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One wrong 90's prediction: Mexican music did NOT converge w/rap
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Date: August 16th, 2013 1:58 AM Author: coral stage if you go back to the late 90's, there were a series of mexican bands such as control machete, molotov, and plastilina mosh which incorporated rap elements into their albums. argentine band Illya Kuryaki & The Valderramas did an album with bootsy collins which produced the 1999 global superhit "jennifer del estero":
the thinking was, rap and mexican/latin music are going to converge, and that will be the new direction of latin music generally.
that did not happen AT ALL in mexico. there was some convergence with caribbean hispanics (reggaeton, etc.), but mexicans actually RETRENCHED deep into regionalism - that meant horns, accordions, mexican big bands, and the "corrido" style of languid storytelling-singing.
rather than rap hybrids, THIS is kind of music which came to dominate the northern mexican "scene" by the mid-2000's:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pj3VZZS2nzw#t=10s
rather than adopting a cholo/hip-hop clothing style, modern mexican gangbangers look like preppy cowboys:
http://i2.listal.com/image/2304587/600full-valentin-elizalde.jpg
mexicans in the US are occasional consumers of rap, but that was actually more of a "chicano" thing popular among "integrated" mexican-americans. many mexicans in the US regard rap as completely foreign, and prefer their own concerts/festivals with lineups like this:
http://a1.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/17/cfd02c725d2f481b9ae06b5eb6bc0925/l.jpg
it's an interesting failure of a predicted trend, and not one i have seen remarked upon very much at all. |
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Date: August 25th, 2013 10:47 PM Author: racy toaster "Larry" Hernandez, lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2337602&forum_id=2#23932390) |
Date: August 16th, 2013 3:59 PM Author: coral stage another related thwarted trend is the "latin crossover" song, at least so far as it involved mexicans. you can shape an enrique iglesias song for the non-hispanic american market, but try doing that with many of mexico's current most popular bands:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVlAmP-KDT4 |
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Date: August 25th, 2013 10:27 PM Author: coral stage http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4mDObUoMyI (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2337602&forum_id=2#23932254) |
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Date: August 25th, 2013 10:48 PM Author: nighttime volcanic crater The real question: why don't more American rappers incorporate horns and accordions into their act? How 180 would that be? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2337602&forum_id=2#23932400) |
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Date: August 25th, 2013 11:02 PM Author: coral stage it's an arcane bit of sociology. but considering all the political implications of "hispanics," i think it's good to note just how continuously wrong mainstream "commentators" have been about the nature and habits of mexicans in america.
from what i can see, a good deal of the top "hispanic" political consultants on both sides are cubans. cubans are less than 4% of america's hispanic population, while mexicans alone are almost 2/3rds.
these are some sub rosa trends, because - after all - who really pays attention to mexicans? but there sure are a lot of them, in america... |
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Date: August 25th, 2013 11:04 PM Author: lavender bawdyhouse every mexican i know considers cubans to be almost entirely separate, culturally. same goes with regards to puerto ricans. and dominicans? lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2337602&forum_id=2#23932535) |
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Date: August 25th, 2013 11:08 PM Author: coral stage the caribs really don't converge at all with mexicans or central americans. the closest they get is when mexicans watch some of the shows from miami on univision. but even then, the main joy in such an endeavor is to identify their differences and mock them.
colombia has been marketing san andres (a caribbean island) as a beach vacation alternative to mexicans and central americans so that they don't have to travel "all the way" to the DR or puerto rico. |
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Date: August 25th, 2013 11:24 PM Author: lavender bawdyhouse http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2cMG33mWVY (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2337602&forum_id=2#23932666) |
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Date: September 9th, 2013 7:03 PM Author: coral stage here's the latest super-hit from banda el recodo, released a few days ago:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXa8LjXNshs
they filmed the video in NYC this time. the sound, though, remains thoroughly mexican. |
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