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Are doctors on average stupid but hardworking?
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Date: September 14th, 2013 3:50 AM Author: henna vivacious codepig This is apparently what most of my friends, mainly techies, think. They believe that med students just spend 99% of their time memorizing shit, which they merely regurgitate as doctors, and don't have to use logic at all in their work. Credited opinion? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2362108&forum_id=2#24047980) |
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Date: September 14th, 2013 3:51 AM Author: Histrionic location selfie PEOPLE IN SPORTTTS ARE THE MOST RETARDED (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2362108&forum_id=2#24047988) |
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Date: September 14th, 2013 3:52 AM Author: henna vivacious codepig Yeah but SOOOOOOOOOO much richer (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2362108&forum_id=2#24047990) |
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Date: September 14th, 2013 4:02 AM Author: Histrionic location selfie NOT ALL OF THEM THEY BLOW IT FAGGOTS (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2362108&forum_id=2#24048014) |
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Date: September 14th, 2013 4:51 AM Author: Blathering forum Doctors fuck up a lot more than you would expect given the supposed difficulty of getting into med school. Premed students seem to be of above average intelligence (within a good college), but they seem to be somewhat less creative than average. Doctors are pretty smart but not as smart as most people think they are. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2362108&forum_id=2#24048062) |
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Date: September 14th, 2013 5:06 AM Author: metal hairraiser bawdyhouse main people 120 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2362108&forum_id=2#24048068) |
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Date: September 14th, 2013 5:37 AM Author: Blathering forum ?
Doctors are mostly pretty competent strivers, but the real stars went to other fields. Maybe things have been different in the last 5 years, though. |
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Date: September 14th, 2013 5:53 AM Author: metal hairraiser bawdyhouse main people 'but the real stars went to other fields'
lmao. Name those other fields. |
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Date: September 14th, 2013 6:03 AM Author: Exciting indigo coffee pot blood rage Like, a director of the local KKK chapter (fucklaw) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2362108&forum_id=2#24048074) |
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Date: September 21st, 2013 8:30 PM Author: haunting senate Or fulltime Poaster (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2362108&forum_id=2#24089557) |
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Date: September 14th, 2013 1:01 PM Author: henna vivacious codepig Physics, math, actuaries. Most of the "smart" people I knew went and got PhDs and taught or did research. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2362108&forum_id=2#24048746) |
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Date: September 15th, 2013 6:06 PM Author: Emerald Twisted Native Friendly Grandma Oh yes of course, nothing more intellectual than the actuary (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2362108&forum_id=2#24055983) |
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Date: September 21st, 2013 5:20 PM Author: Marvelous Pocket Flask tbh its a pretty common path for a smart person who wants to work asap. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2362108&forum_id=2#24088705) |
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Date: September 21st, 2013 5:25 PM Author: bateful university Lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2362108&forum_id=2#24088726) |
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Date: September 21st, 2013 7:38 PM Author: henna vivacious codepig well actuaries are for math phds who want decent paying jobs. I know a couple math phds from MIT/caltech who are actuaries. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2362108&forum_id=2#24089348) |
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Date: September 15th, 2013 4:07 PM Author: Blathering forum hard science phds, finance
You think many of the real stars went to med school? Maybe things have changed a lot in the past decade, but back then they really didn't. |
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Date: September 15th, 2013 6:06 PM Author: Emerald Twisted Native Friendly Grandma You have it the other way around (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2362108&forum_id=2#24055981) |
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Date: September 25th, 2014 4:55 PM Author: copper aromatic parlor toilet seat these days? oil and gas. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2362108&forum_id=2#26396474) |
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Date: September 21st, 2013 5:10 PM Author: Indecent Comical Locus Law, medicine, and science are aspirations. Finance is not an aspiration, its something people fall into because they dont find their calling elsewhere or because the only thing they care about is $$$$
Seriously, when's the last time you heard a high school valedictorian declare that they wanted to be a banker when they grew up?
Science PhDs are obviously the smartest. Furthermore they are harder working than everybody else including the finance guys. |
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Date: September 21st, 2013 7:37 PM Author: henna vivacious codepig fair point. Obviously smartest go into hard science PhDs (from good schools at least). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2362108&forum_id=2#24089344) |
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Date: September 25th, 2014 1:28 PM Author: Passionate angry skinny woman property lol at biglaw being an aspiration (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2362108&forum_id=2#26394976) |
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Date: September 25th, 2014 5:56 PM Author: Vigorous public bath puppy This is probably credited. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2362108&forum_id=2#26396827) |
Date: September 14th, 2013 8:55 AM Author: Canary Seedy Idea He Suggested Not stupid but not super smart. Of the people I knew who went to med school, none were super geniuses. The smarter ones all went into tech or finance. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2362108&forum_id=2#24048158) |
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Date: September 14th, 2013 1:03 PM Author: henna vivacious codepig Or PhDs to teach or research in my experience.
