hot space hissy fit Fair enough, but I think there would be an instant stigma w opting for surgery, and it would need to be immediately categorized as elective. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2266650&forum_id=2#23277423) |
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Date: May 27th, 2013 10:47 AM Author: lavender laughsome garrison There is a biological basis for lots of craziness. We don't coddle the delusions of schizos who think they're Napoleon by insisting everyone acknowledge them as such. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2266650&forum_id=2#23277385) |
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Date: May 27th, 2013 11:06 AM Author: harsh stimulating trailer park Sure. But don't make me pay for their surgeries, don't force me or others to recognize them as men/women and give them the attendant rights, don't teach my 2nd graders about them especially with moral approval, etc etc
It's a mental illness that I think should generally be treated by other means, and widespread acceptance will only exacerbate the problem overall. Like homosexuality, cultural/environmental factors can bring it from something that very few people are driven to, to something that many times more people might casually explore just because they are bored or want some attention. But I don't go so far as to say we have to outlaw them mutilating their bodies. |
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Date: May 27th, 2013 11:13 AM Author: Motley jap whorehouse I don't know how much anyone's paying for their surgeries. I don't know how much those surgeries are necessary/helpful for what you admit is a mental condition if not precisely an illness in all cases. I don't know how "forced" you are to recognize them in any real capacity or what rights you must give them. I don't know what kind of shit is being fed to 2nd graders. The 2nd graders I know have never brought it up, they're usually into nerf guns and baseball.
Thus, I don't have a strong opinion on this shit because it doesn't affect me in the slightest.
If it's a mental illness it's probably not contagious and I don't think you have to worry that much about it. Before these people were openly, perhaps happily trans, they were antisocial weirdos wearing ladies underwear and shit, you just didn't have Drudge putting them on blast all the time or whatever. |
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Date: May 27th, 2013 10:31 AM Author: impertinent hideous legal warrant property youre asking the mentally ill to defend other mentally ill? Oh what a world! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2266650&forum_id=2#23277327) |
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Date: May 27th, 2013 10:33 AM Author: Motley jap whorehouse I don't really have any strong position on them.
I do think they should have the right to do what they wanna do to themselves.
I don't know that the government should get too involved in legislating how private parties act regarding trannies, although I think the case could be made re things like housing discrimination--but forcing employers to deal with this shit is obviously a different animal.
Is there anything particular libs have actually legislated that you're MAF about, brother? |
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Date: May 27th, 2013 10:42 AM Author: Motley jap whorehouse This is happening in extremely few cases and seems to be lesbians wanting to join the baseball team or whatever. Let 'em try out, who cares. There seem to be no dudes trying to play female sports.
Does this really make you MAF? There's going to be trans kids; might as well have a policy. If it sucks and has actual bad implications (which I really can't articulate, besides vague social effects) we can change it. This does not affect you at all. |
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Date: May 27th, 2013 10:43 AM Author: Vibrant hot space hissy fit Um isn't there a guy who is now a woman and trying to fight women in the MMA? Basically this is a dude who wants to beat the sh*t out of women and win awards for it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2266650&forum_id=2#23277372) |
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Date: May 27th, 2013 10:45 AM Author: lavender laughsome garrison It always starts that way with libs though.
10 years from now you'll be a hateful bigot if you oppose the right of a 6'3 dude to slap on a dress, declare he's female, and play on the girls' team. |
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Date: May 27th, 2013 10:50 AM Author: Motley jap whorehouse Is this a legislative issue or are we just talking about groups of tranny advocates? Because those are not groups that libs would likely agree with on tons of shit.
MMA is free to do what it wanna do, isn't it? |
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Date: May 27th, 2013 10:43 AM Author: lavender laughsome garrison Oh yes this makes me MAF too.
Yah let's let some 6'3 broad-shouldered dude put on a dress declare he's a woman and play with the girls. Lol. |
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Date: May 27th, 2013 10:38 AM Author: lavender laughsome garrison I'm MAF by attempts in lib media to insist everyone recognize them as legitimate men/women. They're crazy. If I passionately believed I was Napoleon you wouldn't insist everyone else acknowledge that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2266650&forum_id=2#23277358) |
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Date: May 27th, 2013 10:41 AM Author: impertinent hideous legal warrant property they would only fight for that (acknowledgement of your condition) if there were a large enough group of you (people who believe they are Napoleon) that you all could then become a political ally. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2266650&forum_id=2#23277364) |
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Date: May 27th, 2013 10:48 AM Author: Motley jap whorehouse I don't know wtf 'lib media' you're into, but in my life I don't think I ever run into this. Maybe I saw a link once to a college newspaper somewhere, or jezebel, but those are niche sites written by poor idiots that no one takes seriously or even reads.
Further, what do you mean 'recognize'? What are you legally obligated to do, nothing? You're just MAF the lib media makes you feel like you are supposed to call a hormone-therapy dude living as a woman a woman?
That's kinda weird. |
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Date: May 27th, 2013 10:49 AM Author: Vibrant hot space hissy fit So it's perfectly fine for a teenage boy who claims to be a girl to be able to use the girls' room and girls' locker room in high school? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2266650&forum_id=2#23277393) |
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Date: May 27th, 2013 11:02 AM Author: Motley jap whorehouse Is this the norm? Is this pushed by mainstream media? Because in my daily life, I literally never hear about this shit because it isn't in the media I consume and I don't see or hear about it irl, from libs or anyone. I only hear about it from xo reptiles--and I have a shit load of shitlib facebook friends. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2266650&forum_id=2#23277443) |
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Date: May 27th, 2013 10:51 AM Author: lavender laughsome garrison Sports is one big area. See the deadspin link above.
Sorry, I don't want my daughter competing against some 6'3 dude in a dress who insists he's a chick.
Also bathrooms. Some states have laws now allowing trannies to basically choose whichever bathroom they want. You would be comfortable with some dude just parading around the women's room? |
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Date: May 27th, 2013 10:59 AM Author: Motley jap whorehouse The deadspin link made the point about as I would have:
"This is dumb for a couple reasons: At least in California, most of the smattering of athletes who have invoked the policy have been biological females looking to play male sports. No one seems concerned about this.
But there's also the pretty obvious fact that it's not exactly fun to be transgender in high school. Playing the sport of your choosing is about participating in the school community in a way that represents who you really are, not about having the chance to dunk on a bunch of girls. As Blanford-Green put it to the Times: "Do you know the stigma and psychological trauma most of these kids probably go through just to come out? No kid is going to put himself in that situation as a joke.”"
--I don't think dudes playing girl sports is yet an issue (outside of the MMA thing that's playing out?) and should it start to crop up, I don't see why this shit can't be modified. By the way, girls regularly compete against men in high school wrestling and have since at least the 90's.
As far as bathrooms, I agree that's a different issue. I'd suggest that trannies just get access to any ungendered solo bathrooms if one is available. I really don't know what should be done in terms of broad legislative solutions to boys who identify/put themselves out as girls in high school and need to take a shit or change clothes. |
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Date: May 27th, 2013 11:04 AM Author: High-end gas station Whats an opinion on rights have to do with mental illness? I think many non-violent mentally ill people should have all sorts of rights. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2266650&forum_id=2#23277451) |
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