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In-house market terrible right now
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Date: November 5th, 2013 3:42 PM Author: bistre deer antler box office I've been casually looking for about a year or so, and I don't remember it being this bad at any time in the last 12 mos. Just no in-house spots coming open. Also, talked to an in-house bro yesterday about a recent positing. He said they got over 200 apps in the first week. Wtf. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#24376202) |
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Date: November 5th, 2013 3:42 PM Author: ruby wonderful faggot firefighter it has been horrendous. They interview tons of people but hire no one. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#24376206) |
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Date: November 6th, 2013 8:51 AM Author: contagious crackhouse alpha welcome to corporate world (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#24381596) |
Date: November 5th, 2013 3:42 PM Author: Maniacal bateful area do you have cs/ee?
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Date: November 5th, 2013 4:16 PM Author: razzmatazz hunting ground library Sooooooo its just like all the other markets, (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#24376448) |
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Date: November 5th, 2013 5:07 PM Author: bistre deer antler box office Firm lateral hires have been fine for my practice area and level. In house has been a disaster though bro. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#24376816) |
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Date: November 5th, 2013 5:42 PM Author: razzmatazz hunting ground library What region you in? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#24377046) |
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Date: November 5th, 2013 6:10 PM Author: bistre deer antler box office Won't specify due to doobs, but it's a secondary city (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#24377358) |
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Date: November 5th, 2013 4:17 PM Author: Beady-eyed half-breed old irish cottage its the end of the year, bonuses etc (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#24376458) |
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Date: November 5th, 2013 5:38 PM Author: Lascivious Foreskin It's brutal, but it has been for a while. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#24377023) |
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Date: November 5th, 2013 5:40 PM Author: Azure laughsome laser beams dilemma whats the credited move, then, if i need another gig in 60 days? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#24377033) |
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Date: November 5th, 2013 5:43 PM Author: Lascivious Foreskin Port Authority, blowjobs, etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#24377052) |
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Date: November 5th, 2013 5:48 PM Author: Maniacal bateful area Wait, what? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#24377159) |
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Date: November 6th, 2013 9:07 AM Author: Amber Rebellious Orchestra Pit Pepper thy angus (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#24381632) |
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Date: November 5th, 2013 5:50 PM Author: Mahogany Godawful Step-uncle's House Stock Car Not only is it bad, but they seemingly interview like 50 people for every spot, so even if you get an interview, just based on the randomness of the interview process your odds aren't good. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#24377196) |
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Date: November 5th, 2013 6:11 PM Author: bistre deer antler box office This is my experience. Not even getting call backs for jobs I would've turned down 6 mos ago. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#24377364) |
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Date: November 5th, 2013 6:14 PM Author: Mahogany Godawful Step-uncle's House Stock Car I've heard horror stories from people who have been looking during the past year.
When a firm interviews for a slot, they will only bring in someone if they are a likely candidate, but they won't keep interviewing people. If they find someone who has the qualifications and has a good interview, assuming they have a need, they will make the hire.
In-house they seem to just do massive amounts of interviews for a position. So not only do you have the potential chance of losing to someone with worse credentials because he may have a great interview, you also have a much more random process. |
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Date: November 5th, 2013 6:22 PM Author: Lascivious Foreskin I'm fairly involved in Biglaw hiring and your second paragraph isn't true ITE, at least at my firm. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#24377458) |
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Date: November 5th, 2013 6:24 PM Author: Mahogany Godawful Step-uncle's House Stock Car Maybe your firm does it differently, but, assuming they have a need, they will tend to interview far fewer people.
Or, they will tend to interview someone and actually make a decision on them. As opposed to running through a 1st round of 30 people and then deciding they want to call back 2 of them. |
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Date: November 5th, 2013 6:26 PM Author: Lascivious Foreskin Yeah, the difference is basically that way fewer candidates come through. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#24377493) |
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Date: November 5th, 2013 6:28 PM Author: Mahogany Godawful Step-uncle's House Stock Car Yeah, which is what makes in-house so frustrating right now.