I guess biggest shocker for me was when I found out the quarterback of our high school football team (a real dumbass) is now a doctor (white, so not AA admit). After I knew he got in, I stopped taking the profession seriously. |
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Date: September 21st, 2013 7:55 PM Author: Ruby office yeah you really got the last laugh didn't you (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2362108&forum_id=2#24089403) |
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Date: September 21st, 2013 8:32 PM Author: henna vivacious codepig huh? he's probably a family med doctor...lols (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2362108&forum_id=2#24089571) |
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Date: September 25th, 2014 1:28 PM Author: buff theater then that means he's not that smart. family med is for DOs and TTT MDs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2362108&forum_id=2#26394978) |
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Date: September 26th, 2014 12:21 AM Author: henna vivacious codepig Ok, fair point.
Also some dumb girl I know (who was hard working) is now in internal medicine. That's also TTT right? |
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Date: September 14th, 2013 9:00 AM Author: Fear-inspiring set As a profession medicine attracts smarter people than tech because there is more quality control. Dumb doctors are tolerated less than dumb engineers to the point that they aren't allowed to become doctors.
http://www.iqcomparisonsite.com/occupations.aspx
Whether that IQ is wasted on medical practice is another question. |
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Date: September 14th, 2013 11:55 AM Author: Ivory place of business this is simply a useless chart comparing a group of people with doctorates with people with BS degrees.
A valid comparison would be MDs with JDs and PhDs in the respective fields.. or even MS for tech dudes.. I think you'll find the MDs are what the OP suggested.. dumb and hardworking. |
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Date: September 25th, 2014 9:57 AM Author: Galvanic scarlet address It's not a useless chart at all. The question posed was "Are doctors smart?" The answer is yes, they generally fall in the 110 - 130 IQ range. They're not universally geniuses, but they're certainly what most would consider "smart." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2362108&forum_id=2#26393760) |
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Date: September 14th, 2013 11:47 AM Author: fragrant flushed son of senegal a lot of them are really pretty smart, bro (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2362108&forum_id=2#24048561) |
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Date: September 14th, 2013 12:57 PM Author: drab exhilarant school Not stupid but they are typically of pretty middling intelligence.
Hard work is always >>>> intelligence though. Plenty of T14 slackers are smarter than the average doc but in a much worse position. |
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Date: September 14th, 2013 1:05 PM Author: henna vivacious codepig True, I went to a T14 and some of my friends are still unemployed. I know they're smarter than people I know who became doctors (better test takers) but they didn't do so well in T-14 cause they were lazy plus the economy tanked when I was in law school, and now they are fucked. It's really shitty since I know they could have easily made it in some other profession that isn't so GPA curve based on hiring and isn't so fucked job-wise. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2362108&forum_id=2#24048763) |
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Date: September 21st, 2013 8:40 PM Author: bright home jew FYI
Getting top grades at a T14 better yet T25 is harder thank matriculating through med school |
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Date: September 21st, 2013 8:46 PM Author: rough-skinned feces why are you comparing top grades for law students to the bare minimum for medical? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2362108&forum_id=2#24089657) |
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Date: September 25th, 2014 1:34 PM Author: gay diverse ticket booth queen of the night LOL no. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2362108&forum_id=2#26395008) |
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Date: September 26th, 2014 12:23 AM Author: henna vivacious codepig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2362108&forum_id=2#26399780) |
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Date: September 21st, 2013 8:43 PM Author: aqua stimulating cruise ship police squad They are above average but engineers and scientists make the best doctors and method is king among them all. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2362108&forum_id=2#24089636) |
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Date: September 21st, 2013 8:44 PM Author: Well-lubricated 180 Potus Depressive no, most of them are smart. proly on the same level as T14ers (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2362108&forum_id=2#24089648) |
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Date: September 21st, 2013 8:46 PM Author: rough-skinned feces lawyers are the smartest people in the world (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2362108&forum_id=2#24089662) |
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Date: September 25th, 2014 9:02 AM Author: aggressive sandwich dysfunction When I was in UG at an ivy the white doodz went into business/finance and pre-med was filled with asians and women. This may have changed with ITE. I think people are more interested in tech now. Also if you want to go into med school i think being a non-aspie White Guy gets you some form of AA.
