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should i get an accounting PhD?
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Date: November 12th, 2013 3:14 PM Author: Ocher Plaza feel like it's a nice path to a sweet cushy gig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2411940&forum_id=2#24424172) |
Date: November 12th, 2013 3:16 PM Author: chocolate office And when the education bubble implodes? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2411940&forum_id=2#24424182) |
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Date: November 12th, 2013 7:52 PM Author: magenta infuriating depressive persian there will be no need for accountants? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2411940&forum_id=2#24425986) |
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Date: November 13th, 2013 12:25 AM Author: glittery mad-dog skullcap rigor (guy who doesn't realize that a PhD won't qualify him to be an accountant) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2411940&forum_id=2#24428341) |
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Date: November 13th, 2013 12:27 AM Author: magenta infuriating depressive persian (guy who doesn't think they need people to train and teach accountants) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2411940&forum_id=2#24428347) |
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Date: November 13th, 2013 12:31 AM Author: glittery mad-dog skullcap rigor i thought you were implying that he would have meaningful private sector opportunities. either way, (guy who thinks that you need a PhD to teach kids double entry accounting) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2411940&forum_id=2#24428382) |
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Date: November 13th, 2013 12:34 AM Author: magenta infuriating depressive persian yea that too
(guy who thinks you don't need advanced knowledge to teach graduate level classes) |
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Date: July 15th, 2014 10:52 AM Author: wine nursing home Yeah man no way he will have his 120 hours or whatever. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2411940&forum_id=2#25935369) |
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Date: November 12th, 2013 6:01 PM Author: rambunctious irradiated roast beef hell do u have math skills? i think even accounting phd want candidates who have taken a bunch of math in ug (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2411940&forum_id=2#24425238) |
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Date: November 12th, 2013 7:57 PM Author: Curious Fuchsia Background Story Location why do you need a phd to add subtract and multiply? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2411940&forum_id=2#24426017) |
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Date: November 12th, 2013 8:20 PM Author: Bearded Jew House Bro some of these numbers are seven, eight, sometimes even nine digits. I hope you realize what you're getting into. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2411940&forum_id=2#24426174) |
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Date: November 12th, 2013 9:16 PM Author: Supple Slippery Senate if they are more than 6 digits they just say they are in the 000s or millions. no biggie (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2411940&forum_id=2#24426646) |
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Date: November 12th, 2013 8:27 PM Author: rambunctious irradiated roast beef hell accounting PhDs are nothing like accounting UG or even masters. they are theory. it's basically the same as econ and finance PhD just geared toward accounting theory. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2411940&forum_id=2#24426233) |
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Date: November 12th, 2013 9:12 PM Author: Pungent bespoke principal's office clown "the thing is that, you know, it didn't take"
"what? school?"
"yeah, it didn't take...I think the answer to school not taking is more school."
"seems shrewd, bro." |
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Date: November 12th, 2013 9:13 PM Author: dead wild mother athletic conference just do debits and credits bro (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2411940&forum_id=2#24426617) |
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Date: November 12th, 2013 9:15 PM Author: Overrated idea he suggested It's a pretty sure path to stability and high pay, but it'll take years of hard work to get there and you'll need to sacrifice geographic mobility. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2411940&forum_id=2#24426639) |
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Date: November 12th, 2013 9:17 PM Author: indigo church building This. The lack of geographic mobility is terrible. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2411940&forum_id=2#24426656) |
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Date: November 12th, 2013 9:17 PM Author: Supple Slippery Senate what job? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2411940&forum_id=2#24426666) |
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Date: November 12th, 2013 9:18 PM Author: Overrated idea he suggested starting as assistant professor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2411940&forum_id=2#24426672) |
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Date: November 12th, 2013 9:17 PM Author: odious locale organic girlfriend only if you want an extremely high-paying job in high demand by both schools and private enterprises. if you don't want great work hours, interesting and intelligent peers, and engrossing work, avoid getting an accounting phd. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2411940&forum_id=2#24426662) |
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Date: July 15th, 2014 10:39 AM Author: Ocher Plaza it is valued by industry? talk more about this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2411940&forum_id=2#25935306) |
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Date: August 26th, 2014 2:02 PM Author: Ocher Plaza (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2411940&forum_id=2#26210298) |
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Date: November 12th, 2013 9:18 PM Author: indigo church building Try looking at the top accounting journals, e.g. the journal of accounting and economics, to get a sense of what you'll end up having to learn in grad school (if there's an article you want to read, google scholar can usually find a free version). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2411940&forum_id=2#24426678) |
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Date: July 15th, 2014 10:44 AM Author: 180 old irish cottage factory reset button lol fuck no. accounting is boring as fuck. if you are going to cop a phd do it in something intneresting (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2411940&forum_id=2#25935332) |
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Date: July 15th, 2014 10:45 AM Author: Ocher Plaza i happen to like accounting (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2411940&forum_id=2#25935334) |
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Date: July 15th, 2014 10:47 AM Author: 180 old irish cottage factory reset button then wtf are you waitin for? cop dat phd (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2411940&forum_id=2#25935346) |
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Date: July 15th, 2014 10:49 AM Author: Ocher Plaza i want to know how marketable it is outside of just the world of academia though (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2411940&forum_id=2#25935352) |
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Date: July 15th, 2014 11:18 AM Author: Hairraiser ruddy garrison it isn't.
