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Date: November 5th, 2013 3:42 PM Author: Multi-colored Blue Stag Film I've been casually looking for about a year or so, and I don't remember it being this bad at any time in the last 12 mos. Just no in-house spots coming open. Also, talked to an in-house bro yesterday about a recent positing. He said they got over 200 apps in the first week. Wtf. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#24376202) |
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Date: November 5th, 2013 3:42 PM Author: charismatic self-absorbed market electric furnace it has been horrendous. They interview tons of people but hire no one. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#24376206) |
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Date: November 6th, 2013 8:51 AM Author: Spruce stirring theater welcome to corporate world (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#24381596) |
Date: November 5th, 2013 3:42 PM Author: cracking violent juggernaut do you have cs/ee?
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Date: November 5th, 2013 4:16 PM Author: coiffed big business firm legal warrant Sooooooo its just like all the other markets, (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#24376448) |
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Date: November 5th, 2013 5:07 PM Author: Multi-colored Blue Stag Film Firm lateral hires have been fine for my practice area and level. In house has been a disaster though bro. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#24376816) |
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Date: November 5th, 2013 5:42 PM Author: coiffed big business firm legal warrant What region you in? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#24377046) |
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Date: November 5th, 2013 6:10 PM Author: Multi-colored Blue Stag Film Won't specify due to doobs, but it's a secondary city (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#24377358) |
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Date: November 5th, 2013 4:17 PM Author: Learning disabled razzmatazz boiling water its the end of the year, bonuses etc (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#24376458) |
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Date: November 5th, 2013 5:38 PM Author: iridescent provocative center It's brutal, but it has been for a while. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#24377023) |
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Date: November 5th, 2013 5:40 PM Author: crimson trump supporter whats the credited move, then, if i need another gig in 60 days? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#24377033) |
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Date: November 5th, 2013 5:43 PM Author: iridescent provocative center Port Authority, blowjobs, etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#24377052) |
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Date: November 5th, 2013 5:48 PM Author: cracking violent juggernaut Wait, what? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#24377159) |
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Date: November 6th, 2013 9:07 AM Author: Emerald senate Pepper thy angus (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#24381632) |
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Date: November 5th, 2013 5:50 PM Author: Fiercely-loyal stage crotch Not only is it bad, but they seemingly interview like 50 people for every spot, so even if you get an interview, just based on the randomness of the interview process your odds aren't good. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#24377196) |
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Date: November 5th, 2013 6:11 PM Author: Multi-colored Blue Stag Film This is my experience. Not even getting call backs for jobs I would've turned down 6 mos ago. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#24377364) |
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Date: November 5th, 2013 6:14 PM Author: Fiercely-loyal stage crotch I've heard horror stories from people who have been looking during the past year.
When a firm interviews for a slot, they will only bring in someone if they are a likely candidate, but they won't keep interviewing people. If they find someone who has the qualifications and has a good interview, assuming they have a need, they will make the hire.
In-house they seem to just do massive amounts of interviews for a position. So not only do you have the potential chance of losing to someone with worse credentials because he may have a great interview, you also have a much more random process. |
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Date: November 5th, 2013 6:22 PM Author: iridescent provocative center I'm fairly involved in Biglaw hiring and your second paragraph isn't true ITE, at least at my firm. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#24377458) |
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Date: November 5th, 2013 6:24 PM Author: Fiercely-loyal stage crotch Maybe your firm does it differently, but, assuming they have a need, they will tend to interview far fewer people.
Or, they will tend to interview someone and actually make a decision on them. As opposed to running through a 1st round of 30 people and then deciding they want to call back 2 of them. |
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Date: November 5th, 2013 6:26 PM Author: iridescent provocative center Yeah, the difference is basically that way fewer candidates come through. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#24377493) |
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Date: November 5th, 2013 6:28 PM Author: Fiercely-loyal stage crotch Yeah, which is what makes in-house so frustrating right now.