Premed isn't really that hard. Physics is the most conceptually difficult class for most memorization junkies who major in bio etc. Orgo is like bio, all memorization. Med school is all memorization and multiple choice shit. People who struggled at my UG premed ended up dominating med school. I think it's easier than law school personally because it's just recognition memory.
Computer science, engineering, quant finance are harder. |
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Date: September 25th, 2014 9:14 AM Author: light church macaca How long before Watson > doctors re diagnosis and prescription? Then it will be essentially a blue collar job. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2362108&forum_id=2#26393569) |
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Date: September 25th, 2014 9:21 AM Author: aggressive sandwich dysfunction I think there will always be some form of human "check" given our lawsuit happy society, but it's very possible that technological changes could change the demand for PCP's, pediatricians, etc. Mid level PA's and DNP's are already infringing on that territory.
Surgeons will not be replaced anytime in our lifetime, but you could not pay me enough to deal with that kind of physical exhaustion and stress on a daily basis. |
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Date: September 26th, 2014 12:24 AM Author: henna vivacious codepig Guy I know had a C 1L year at T-14; was below average 1L year; 3.7 in bullshit liberal arts major at undergrad.
Then he decided to go to medical school and had to do all of his premed reqs after law school. Got a 4.0 in premed classes and is now doing well in med school. |
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Date: September 25th, 2014 9:22 AM Author: Spectacular idiot faggotry anyone going to a US accredited med school (not DO school) is smarter and harder working than the average T25 law student or banking analyst.
a DO going into family medicine is shockingly unimpressive. among MD's, there is a wide gap between those scraping by who are relegated to shit residencies vs. those going to the most competitive programs and specialties. but MD >>>>>>>>> JD sorry lawfags |
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Date: September 25th, 2014 9:24 AM Author: aggressive sandwich dysfunction I don't know about that. the people who got hired for IBD or MBB, and at that time (mid 00's), went to HYS law from my school were really, really impressive. This was only out of undergrad though, MBA jobs are a lot easier to come by.
Obviously MD>JD, but to make the blanket statement that MD students are smarter than banking analysts is absolutely absurd, unless you're talking about some dood hanging out at Capital One in McLean. DO schools are also getting more competitive... my buddy's fiance went to NYCOM over Albany Med so she could stay in NYC. She does peds though and there are tons of DOs in peds so noone gives a shit. |
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Date: September 25th, 2014 10:07 AM Author: light church macaca Doctors used to be smarter. But the tech and finance boom during the past 30 years has lured the elite away. Better pay, status, more interesting work. Compare master of the universe or tech titan to putting your fingers up some prole's asshole. Good dood geniuses become tech entrepreneurs or stem researchers. Diuche geniuses go into finance, exec.
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Date: September 25th, 2014 1:35 PM Author: gay diverse ticket booth queen of the night LOL no one impressive goes to law school. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2362108&forum_id=2#26395020) |
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Date: September 26th, 2014 9:36 AM Author: concupiscible abode this was early 00's, after the first bubble popped, before the new tech boom. I think the valedictorian of my ivy was a math major who went to YLS. i knew a lot of STEM types who went to HYS for god knows what reason, and I have no idea what they are doing now. different times bro. obviously no one goes to law school now, but last decade they definitely did. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2362108&forum_id=2#26400976) |
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Date: September 26th, 2014 9:51 AM Author: aggressive sandwich dysfunction I find it upsetting that our former brightest young minds are wasting away in the fucking Latham Capital Markets department. The best thing about the implosion of the legal "profession" is that it is no longer a talent suck from other fields. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2362108&forum_id=2#26401049) |
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Date: September 25th, 2014 10:42 AM Author: naked stage dragon while a DO may be shockingly unimpressive, the biggest mouthbreathing idiot at Kirksville Osteopathic who slides into a FM medicine residency at Allegheny Hospital will fare better than 99% of lawlyers. |
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Date: September 25th, 2014 2:54 PM Author: heady point To become an IB analyst at a BB bank, one needs either to be extremely well-connected or to have PBK and the Econ-Math double major from a tip-top university.
These days, 3.75/168 guarantees admission to GULC, Cornell, Duke, and Michigan.
