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INTPs: what do you think about our personality types
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Date: March 13th, 2014 1:12 PM Author: Drab corner Positives: Smart, can work quickly, easy going and friendly
Pitfalls: procrastination/laziness, staying on the ball with social skills
Keys to success:
1. on procrastination/laziness, who knows? it is a problem that many have ruminated on. i still struggle with it. but, i feel like i have had a lot of success as well. the thing is, i know i am a hard worker and capable of working hard day in and day out. i try to focus on that knowledge often. but since moving beyond menial jobs in HS and college, procrastination is more of an issue, i think mainly because it is mental work instead of physical/relatively mindless. mental work is actually much harder than physical work.
2. social skills - This one is less of an issue than procrastination, it seems to me. I have great social skills in general. Everyone likes me. I interview well. I am gregarious on a regular basis, but it's not my default state- I have to psych myself up for it a bit (which I find easy to do as long as there is fun to be had or an objective to be accomplished by it AND I'm not too tired/worn down). I think the biggest issue I face is not continually maintaining open lines of communication. When I communicate, things are good. But I have been told that I am very hard to read. I think when I am in chill mode and not communicating, people don't know what to think and get the wrong idea sometimes, like they think I am uncomfortable or insecure when really I'm fine. So I think it's an issue of doing social things to keep the juices flowing, and always thinking about staying communicative with people. |
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Date: March 13th, 2014 1:23 PM Author: excitant pale becky Sounds mostly right. Especially the procrastination in regard to mental work. It's like a mix of laziness and anxiety over whether I'm equipped to handle the task. Then as time runs out I'm forced to hyperfocus and pump out whatever piece of shit I can in the remaining time. Smart enough that it turns out ok, and then I can rationalize any imperfections as being a product of not having the time to do it right.
Another thing I'd add is the tendency to get sucked into acquiring totally useless trivial information once my interest is piqued on some topic. I can waste an entire day analyzing shit like Pac-12 free throw percentage statistics. |
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Date: March 13th, 2014 1:24 PM Author: Henna Well-lubricated Clown MFCR (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2517072&forum_id=2#25182365) |
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Date: March 13th, 2014 1:27 PM Author: Drab corner Yup, agreed.
On the issue of mental/physical work, one thing I love is to have projects to do around the house. Repairs, remodeling, construction, plumbing, electrical, landscaping. I can figure anything out and do it. It's a great way to get a sense of accomplishment on a Saturday and in the evenings after work. |
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Date: March 13th, 2014 1:27 PM Author: slippery alpha (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2517072&forum_id=2#25182389) |
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Date: March 13th, 2014 1:29 PM Author: diverse station dysfunction cr on useless info. problem is i can't tell what is useless sometimes. it's like an obsessive collecting of information. i put shit in .txt files in "case i'll need to refer to it later". never do. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2517072&forum_id=2#25182404) |
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Date: March 13th, 2014 1:44 PM Author: slippery alpha It's always nonacademic shit, for me. As a kid it was dinosaurs and sports statistics. Now it'll be something like, I might be interested in buying a car so I'll memorize the 0-60 times of 80 different car models. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2517072&forum_id=2#25182496) |
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Date: March 13th, 2014 1:51 PM Author: insanely creepy ebony shrine genital piercing what you describe is actually moderate Aspergers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2517072&forum_id=2#25182535) |
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Date: March 13th, 2014 1:53 PM Author: Electric Box Office (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2517072&forum_id=2#25182544) |
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Date: March 13th, 2014 1:54 PM Author: slippery alpha A pretty chill type of aspergers (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2517072&forum_id=2#25182547) |
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Date: March 13th, 2014 1:57 PM Author: Henna Well-lubricated Clown (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2517072&forum_id=2#25182565) |
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Date: March 13th, 2014 2:14 PM Author: diverse station dysfunction (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2517072&forum_id=2#25182660) |
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Date: December 17th, 2014 9:10 AM Author: Insecure plaza (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2517072&forum_id=2#26947683) |
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Date: December 17th, 2014 9:19 AM Author: Henna Well-lubricated Clown (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2517072&forum_id=2#26947716) |
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Date: March 13th, 2014 2:14 PM Author: diverse station dysfunction yes brother. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2517072&forum_id=2#25182658) |
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Date: December 17th, 2014 9:10 AM Author: Insecure plaza (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2517072&forum_id=2#26947682) |
Date: March 13th, 2014 1:13 PM Author: Electric Box Office everyone knows ENTJs and INTJs are the most successful. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2517072&forum_id=2#25182298) |
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Date: March 13th, 2014 1:15 PM Author: Drab corner TBF, I'm a little closer to the middle on E/I and P/J.
