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Can anyone seriously argue against solitary confinement for felo
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Date: July 23rd, 2013 4:51 PM Author: Mauve Hideous Gas Station Wrinkle for convicted felons?
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Date: July 23rd, 2013 4:53 PM Author: Ruby trust fund spot that it's pointless, expensive, creates mental problems that will hurt others once you let them out? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2319009&forum_id=2#23704732) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2013 4:55 PM Author: Mauve Hideous Gas Station Wrinkle Extended solitary confinement leaves most people docile. Violence is rare and almost always self-directed. So there's one advantage right away.
I think it will have a deterrent effect when the previously violent armed robber is released from prison, talks to himself all the time, can barely get through sentences without breaking into tears, and finally kills himself one lonely night. I think it will strike the fear of God into potential criminals, to realize the State can wipe out your soul if it chooses. Prison is about fear, not repentance. Right now, we outsource that function to criminals. Unsurprisingly, people are only afraid of criminals. I think they should be more frightened of the State.
I personally enjoy the thought of wicked and lawless people being broken down completely. Why do we put people in prison? Because they're human garbage and nobody wants them. Criminals are selfish, they care only about themselves. Fine, they can live only with themselves. We're giving them absolutely what they want: a world in which there is no one else. If that drives them mad, good.
Good behavior can be rewarded with an occasional conversation with the guards. Stellar behavior might earn a visit from family. But the default punishment should be complete segregation from society.
http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2318308&forum_id=2#23703508 |
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Date: July 23rd, 2013 4:57 PM Author: Coiffed razzle-dazzle personal credit line no studies to suggest draconian punishment works as deterrent.
Can't imagine any study could prove such a thing, anyway. too many variables and can't measure those who wouldve committed crime, but didnt, and why |
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Date: July 23rd, 2013 4:58 PM Author: Mauve Hideous Gas Station Wrinkle I speculated it might work as a deterrent. If it deters one person, that's good enough. If it didn't deter anyone, the appropriateness of the punishment for selfish, wicked people would be justification enough. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2319009&forum_id=2#23704766) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2013 5:12 PM Author: Maize bawdyhouse weed whacker if it deters one person, it's worth damaging lots of other people irreversibly, even some who are wrongfully convicted? and wrongful conviction does happen, especially for non-capital felonies. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2319009&forum_id=2#23704855) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2013 5:19 PM Author: Mauve Hideous Gas Station Wrinkle 1. Convicted felons deserve to be damaged irreversibly. There's nothing inherently unjust about the punishment.
2. Wrongful convictions are always possible under any system. Our current system punishes the wrongfully convicted much harsher than the hardened felons. You really think some mafia don is getting raped in prison showers? Of course not. It's usually people who are gentle and kind that suffer the worst abuse in our disgusting system. Every prison should induce fear, but we've outsourced that to criminals.
3. By contrast, solitary confinement would be less harsh for those who aren't hardened criminals, especially if good behavior earns limited interaction. But the narcissistic don used to victimizing others? He's suffering. Good. Hope he kills himself too. |
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Date: July 23rd, 2013 5:11 PM Author: glassy hateful casino idiot don't need studies to prove that draconian punishment works as a deterrent of course it works |
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Date: July 23rd, 2013 5:31 PM Author: Ruby trust fund spot sadism is not sufficient justification for punishment, if you do not hope to rehabilitate then you need to just execute them (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2319009&forum_id=2#23704959) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2013 5:35 PM Author: Mauve Hideous Gas Station Wrinkle Rehabilitation is the choice of the prisoner, not the State.
Given the possibility for error, execution should be confined to murder and treason.
The punishment should fit the crime. Solitary confinement is appropriate for selfish people who have ruined the lives of others. |
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Date: July 23rd, 2013 5:37 PM Author: Ruby trust fund spot lolno, the type of punishment is crucial to rehabilitation, that's why it's called rehabilitation
given the rates of suicide you're hoping for I fail to see the improvement over execution |
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Date: July 23rd, 2013 5:41 PM Author: Mauve Hideous Gas Station Wrinkle There's no such thing as rehabilitation. There's only free choice.