To earn admission to ANY accredited med school, one needs, what, 3.4/32 from a top-ish private university? |
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Date: September 26th, 2014 12:06 AM Author: aggressive sandwich dysfunction lol no. Maybe ITE but there was a time when Lehman (lol) was hiring cum laude liberal arts shitheads from dartmouth. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2362108&forum_id=2#26399664) |
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Date: September 26th, 2014 12:58 AM Author: heady point Your time has passed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2362108&forum_id=2#26400012) |
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Date: September 26th, 2014 12:27 AM Author: henna vivacious codepig Guy I know went to a T-14. Got a C 1L year. ended up below average; had a 3.7 in bullshit liberal arts.
He decided to go to med school. Got a 4.0 in premed classes. Got into med school the first time he applied and is doing well in it.
Med school is overrated. |
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Date: September 26th, 2014 12:29 AM Author: buff theater this brilliant anecdotal example was definitely worth poasting 3 times. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2362108&forum_id=2#26399809) |
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Date: September 26th, 2014 12:32 AM Author: henna vivacious codepig BE PROUD SON (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2362108&forum_id=2#26399832) |
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Date: September 25th, 2014 9:24 AM Author: Gold beady-eyed bbw Average is probably a 3.8/166 grinder who would have ended up at Cornell Law or something otherwise. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2362108&forum_id=2#26393602) |
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Date: September 25th, 2014 1:21 PM Author: Ocher irradiated chad rehab Sounds right. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2362108&forum_id=2#26394934) |
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Date: September 25th, 2014 5:52 PM Author: Fuchsia soul-stirring hunting ground den lol Cornell law has a yearly cost of attendance of like 95K now. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2362108&forum_id=2#26396790) |
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Date: September 25th, 2014 10:14 AM Author: Turquoise sadistic brethren Not surprised that you're hearing this from a bunch of techies. Engineers and programmers are the most insufferable when it comes to thinking they're smarter than everybody else. Worse than lawyers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2362108&forum_id=2#26393861) |
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Date: September 25th, 2014 10:22 AM Author: aggressive sandwich dysfunction The thing is they are smarter than everyone else. I thought computer science was hard as shit when I took it in college, but a lot of people in the class had been "programming" since they were 12. It was harder than anything else I took (math, physics, chem).
I think Comp Sci/EE can either be a great career or a shitty one. Older people tend to flame out and either go into business or become unemployed. Shit gets outsourced. The lucky ones start/join startups and make $$$$$$$$$ at a young age. I have a lot of computer engineers in my family and they made mostly shit money and got laid off in their 40s/50s. My dad was a lawlyer and ended up faring better, but that was a different generation. |
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Date: September 26th, 2014 12:27 AM Author: henna vivacious codepig This
My smartest friends by far are engineers |
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Date: September 25th, 2014 10:16 AM Author: dun chapel useless brakes If they went to a real medical school, they're smart. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2362108&forum_id=2#26393874) |
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Date: September 25th, 2014 10:41 AM Author: naked stage dragon Med school is like what law school used to be for T10ish students. A pretty reasonable guarantee on graduate education investment for the extremely risk averse, reasonably intelligent, and hardworking.
I find medicine interesting on paper but I'd never want to do that shit in real life. I have no interest in draining some old man's diabetic foot wound at 4AM or sticking my fingers in someone's asshole. I had to get a vaccination record from my old pediatrician's office (lol) adn being around those fucking screaming kids made me want to killself |
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Date: September 25th, 2014 1:34 PM Author: Charismatic Glassy Brunch Highly cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2362108&forum_id=2#26395016) |
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Date: September 26th, 2014 12:33 AM Author: henna vivacious codepig I hate being around sick people, especially kids, since I'm sort of OCD. Kids touch everything and they are nasty. I remember sitting in a doctor's office with a bunch of sick kids (the family doc shared an office with the pediatrician). I left before my appointment and made another one with another doctor.
What I want to do: spend my independent wealth
Who the fuck wants to work a career if they dont have to. Being a doctor is like being a better paid janitor. |
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Date: September 25th, 2014 1:30 PM Author: Medicated pisswyrm mother they are smart, non-creative types. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2362108&forum_id=2#26394989) |
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Date: September 25th, 2014 1:40 PM Author: gay diverse ticket booth queen of the night Holy shit the people in this thread are jealous.
Whether doctors are as smart as STEM types is up for debate, but they're definitely smarter than lawyers, even lawyers from "prestigious" law schools. Getting into ANY American med school is as hard as getting into a T14 law school.