Both of these things are a shift though, and I think it's just part of growing up for me and realizing that it's important to communicate (E/I) and get things done (P/J). |
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Date: March 13th, 2014 1:17 PM Author: Drab corner also, link? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2517072&forum_id=2#25182322) |
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Date: March 13th, 2014 1:25 PM Author: Electric Box Office http://www.cbsnews.com/news/thinking-of-getting-an-mba-here-are-five-reasons-not-to/
http://www.mariakillam.com/selfawareness/
Thought it was a commonly known fact that most Fortune 500 ceos are ENTJ. |
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Date: March 13th, 2014 1:36 PM Author: Drab corner Many flaws in your reasoning, bro.
First of all, F500 ceo is not the definition of success. There are many people who I would deem adequately successful who are not F500 ceos. I would also take a more holistic idea of success and say that many F500 ceos are not even particularly successful at life overall, in my opinion.
Second, even if every single F500 ceo was ENTJ, and that was the pinnacle of success, that would tell us absolutely nothing about whether ENTJs are more likely to be successful in general. More interesting in terms of monetary success would be data as to the average earnings of each type, but I'm sure good data on that does not exist. |
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Date: March 13th, 2014 1:36 PM Author: Electric Box Office lol only 2% - 5% of the population is ENTJ. If they're the majority of anything it says something.
http://www.capt.org/mbti-assessment/estimated-frequencies.htm
Also S and F are far more common amongst women so we know how well S and F types get things done lol (but likely more inclined to nurture). Also virtually no women are ENTJ or INTJ. |
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Date: March 13th, 2014 1:40 PM Author: Drab corner That data tells us that ENTJs are more likely than any other type to become F500 CEOs. That is what it tells you, not necessarily anything more. A bunch of them are probably enterprise rent-a-car branch managers too. I guess you could also say that white people are most likely to become astronauts.
I wouldn't be surprised though if ENTJs earned more money on average. So your hypothesis could be correct in that sense (though not proved). But then again I'd go back to the question of what is success really. $/hr could be a more interesting figure, for instance, than overall earnings. |
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Date: March 13th, 2014 1:41 PM Author: Electric Box Office why are you being a faggot. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2517072&forum_id=2#25182479) |
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Date: March 13th, 2014 1:43 PM Author: Drab corner My bad. Your initial statement was wrong and your arguments supporting it were bad. As an INTP, I just can't let that slide. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2517072&forum_id=2#25182488) |
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Date: March 13th, 2014 1:45 PM Author: Electric Box Office ENTJ is the most prestigious you aspie faggot. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2517072&forum_id=2#25182498) |
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Date: March 13th, 2014 1:47 PM Author: Drab corner Maybe man, what type are you? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2517072&forum_id=2#25182511) |
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Date: March 13th, 2014 1:21 PM Author: Henna Well-lubricated Clown CR, this describes me as well. Honestly, INTP seems like a strong type: naturally smart, but chill (via procrastination). Unlike our buttfuck faggot INTJ brothers in that regard.
Really the biggest downside though is that other types can be just as smart, but have diverse personality traits that can actually complement that talent, rather than serving it wholly. |
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Date: March 13th, 2014 1:23 PM Author: Henna Well-lubricated Clown Also, with regards to the legal profession: not sure if our oddball behavior is appreciated in ARE profession. Legal work seems to reward organization over innovation. Not that innovation is completely disregarded. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2517072&forum_id=2#25182360) |
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Date: March 13th, 2014 1:29 PM Author: Drab corner I have a feeling this is basically true of any job, though. Any "job" where you are really innovating or something isn't really a job, it's more like you being a entrepreneur. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2517072&forum_id=2#25182407) |
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Date: March 13th, 2014 1:30 PM Author: Electric Box Office or top of the food chain (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2517072&forum_id=2#25182410) |
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Date: March 13th, 2014 1:37 PM Author: Drab corner Sure, basically running a business, although if you don't OWN the business then you will generally have to be far more risk averse and focus on short term profits. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2517072&forum_id=2#25182450) |
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Date: March 13th, 2014 1:31 PM Author: Henna Well-lubricated Clown Fair enough. I would still say that organizational skills are particularly important in law over other career paths. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2517072&forum_id=2#25182419) |
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Date: March 13th, 2014 1:59 PM Author: hateful wonderful masturbator international law enforcement agency You sound like a pretty good INTP, lil breh. But I wonder how strong you lean INTP since you left out arguably the most important aspect of being one: dat internal monologue. I can have long, developed conversations in my head while listening to other people talk, including positing alternative arguments or responses from the speakers and developing those paths. Makes us 180 attorneys because we inherently excel at hypotheticals, alternative arguments, accepting things as true for same of argument, etc. Many non-INTPs can't do these things, particularly non attorneys. People fight hypotheticals all the time, and if you ask them to assume something they don't believe for the same of argument, you'll get something like "But that would never happen!!" The downside is people often criticize INTPs as being too quiet, because they aren't privy to our 180 internal monologue.