The suicide risk is overblown. Most won't kill themselves (unfortunately). It's the worst outcome for solitary confinement, but it's not that bad. |
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Date: July 23rd, 2013 6:31 PM Author: Chocolate Yarmulke LOL @ this bizarre Machiavellian shtick. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2319009&forum_id=2#23705340) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2013 6:40 PM Author: Mauve Hideous Gas Station Wrinkle What's wrong with Machiavelli? Modern democracy owes a huge debt to him. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2319009&forum_id=2#23705405) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2013 6:42 PM Author: Chocolate Yarmulke You are running a shtick. You are not being totally sincere. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2319009&forum_id=2#23705420) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2013 6:51 PM Author: Mauve Hideous Gas Station Wrinkle Of course I'm sincere. Why not answer the arguments instead of pretending to psychoanalyze? Because you can't. So just admit it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2319009&forum_id=2#23705495) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2013 4:56 PM Author: Stimulating menage selfie (non-lawyer who thinks all felonies are violent or weapons-related) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2319009&forum_id=2#23704752) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2013 4:57 PM Author: Mauve Hideous Gas Station Wrinkle I don't think that at all. I do think all felons are selfish and should be made to live in a world where that selfishness is ratified (i.e., solitary confinement). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2319009&forum_id=2#23704763) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2013 5:08 PM Author: Stimulating menage selfie So the real justification for punishment is 'selfishness'. Tell me more. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2319009&forum_id=2#23704818) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2013 5:11 PM Author: Mauve Hideous Gas Station Wrinkle People commit crimes because they're wicked and selfish, because they don't care about other people. Society has a right to respond with equivalent indifference. We'll keep you alive (unless you're a murderer or a traitor). You're still human. But you're not of us anymore.
It's that simple. |
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Date: July 23rd, 2013 5:16 PM Author: Stimulating menage selfie So now it's no longer about felonies but committing crimes in general?
Do you speed? Do you have prescriptions in your bathroom or kitchen that are expired? Have you ever uttered an obscenity or sneezed in public? If so, please turn yourself in and at trial request the kind of punishment that you would like to see inflicted on others. |
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Date: July 23rd, 2013 5:21 PM Author: Mauve Hideous Gas Station Wrinkle What an asinine argument. It's still about felonies, because these are the most serious crimes. But yes, even misdemeanors have their root in selfishness--they're just not as monstrous as felonies are. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2319009&forum_id=2#23704902) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2013 5:28 PM Author: Stimulating menage selfie I'm no longer arguing against your position, because frankly it's beneath me. However, it is almost certainly true that you have committed a felony at some point in your life. Please get2jail and allow yourself to be irreversibly damaged tyia
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Date: July 23rd, 2013 5:30 PM Author: Mauve Hideous Gas Station Wrinkle You're not arguing against my position because you have no arguments, faggot. It's a completely transparent feint. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2319009&forum_id=2#23704948) |
Date: July 23rd, 2013 4:53 PM Author: Opaque address newt shitlibs love invoking narratives about regular socialization to retain "humanity" - fucking shitlibs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2319009&forum_id=2#23704729) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2013 5:30 PM Author: Mauve Hideous Gas Station Wrinkle "Socialization" = prison yard fights. Fuck that shit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2319009&forum_id=2#23704954) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2013 10:31 PM Author: Opaque address newt shitlibs literally prefer that whitey in jail for marijuana dealing should experience the "holistic multicultural diversity" of rectum eviscerating butthold sex by BUFF AS FUARKKKK murderous rapist thugs w/ the same level of empathy as monitor lizard. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2319009&forum_id=2#23707153) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2013 4:53 PM Author: Coiffed razzle-dazzle personal credit line Yes. You'd have to give them all life sentences because you would not want them released. They'd be crazy as fuck.
Five or ten or twenty years in solitary breaks your brain, man. If you're arguing for life sentences for all felonies and solitary, might as well just kill 'em.