Truly smart and talented people never go into law, it's just for people who strived hard for good grades in UG and aren't smart, creative or sociable enough to land another type of job (there are no pre-requisites, it doesn't require any specific major and law schools don't care about work experience). So law schools are filled with boring striver aspies. Doctors have to do well in years of hard pre-requisites and be normal and sociable enough to do well in interviews (again, no interviews required for ls). There's no comparison. |
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Date: September 25th, 2014 3:01 PM Author: Medicated pisswyrm mother lol. if xo is an accurate reflection of lawyers' social skills, they would absolutely kill it in med school interviews. chill, fratty, scholarly and compassionate. compare that with some stiff ESL NOWIG med school hopeful. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2362108&forum_id=2#26395711) |
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Date: September 25th, 2014 4:53 PM Author: Mewling piazza ceo The people I knew who went into medicine were grinders. They weren't "dumb," but they also weren't anywhere near the brightest of my friends. But they were by the far hardest workers and most driven. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2362108&forum_id=2#26396467) |
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Date: September 25th, 2014 5:00 PM Author: Carmine church building The smartest people in my hs went like this:
30% engineering 30% communications (movie director/writers/artists/marketing related stuff) 20% Finance/accounting 10% Medicine
The majority of people I see today as doctors were completely average in intelligence. Not a single genius ended up a doctor. |
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Date: September 26th, 2014 12:20 AM Author: henna vivacious codepig The smartest in my school ended up as engineers or went into academia (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2362108&forum_id=2#26399763) |
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Date: September 25th, 2014 5:43 PM Author: Vermilion Lascivious Library Gay Wizard Doctors are highly trained and very specialized.
They don't have to do anything they haven't practiced doing 100 times. |
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Date: September 25th, 2014 5:45 PM Author: Floppy brass stead generally competent, hardworking, with good MEMORIES. most don't have dat RAW INTELLECTUAL HORSEPOWER dough (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2362108&forum_id=2#26396726) |
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Date: September 25th, 2014 5:54 PM Author: irate azure private investor range yeah... lots of people say this. I think it's just an expression of insecurity and jelly. Doctors are obviously hardworking. saying that they're "stupid" is just absurd. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2362108&forum_id=2#26396807) |
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Date: September 26th, 2014 12:29 AM Author: buff theater (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2362108&forum_id=2#26399815) |
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Date: September 25th, 2014 7:33 PM Author: Adventurous really tough guy Judging by the number of azns involved, yes. They're basically mechanics for humans. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2362108&forum_id=2#26397584) |
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Date: September 25th, 2014 7:41 PM Author: Outnumbered violent national reading party med school = trade school for 125+ IQs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2362108&forum_id=2#26397640) |
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Date: September 25th, 2014 7:49 PM Author: aggressive sandwich dysfunction seriously tho, why are there so few fratty chill white bros in medical school? It seems to me like the few of these I knew got into med school a lot easier than the typical asian/indian gunner. med students are the aspiest bunch I've met. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2362108&forum_id=2#26397710) |
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Date: September 25th, 2014 7:59 PM Author: concupiscible abode (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2362108&forum_id=2#26397799) |
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Date: September 26th, 2014 9:39 AM Author: khaki idiotic black woman garrison Just look for the future ortho residents, bro. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2362108&forum_id=2#26400986) |
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Date: September 26th, 2014 11:20 AM Author: naked stage dragon becuase med school and medicine , esp. surgery like ortho is about as unchill as you can get. Every single day on the job you can fuck up and ruin someone's life or kill them, and get sued and destroyed. a pediatrician where I grew up lost something like a 15 million dollar trial and it wasn't really clear that he did anything wrong, but the proles on the jury see a disabled baby and its working class mom and sympathize with them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2362108&forum_id=2#26401507) |
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Date: September 26th, 2014 12:27 AM Author: Dashing Fishy Fortuitous Meteor moist of the guys I knew who got into med school were legacy and had middlin intelligence.
Im skeptical of so called 'family practitioner', cuz most of them would have become teachers or social works if they had not gotten a place in med skool thanks to dad |
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Date: September 29th, 2014 8:48 AM Author: disturbing claret trust fund international law enforcement agency By the grace of Allah, the persian polymath scholar avicenna has spoken:
"Medicine is no hard and thorny science, like mathematics and metaphysics, so I soon made great progress; I became an excellent doctor and began to treat patients, using approved remedies." |
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Date: September 29th, 2014 8:52 AM Author: Hyperactive Plaza hope not (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2362108&forum_id=2#26420221) |