Biggest downside IMHO is emotional unavailability/lack of understanding because emotions aren't logical and therefore we know they shouldn't dictate our actions. This drives women insane. But women are weak willed slaves to chemicals in their brains so who gives a shit, right? |
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Date: March 13th, 2014 2:03 PM Author: Henna Well-lubricated Clown The second prong can be a 180 approach to fucking strange, though. Pretty much treating women as emotionally disposable has made me much more successful, at least in the initial phase of relationships. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2517072&forum_id=2#25182596) |
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Date: March 13th, 2014 2:05 PM Author: hateful wonderful masturbator international law enforcement agency Obviously it is fine when you don't care about the other person, but if you want wife and babby you will encounter these difficulties. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2517072&forum_id=2#25182606) |
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Date: March 13th, 2014 2:06 PM Author: Henna Well-lubricated Clown Yep, which is what worries me as I approach my late 20s. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2517072&forum_id=2#25182614) |
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Date: March 13th, 2014 2:18 PM Author: diverse station dysfunction what bothers women is they think you don't care about anything. fake a temper tantrum every once in a while. show some "passion" or whatever. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2517072&forum_id=2#25182682) |
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Date: March 13th, 2014 2:28 PM Author: excitant pale becky CR. Also causes me to go off in tangents in conversations so it makes it look like I haven't been paying attention at all. Drives my wife insane. "You never listen to me!" I try to explain to her that I just had to scratch that intellectual itch and see that thought through all of its hypothetical logical ends. It's really a compulsion that's actually gotten worse with age. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2517072&forum_id=2#25182734) |
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Date: December 17th, 2014 11:27 AM Author: Bat-shit-crazy flatulent tanning salon This is classic OCD behavior. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2517072&forum_id=2#26948221) |
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Date: March 13th, 2014 4:49 PM Author: Drab corner Hm, not sure what you mean by internal monologue.
I am familiar with thoughts running faster than a conversation that is taking place and causing me to not listen. This is a very negative thing IMO that might only happen when I am not functioning well for some reason or other. For example, I might get stuck on a point of logic and then miss most of what people are talking about. Then eventually I say something on that minute point I was stuck on while really missing the main points, the social tones, opportunities for taking conversation in a different direction, etc. This is not a good thing.
But as far as the games of logic that you mention, like arguments and hypotheticals, yes I am great with those. But in a conversation it is not something that should make people think you are aloof, quiet, or not on point. In fact it is something that you should employ to show that you are competent and a good listener. Listening comes first by a long shot. Use thinking sparingly to come up with a few cogent responses to their main points (and ideally other concerns you can perceive/anticipate that they haven't even articulated yet). I wouldn't really characterize this as internal monologue. Just regular conversation but with good thinking ability. Internal monologue the way you describe it sounds more like something that is interfering with your ability to converse. |
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Date: March 14th, 2014 2:48 AM Author: Mind-boggling Market Fuck I test pretty solidly INTP but get overly attached to women rather than emotionally distant (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2517072&forum_id=2#25186576) |
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Date: March 14th, 2014 3:19 AM Author: twisted cerebral travel guidebook the responses to this poast make me realize that the internal monologue is very different among INTPs. obviously it's extremely personal but in general this is spot on.
are all INTPs chill though? i've tested as INTJ and my I/E metric slightly favors I. i don't think I'm all that different from other NTs.