twist: academia > the real world |
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Date: July 15th, 2014 10:49 AM Author: sable area Finance, if you can swing it.
Finance AP starting salaries are ~$200K, plus there is a lot of consulting work you can do on the side ($$$)if you want to do academics. Finance PhDs are WAY more valued in industry than Accounting PhDs
But if you can get into a "top" Accountancy PhD program, the lifestyle at a decent b-school is pretty shweet. |
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Date: July 15th, 2014 10:50 AM Author: Ocher Plaza how marketable is an accounting PHD outside of the academic world though? like, i would think banks would be interested in potentially hiring phds in their equity research departments, no? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2411940&forum_id=2#25935361) |
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Date: July 15th, 2014 10:52 AM Author: sable area banks hire STEM, Finance and Econ doods for research, a PhD in accounting is useless for that kind of job. Consulting firms like MBB would probably hire you, but for most industry jobs an Accounting PhD is useless and overkill.
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Date: July 15th, 2014 10:54 AM Author: Ocher Plaza MBB would hire an accounting PHD? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2411940&forum_id=2#25935375) |
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Date: July 15th, 2014 10:54 AM Author: sable area yeah, MBB will look at pretty much anyone. I worked with a dood who had an MA in Music (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2411940&forum_id=2#25935381) |
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Date: July 15th, 2014 10:55 AM Author: Ocher Plaza LOL (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2411940&forum_id=2#25935385) |
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Date: July 15th, 2014 10:57 AM Author: sable area yeah, he was smart though.
Triple major in Math, Physics and Music for UG.
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Date: July 15th, 2014 10:57 AM Author: Ocher Plaza i bsaically just don't know what the hell i want to do with my life
accounting phd sounds interesting but i just don't know. i hvae a new idea for a career every day it seems, i'm a mess |
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Date: July 15th, 2014 10:59 AM Author: sable area why accounting? The only reason to do a PhD in a business discipline is if you are interested in academics, since that's where 90% of the jerbs are. IME the business PhDs that are most useful for obtaining jobs in the private sector are Finance and Marketing (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2411940&forum_id=2#25935402) |
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Date: July 15th, 2014 11:04 AM Author: Ocher Plaza well, i like accounting to be honest. always hvae. i think the theory side of it would be very interesting.
i've thought of a phd in finance, but i don't really hvae the background. i'm not sure how easy it would be for a person with a largely acctg background to transition to finance, or how those programs would look at someone like me |
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Date: July 15th, 2014 11:05 AM Author: sable area you have a UG degree in Accounting? CPA? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2411940&forum_id=2#25935429) |
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Date: July 15th, 2014 11:06 AM Author: Ocher Plaza check check (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2411940&forum_id=2#25935434) |
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Date: July 15th, 2014 11:07 AM Author: sable area that's cool. The VAST majority of Accounting professors have ZERO industry experience and no CPA.
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Date: July 15th, 2014 11:07 AM Author: Ocher Plaza really? that's odd. i would have thought most would have (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2411940&forum_id=2#25935441) |
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Date: July 15th, 2014 11:09 AM Author: sable area At least at the b-school I went too. Even the ones with experience had maybe 2-3 years of token work in industry before going to grad school.