By the way felonies include: driving with license suspended (third offense), possession of prescribed medicine with expired Rx, etc. |
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Date: July 23rd, 2013 4:54 PM Author: Ruby trust fund spot annnnnnnnd, I'm a felon, again (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2319009&forum_id=2#23704736) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2013 4:56 PM Author: Coiffed razzle-dazzle personal credit line copped dat cialis online? felon.
drove some weed over state line? felon.
inadvertently clicked on some 17yo porn? felon mfe. |
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Date: July 23rd, 2013 5:02 PM Author: Mauve Hideous Gas Station Wrinkle LOL, the recidivism argument you made is so stupid. Our current prisons *reward* criminality and brutality. The only way to survive the yard is by becoming vicious.
Solitary confinement leaves people cracked, but let's get real here: these people are already human garbage.
And as I pointed out, solitary confinement rarely leaves people violent after they're broken. When they do become violent, it's almost always entirely self-directed.
I'd say that's an improvement. Who cares if some trashy criminal hangs himself after release? Good fucking riddance. |
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Date: July 23rd, 2013 4:57 PM Author: Stimulating menage selfie cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2319009&forum_id=2#23704759) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2013 5:02 PM Author: Mauve Hideous Gas Station Wrinkle (guy who thinks our current prison system doesn't do the same) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2319009&forum_id=2#23704792) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2013 6:46 PM Author: maniacal haunted graveyard cuck "possession of prescribed medicine with expired Rx" WTF IS THIS BOOMER DOCTOR/PHARMACIST RACKETEERING BULLSHIT I get rx for something in 3-month bottles. You're telling me if I miss ten doses while on vacation and at the end of 3-mo have ten pills left, I'm committing a felon? FUCKING OBAMA'S BOOMER AMERICA |
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Date: July 23rd, 2013 4:54 PM Author: cerebral school cafeteria blood rage solitary confinement is torture (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2319009&forum_id=2#23704735) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2013 4:56 PM Author: Mauve Hideous Gas Station Wrinkle All punishment is torture. At least solitary confinement doesn't coddle hardened criminals. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2319009&forum_id=2#23704753) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2013 4:56 PM Author: Cyan Gaming Laptop Toilet Seat it's not good if you intend to ever release them, because it causes insanity. it'd be better to move from panopticon big-jailhouse model prisons (where inmates can yell at each other and interact with guys from all throughout the facility) to a "hallway" model with just a few cells each, isolated by sound-dampened doors, with separate small shower facilities and everything.
that way, you interact with other prisoners, but only the dudes in your own small hallway. japan rather famously uses this model in some of its jails. it fits into the whole shinto aesthetic of calmness and control. |
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Date: July 23rd, 2013 5:09 PM Author: Mauve Hideous Gas Station Wrinkle 1. You haven't read any of the literature on solitary confinement. Isolated small groups are the *worst* for mental health outcomes; it becomes dog-eat-dog very quickly because each prisoner has a shot at becoming the alpha. No fucking surprise the Japs would adopt this shitty model.
2. By contrast, solitary confinement does produce insanity, but it also eventually produces docility. Violence is rare and almost exclusively self-directed (I don't care if a felon kills himself). |
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Date: July 23rd, 2013 5:11 PM Author: Cyan Gaming Laptop Toilet Seat i don't think you understand. the japanese inmates are still confined to their cells unless they are on the job or doing some other specific, authorized activity. they can't assault or intimidate one another, because they don't have the opportunity. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2319009&forum_id=2#23704844) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2013 5:13 PM Author: Mauve Hideous Gas Station Wrinkle I don't think you understand that any opportunity for interaction is an opportunity for intimidation and assault. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2319009&forum_id=2#23704857) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2013 5:15 PM Author: Cyan Gaming Laptop Toilet Seat how so? the hallways are actively monitored by guards, and unruly inmates are placed into stress positions/isolation boxes for hours on end. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2319009&forum_id=2#23704866) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2013 5:24 PM Author: Mauve Hideous Gas Station Wrinkle "To be sure, fights among inmates do happen, as Takashi Akemitsu can attest. Mr. Akemitsu, 69, who has spent nearly four decades in different prisons in Japan, was first jailed for theft and later killed another inmate in a fight."
http://www.nytimes.com/1996/07/08/world/prisons-in-japan-are-safe-but-harsh.html
We're quibbling about a minor difference here. I think this system is better than ours, but I still think mine is best. |
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Date: July 23rd, 2013 5:11 PM Author: Stimulating menage selfie And things would be even better if non-violent offenders were allowed back into the world under a Mark Kleiman-esque regime of GPS tracking and strict work/life routines with minor but swiftly administered punishments for violations.