People are going on tons and tons of interviews, mostly for naught. Kind of a big waste of time for everyone imo. |
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Date: November 5th, 2013 6:35 PM Author: Lascivious Foreskin Fit is a lot more important. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#24377570) |
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Date: November 5th, 2013 6:27 PM Author: talented people who are hurt house When I was hired in my in-house gig a few years ago, they got a few resumes and they interviewed me and one other candidate. When we filled a position recently, we got so much interest that we decided we could afford to be picky. We interviewed a dozen candidates over the course of a few months and picked one with sterling credentials and a perfect interview. We didn't do multiple rounds or anything gay like that though.
I will say that from an employer's perspective, you're definitely better off interviewing a lot of candidates - everyone's busy, so it's not something we would just do for fun. Just a shitty market from the candidate's standpoint. |
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Date: November 5th, 2013 6:35 PM Author: Lascivious Foreskin There are still jobs like this but they tend not to be advertised. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#24377578) |
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Date: November 5th, 2013 6:39 PM Author: ruby wonderful faggot firefighter way to shut the door behind you (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#24377610) |
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Date: November 5th, 2013 8:36 PM Author: talented people who are hurt house Next time I'll throw open the gates of opportunity to the huddled masses by hiring at random rather than picking the best candidate available. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#24378536) |
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Date: November 5th, 2013 10:10 PM Author: Pungent goyim water buffalo (Bill de Blasio victory speech) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#24379514) |
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Date: November 5th, 2013 6:29 PM Author: floppy idiot heaven technically it's been like this for 5 years (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#24377524) |
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Date: November 5th, 2013 8:01 PM Author: poppy internal respiration sound barrier I have had three in house interviews in the past year but no luck. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#24378282) |
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Date: November 5th, 2013 8:23 PM Author: Azure laughsome laser beams dilemma stats?
im not even getting rejection letters - much less callbacks/interviews |
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Date: November 5th, 2013 9:10 PM Author: poppy internal respiration sound barrier 6th year midlaw. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#24378775) |
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Date: November 5th, 2013 8:43 PM Author: nofapping property well, are you bringing new value to the company? like some potential new leads/clients for their main business? or do you just expect to be handed a free sinecure?
i mean, heaven forbid you hustle even just a little bit, and put yourself ahead of the applicant pack. that would take hard work and bootstraps, and no sir, we can't have any of THAT around here... |
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Date: November 5th, 2013 8:45 PM Author: Azure laughsome laser beams dilemma what value can someone bring to an inhouse opportunity? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#24378588) |
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Date: November 5th, 2013 8:46 PM Author: nofapping property like i said, new clients/buyers/customers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#24378591) |
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Date: November 5th, 2013 8:53 PM Author: Azure laughsome laser beams dilemma ok then dumb this down for me
im applying to a finance company inhouse counsel position
wtf clients am i bringing? |
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Date: November 5th, 2013 9:14 PM Author: nofapping property make some connections in a target market like china or something; tell them you can bring your people on-board if you get the job but otherwise you're taking them elsewhere.
that shows "hustle," and hiring committees like that. |
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Date: November 6th, 2013 8:57 AM Author: Azure laughsome laser beams dilemma This is the stupidest thing I've read (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#24381610) |
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Date: November 6th, 2013 9:01 AM Author: Amber Rebellious Orchestra Pit Pretty much. As an in-house lawyer if someone did something like that I'd wonder if they really wanted to be lawyers or if they just wanted to go business side as quickly as possible. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#24381613) |
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Date: November 6th, 2013 8:58 AM Author: contagious crackhouse alpha lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#24381611) |
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Date: September 25th, 2014 1:06 AM Author: Mauve kitty messiness just do china connections (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#26392639) |
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Date: September 25th, 2014 1:36 AM Author: Motley Well-lubricated Psychic School Cafeteria (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#26392782) |
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Date: November 5th, 2013 8:46 PM Author: bistre deer antler box office Come again, pumo faggot? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#24378593) |
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Date: November 5th, 2013 10:07 PM Author: Lascivious Foreskin What the fuck kind of crazy flame is this? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#24379489) |
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Date: November 6th, 2013 8:53 AM Author: contagious crackhouse alpha lol at thinking the GC or whoever is interviewing you gives a rat's dick about that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#24381598) |