People are going on tons and tons of interviews, mostly for naught. Kind of a big waste of time for everyone imo. |
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Date: November 5th, 2013 6:35 PM Author: iridescent provocative center Fit is a lot more important. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#24377570) |
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Date: November 5th, 2013 6:27 PM Author: submissive chapel fat ankles When I was hired in my in-house gig a few years ago, they got a few resumes and they interviewed me and one other candidate. When we filled a position recently, we got so much interest that we decided we could afford to be picky. We interviewed a dozen candidates over the course of a few months and picked one with sterling credentials and a perfect interview. We didn't do multiple rounds or anything gay like that though.
I will say that from an employer's perspective, you're definitely better off interviewing a lot of candidates - everyone's busy, so it's not something we would just do for fun. Just a shitty market from the candidate's standpoint. |
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Date: November 5th, 2013 6:35 PM Author: iridescent provocative center There are still jobs like this but they tend not to be advertised. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#24377578) |
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Date: November 5th, 2013 6:39 PM Author: charismatic self-absorbed market electric furnace way to shut the door behind you (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#24377610) |
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Date: November 5th, 2013 8:36 PM Author: submissive chapel fat ankles Next time I'll throw open the gates of opportunity to the huddled masses by hiring at random rather than picking the best candidate available. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#24378536) |
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Date: November 5th, 2013 10:10 PM Author: ebony bateful police squad preventive strike (Bill de Blasio victory speech) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#24379514) |
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Date: November 5th, 2013 6:29 PM Author: carmine unholy indian lodge tank technically it's been like this for 5 years (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#24377524) |
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Date: November 5th, 2013 8:01 PM Author: abnormal bisexual prole I have had three in house interviews in the past year but no luck. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#24378282) |
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Date: November 5th, 2013 8:23 PM Author: crimson trump supporter stats?
im not even getting rejection letters - much less callbacks/interviews |
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Date: November 5th, 2013 9:10 PM Author: abnormal bisexual prole 6th year midlaw. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#24378775) |
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Date: November 5th, 2013 8:43 PM Author: Racy Heaven well, are you bringing new value to the company? like some potential new leads/clients for their main business? or do you just expect to be handed a free sinecure?
i mean, heaven forbid you hustle even just a little bit, and put yourself ahead of the applicant pack. that would take hard work and bootstraps, and no sir, we can't have any of THAT around here... |
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Date: November 5th, 2013 8:45 PM Author: crimson trump supporter what value can someone bring to an inhouse opportunity? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#24378588) |
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Date: November 5th, 2013 8:46 PM Author: Racy Heaven like i said, new clients/buyers/customers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#24378591) |
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Date: November 5th, 2013 8:53 PM Author: crimson trump supporter ok then dumb this down for me
im applying to a finance company inhouse counsel position
wtf clients am i bringing? |
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Date: November 5th, 2013 9:14 PM Author: Racy Heaven make some connections in a target market like china or something; tell them you can bring your people on-board if you get the job but otherwise you're taking them elsewhere.
that shows "hustle," and hiring committees like that. |
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Date: November 6th, 2013 8:57 AM Author: crimson trump supporter This is the stupidest thing I've read (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#24381610) |
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Date: November 6th, 2013 9:01 AM Author: Emerald senate Pretty much. As an in-house lawyer if someone did something like that I'd wonder if they really wanted to be lawyers or if they just wanted to go business side as quickly as possible. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#24381613) |
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Date: November 6th, 2013 8:58 AM Author: Spruce stirring theater lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#24381611) |
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Date: September 25th, 2014 1:06 AM Author: motley blathering locale just do china connections (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#26392639) |
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Date: September 25th, 2014 1:36 AM Author: Saffron Really Tough Guy Affirmative Action (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#26392782) |
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Date: November 5th, 2013 8:46 PM Author: Multi-colored Blue Stag Film Come again, pumo faggot? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#24378593) |
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Date: November 5th, 2013 10:07 PM Author: iridescent provocative center What the fuck kind of crazy flame is this? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#24379489) |
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Date: November 6th, 2013 8:53 AM Author: Spruce stirring theater lol at thinking the GC or whoever is interviewing you gives a rat's dick about that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#24381598) |