can we all at least agree that "S" types are retarded sheep? |
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Date: March 14th, 2014 1:01 PM Author: frum hell Internal monologue is a negative ime. I think something out in my head, conclude that it's immaterial/meaningless etc. and as a result discard it instead of voicing my analytical process that led to my conclusion. Makes it look like I overlooked the issue. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2517072&forum_id=2#25188069) |
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Date: April 10th, 2014 4:56 PM Author: Vivacious filthy striped hyena fuuuck, I hate this. Don't mention ideas that other people think I should consider, because I considered them and decided not to waste everyone's time talking them through. Meanwhile, the ESFJ blabs about his TTT "thought" process and gets all the accolades. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2517072&forum_id=2#25361325) |
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Date: December 17th, 2014 1:49 PM Author: aquamarine 180 preventive strike church building (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2517072&forum_id=2#26949305) |
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Date: March 14th, 2014 6:27 AM Author: narrow-minded beady-eyed stag film faggot firefighter The nature of education and work in America has become less favorable to INTPs over the years. Hard work and striving is increasingly rewarded over innovation and good decision making--note the rise in work hours among the professional class as well as the trend toward deemphasizing test scores in college admissions in favor of strivery extracurriculars. The culture has just increasingly become focused on hard work over other virtues. Also, the low-hanging fruit of science has been well-researched already, so the best INTP opportunities that were present 100 years ago aren't there anymore. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2517072&forum_id=2#25186819) |
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Date: March 14th, 2014 10:00 AM Author: buff adventurous ticket booth I disagree. I think a lot of real innovation comes from being able to conceptualize alternative possibilities and weigh them. INTPs are good at this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2517072&forum_id=2#25187190) |
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Date: March 14th, 2014 3:02 PM Author: narrow-minded beady-eyed stag film faggot firefighter Sure, INTPs are, but it's harder to make a living that way. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2517072&forum_id=2#25188751) |
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Date: March 14th, 2014 12:54 PM Author: Drab corner Pretty true with education. Although LSAT is still a big deal, LOLz. Also schools and teachers still vary pretty widely I think.
Not sure if this applies to the working world, but if so, there is nothing to be done about it other than adapt.
LOL, I'm pretty sure most INTPs weren't going to be a Newton or any kind of groundbreaking scientist anyway. |
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Date: March 14th, 2014 3:01 PM Author: narrow-minded beady-eyed stag film faggot firefighter I think in the past there were more good career paths for INTPs, but now America is so much more focused on quantity over quality. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2517072&forum_id=2#25188747) |
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Date: December 17th, 2014 11:31 AM Author: Bat-shit-crazy flatulent tanning salon "Big Data" is actually going to fix this, which is why the current credited path for INTPs is to hide out at a big company for the next 5 years and then get involved with the analysts structuring queries. Legal, as per usual, will lag the rest of the world by a generation, but this is even a possible path forward in a gigantic inhouse legal department. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2517072&forum_id=2#26948247) |
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Date: March 14th, 2014 10:05 AM Author: buff adventurous ticket booth ARE problem is that INTP is always going to have the least amount of confidence in everyday life and is simultaneously going to be relatively predisposed to be unable to fake it. We're going to be limited by the fact that we're too aware of why our work product sucks and we're going to keep getting styled on at the bar by chill fratty ENTJs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2517072&forum_id=2#25187208) |
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Date: March 14th, 2014 1:04 PM Author: Drab corner I don't agree with this at all. Sounds like a personal problem.
You might be right that our type is less able to fake things on the spot. But I'm mostly not faking things. I just have genuine confidence. Also this quality is actually what makes you a genuine person who people feel like they can trust, and that's a good thing. |
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Date: December 17th, 2014 12:58 PM Author: black lascivious french chef chapel (not a *real* INTP) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2517072&forum_id=2#26949026) |
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Date: April 10th, 2014 4:44 PM Author: Drab corner (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2517072&forum_id=2#25361248) |
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Date: December 17th, 2014 9:12 AM Author: cracking wrinkle learn to be social and become a chill fratty ENTP (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2517072&forum_id=2#26947688) |
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Date: December 17th, 2014 12:59 PM Author: black lascivious french chef chapel my procrastinating impulses are completely out of control
i have poor people skills. combined with my avoidant tendencies and dat 120 non stop internal monologue, i'm a social disaster |