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Date: November 6th, 2013 10:02 AM Author: Jet tank hell Very important to have a portable book of business for your new in-house gig. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#24381848) |
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Date: November 6th, 2013 10:04 AM Author: Amber Rebellious Orchestra Pit lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#24381856) |
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Date: September 25th, 2014 1:06 AM Author: Mauve kitty messiness (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#26392640) |
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Date: September 25th, 2014 1:36 AM Author: Motley Well-lubricated Psychic School Cafeteria lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#26392784) |
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Date: November 6th, 2013 9:11 AM Author: Red vibrant church hissy fit You gotta know someone on the inside bro. Applying through the front door is worthless in this day and age. I just landed a gig by knowing the right person at the right time even though my market is oversaturated. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#24381640) |
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Date: November 6th, 2013 9:27 AM Author: bistre deer antler box office 6 mos ago I actually turned down 2 positions (one I'm still glad I did, the other maybe not) which were offered with no connections. During the past 6 mos, I've applied to several jobs where I have very good contacts (although not the hiring manager) and I'm not even getting a call back. I practice in an in-demand specialty area so I know I will be fine, but it's fucking frustrating. I even know of a few positions where bros that greatly exceed the requirements (eg position calls for 5 yrs, they have 10 plus) can't get interviewed because there are even better candidates than them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#24381691) |
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Date: November 6th, 2013 9:16 AM Author: Amber Rebellious Orchestra Pit I'll give you guys the in-house perspective. My impression is that everyone is cutting costs or reducing costs. Therefore, hiring is kept to an absolute minimum. When you have 200 candidates it is going to be really hard to get the nod. Realistically, it is highly unlikely to be someone from a firm. In-house likes other in-house attorneys, preferably doing the exact thing that we're hiring for. The only way it is easier is if you have a specialized background that is a necessity for the position (tax, cs or ee, etc.) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#24381656) |
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Date: November 6th, 2013 9:53 AM Author: Lascivious Foreskin This is dead on, particularly the part about in-house preferring to hire in-house attorneys. It used to be that a great law firm resume would get you a job but with hundreds of people applying there's no need to hire someone that would need to adapt to in-house life because you probably have 20 equally qualified people with in-house experience. The people I know who have gone in-house over the last few years have either been a perfect fit or have done it through networking into unposted jobs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#24381792) |
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Date: November 6th, 2013 9:58 AM Author: Amber Rebellious Orchestra Pit Yep. The other phenomenon I've seen is that among the hundreds of resumes in-house will get, there will often be some partners at major firms. Stop and think about this. What chance does a 3rd year biglaw associate have when he is competing with not only the 7th year associates but the freakin' partner too? And I am not talking about GC level positions either. I am talking about jobs that would have gone to the 3rd year associates. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#24381821) |
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Date: July 31st, 2014 10:59 PM Author: Pungent goyim water buffalo boomers gonna boomer (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#26038780) |
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Date: September 25th, 2014 1:38 AM Author: Motley Well-lubricated Psychic School Cafeteria though old, bump for URFUCKED. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#26392793) |
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Date: November 6th, 2013 9:59 AM Author: contagious crackhouse alpha you just summarized the entire american job market. hence we have high unemployment. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#24381828) |
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Date: November 6th, 2013 10:00 AM Author: Amber Rebellious Orchestra Pit This isn't wrong. Also, I've seen several people here push back estimated retirement dates recently. But the oversupply in law is unusual even for ARE economy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#24381833) |
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Date: November 6th, 2013 11:07 AM Author: curious sex offender love of her life This and its not necessarily your skill set, creds or personality. Women and minorities are given a pretty significant advantage. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#24382172) |
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Date: July 31st, 2014 10:54 PM Author: bistre deer antler box office Lost another one due to being white male. My buddy on the inside actually told me this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#26038758) |
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Date: November 6th, 2013 9:19 AM Author: Maniacal bateful area I actually get recruiter calls a few times a week trying to fill in-house jobs. I have cs/ee though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#24381666) |
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Date: November 6th, 2013 9:59 AM Author: Amber Rebellious Orchestra Pit Getting a recruiter call isn't the same thing as getting the job. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#24381825) |
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Date: July 31st, 2014 10:59 PM Author: Nighttime rehab cuckold this "profession" is horrifying (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#26038781) |