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Date: July 15th, 2014 11:17 AM Author: Hairraiser ruddy garrison yes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2411940&forum_id=2#25935474) |
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Date: July 15th, 2014 11:20 AM Author: Ocher Plaza why (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2411940&forum_id=2#25935493) |
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Date: July 15th, 2014 11:22 AM Author: Hairraiser ruddy garrison very easy path to make $200k for 35hr work weeks and 3 months off a year. you are basically guaranteed a decent academic position after being accepted to a program (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2411940&forum_id=2#25935499) |
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Date: July 15th, 2014 11:49 AM Author: Histrionic Mental Disorder Messiness I need to get a job like that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2411940&forum_id=2#25935645) |
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Date: July 15th, 2014 12:14 PM Author: Ocher Plaza same (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2411940&forum_id=2#25935817) |
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Date: July 15th, 2014 12:14 PM Author: Ocher Plaza forreal? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2411940&forum_id=2#25935819) |
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Date: July 15th, 2014 12:49 PM Author: Hairraiser ruddy garrison Yes. I'd get one myself, if I had the patience to sit through the UG accounting classes. You have a calc background, right? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2411940&forum_id=2#25935979) |
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Date: July 15th, 2014 12:54 PM Author: Ocher Plaza i took advanced calc but it was in HS
as a result of that i didn't have to take any calc in college |
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Date: July 15th, 2014 12:56 PM Author: Hairraiser ruddy garrison Forget about accounting phd if you can't handle the equivalent of a math major (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2411940&forum_id=2#25936014) |
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Date: July 15th, 2014 12:16 PM Author: maroon galvanic karate bawdyhouse you should get YOUR Ph.D (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2411940&forum_id=2#25935832) |
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Date: July 15th, 2014 12:55 PM Author: mint blood rage headpube You don't need a PHD to teach accounting. I taught some Cost Accounting, 101-102 Financial at the local CC. They asked me to teach Biz law and take over the "accounting dept" the following semester. Granted, this was not academia. I hated it. I would be done with my class about 30 minutes before every class was supposed to end because I ran out of things to talk about. I would stick around til the official time was over and help students with issues they couldn't understand. It was pretty awful, TBH.
If I were you, I'd try teaching at a CC first to see if you even like teaching. I hated it. |
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Date: July 15th, 2014 12:57 PM Author: Hairraiser ruddy garrison Any accounting phd is much more about research than teaching. It's very different from working at a CC with an MBA or something (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2411940&forum_id=2#25936021) |
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Date: July 15th, 2014 1:01 PM Author: mint blood rage headpube Researching accounting sounds awful. Surely he would be expected to teach though. My recommendation was that he should see if he even likes teaching first. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2411940&forum_id=2#25936039) |
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Date: July 15th, 2014 1:02 PM Author: Ocher Plaza i actulaly do like teaching/training
i've done it before and i'm open to it |
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Date: July 15th, 2014 1:04 PM Author: mint blood rage headpube Have done any accounting? Was a former Big 6 audit bro. It was awful.
If you actually enjoy teaching, it might be a good path. |
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Date: July 15th, 2014 1:06 PM Author: Hairraiser ruddy garrison enjoying research is a better indicator of if he'd enjoy the phd program enough to graduate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2411940&forum_id=2#25936056) |
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Date: July 15th, 2014 1:04 PM Author: Hairraiser ruddy garrison this is a good site that can give you a better idea of what you're considering:
http://byuaccounting.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Main_Page |
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Date: July 15th, 2014 1:03 PM Author: Hairraiser ruddy garrison Yeah he'd need to teach. Most accounting PhDs generally say that teaching is very much a secondary responsibility, a lot of them don't like teaching at all. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2411940&forum_id=2#25936046) |
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Date: July 15th, 2014 1:06 PM Author: mint blood rage headpube Just reflecting back on my UG accounting days. The former real-world accountants were much better at teaching than the PHD's. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2411940&forum_id=2#25936058) |
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Date: July 15th, 2014 1:08 PM Author: Hairraiser ruddy garrison this is what I hear across the board. a good portion of accounting phds are math-quant guys who never worked as accounts. an associate of mine finished his phd in physics before starting an accounting phd. i can't imagine he'd have much advice for a 20 year old looking to get his first job (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2411940&forum_id=2#25936064) |
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Date: July 15th, 2014 2:14 PM Author: Ocher Plaza well then that will at least give me a leg up on some other ppl, because i have a few years of public acctg experience under my belt (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2411940&forum_id=2#25936460) |
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Date: August 26th, 2014 2:04 PM Author: Lime Vigorous Regret *publishes new paradigm-shifting paper in comparative women's critical accounting theory* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2411940&forum_id=2#26210310) |