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Date: November 6th, 2013 10:02 AM Author: awkward aromatic ratface Very important to have a portable book of business for your new in-house gig. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#24381848) |
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Date: November 6th, 2013 10:04 AM Author: Emerald senate lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#24381856) |
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Date: September 25th, 2014 1:06 AM Author: motley blathering locale (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#26392640) |
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Date: September 25th, 2014 1:36 AM Author: Saffron Really Tough Guy Affirmative Action lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#26392784) |
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Date: November 6th, 2013 9:11 AM Author: heady point gaping You gotta know someone on the inside bro. Applying through the front door is worthless in this day and age. I just landed a gig by knowing the right person at the right time even though my market is oversaturated. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#24381640) |
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Date: November 6th, 2013 9:27 AM Author: Multi-colored Blue Stag Film 6 mos ago I actually turned down 2 positions (one I'm still glad I did, the other maybe not) which were offered with no connections. During the past 6 mos, I've applied to several jobs where I have very good contacts (although not the hiring manager) and I'm not even getting a call back. I practice in an in-demand specialty area so I know I will be fine, but it's fucking frustrating. I even know of a few positions where bros that greatly exceed the requirements (eg position calls for 5 yrs, they have 10 plus) can't get interviewed because there are even better candidates than them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#24381691) |
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Date: November 6th, 2013 9:16 AM Author: Emerald senate I'll give you guys the in-house perspective. My impression is that everyone is cutting costs or reducing costs. Therefore, hiring is kept to an absolute minimum. When you have 200 candidates it is going to be really hard to get the nod. Realistically, it is highly unlikely to be someone from a firm. In-house likes other in-house attorneys, preferably doing the exact thing that we're hiring for. The only way it is easier is if you have a specialized background that is a necessity for the position (tax, cs or ee, etc.) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#24381656) |
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Date: November 6th, 2013 9:53 AM Author: iridescent provocative center This is dead on, particularly the part about in-house preferring to hire in-house attorneys. It used to be that a great law firm resume would get you a job but with hundreds of people applying there's no need to hire someone that would need to adapt to in-house life because you probably have 20 equally qualified people with in-house experience. The people I know who have gone in-house over the last few years have either been a perfect fit or have done it through networking into unposted jobs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#24381792) |
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Date: November 6th, 2013 9:58 AM Author: Emerald senate Yep. The other phenomenon I've seen is that among the hundreds of resumes in-house will get, there will often be some partners at major firms. Stop and think about this. What chance does a 3rd year biglaw associate have when he is competing with not only the 7th year associates but the freakin' partner too? And I am not talking about GC level positions either. I am talking about jobs that would have gone to the 3rd year associates. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#24381821) |
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Date: July 31st, 2014 10:59 PM Author: ebony bateful police squad preventive strike boomers gonna boomer (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#26038780) |
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Date: September 25th, 2014 1:38 AM Author: Saffron Really Tough Guy Affirmative Action though old, bump for URFUCKED. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#26392793) |
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Date: November 6th, 2013 9:59 AM Author: Spruce stirring theater you just summarized the entire american job market. hence we have high unemployment. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#24381828) |
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Date: November 6th, 2013 10:00 AM Author: Emerald senate This isn't wrong. Also, I've seen several people here push back estimated retirement dates recently. But the oversupply in law is unusual even for ARE economy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#24381833) |
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Date: November 6th, 2013 11:07 AM Author: Stimulating Honey-headed Corn Cake This and its not necessarily your skill set, creds or personality. Women and minorities are given a pretty significant advantage. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#24382172) |
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Date: July 31st, 2014 10:54 PM Author: Multi-colored Blue Stag Film Lost another one due to being white male. My buddy on the inside actually told me this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#26038758) |
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Date: November 6th, 2013 9:19 AM Author: cracking violent juggernaut I actually get recruiter calls a few times a week trying to fill in-house jobs. I have cs/ee though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#24381666) |
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Date: November 6th, 2013 9:59 AM Author: Emerald senate Getting a recruiter call isn't the same thing as getting the job. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#24381825) |
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Date: July 31st, 2014 10:59 PM Author: Alcoholic bipolar patrolman this "profession" is horrifying (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2405922&forum_id=2#26038781) |