But that isn't cruel enough to sate the average American voter. |
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Date: July 23rd, 2013 5:12 PM Author: Mauve Hideous Gas Station Wrinkle I'm not interested in tracking every fucking detail of some lowlife's existence. Lock them in a cell, give them a shitter and some clean clothes, dump food and water when needed, and leave them alone. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2319009&forum_id=2#23704853) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2013 5:13 PM Author: Stimulating menage selfie lol who gives a shit what you're 'interested' in faggot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2319009&forum_id=2#23704856) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2013 5:25 PM Author: Mauve Hideous Gas Station Wrinkle Ditto, faggot. It's a waste of public resources, and there's no benefit gained from this enormous investment in tracking. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2319009&forum_id=2#23704924) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2013 5:15 PM Author: Coiffed razzle-dazzle personal credit line Srsly, the Australia model was the best. And its not like we've run out of uninhabited but inhabitable far away places.
Serious criminal? One way ticket. Maybe you'll create a civilization over there. |
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Date: July 23rd, 2013 5:17 PM Author: Maize bawdyhouse weed whacker Yeah, their model worked so well it produced Hitler. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2319009&forum_id=2#23704882) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2013 5:46 PM Author: Mauve Hideous Gas Station Wrinkle (low IQ shtick) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2319009&forum_id=2#23705041) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2013 5:43 PM Author: heady lilac friendly grandma creeppumo needs to stfu (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2319009&forum_id=2#23705027) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2013 5:44 PM Author: cerebral school cafeteria blood rage is that who this weird faggot is (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2319009&forum_id=2#23705031) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2013 5:45 PM Author: Mauve Hideous Gas Station Wrinkle I take that as No, you don't have any serious arguments against solitary confinement for felons.
Thanks for playing. |
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Date: July 23rd, 2013 5:47 PM Author: cerebral school cafeteria blood rage sorry, i am selective about the weird faggots i argue with (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2319009&forum_id=2#23705047) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2013 5:53 PM Author: Mauve Hideous Gas Station Wrinkle No, you're not. You're just a coward. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2319009&forum_id=2#23705082) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2013 5:54 PM Author: cerebral school cafeteria blood rage that's a new one. i'm not interested in arguing with you though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2319009&forum_id=2#23705088) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2013 5:59 PM Author: Mauve Hideous Gas Station Wrinkle Of course not. You just clicked on this thread and submitted a shitty half-justification for your indefensible position because you're a faggot. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2319009&forum_id=2#23705115) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2013 6:49 PM Author: maniacal haunted graveyard cuck lol @ opposing blanket solitary for all felons being "indefensible"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2319009&forum_id=2#23705483) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2013 6:52 PM Author: Mauve Hideous Gas Station Wrinkle Then defend it. No one in this thread has. They've just crowed loudly about how they *could* defend it. Paper tigers, all of you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2319009&forum_id=2#23705502) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2013 5:55 PM Author: Mind-boggling University Lettuce lol good call, why would that fucking faggot keep coming back after his reputation has been reduced to ashers (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2319009&forum_id=2#23705095) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2013 10:13 PM Author: Bistre Mentally Impaired Area dunno about you guys but id rather share the world with felons (many of whom are guilty of dumb drug-related shit - how is that "evil" or "selfish"?) than a scary, sadistic person like the op
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Date: July 23rd, 2013 10:14 PM Author: black rough-skinned sanctuary Honestly, no one cares (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2319009&forum_id=2#23706995) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2013 11:02 PM Author: Mauve Hideous Gas Station Wrinkle Spend a month in prison, you coddled twit. My guess is they'll rape you on the first day, and you'd deserve it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2319009&forum_id=2#23707429) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2013 11:11 PM Author: Bistre Mentally Impaired Area youre a psycho (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2319009&forum_id=2#23707504) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2013 11:17 PM Author: Mauve Hideous Gas Station Wrinkle I'm a realist about criminals. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2319009&forum_id=2#23707565) |
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