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MPP vs JD for GOVERNMENT WORK
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Date: April 3rd, 2014 10:33 PM Author: Flatulent Institution Haunted Graveyard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2535006&forum_id=2#25319446) |
Date: April 3rd, 2014 10:33 PM Author: fluffy patrolman native (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2535006&forum_id=2#25319447) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2014 10:34 PM Author: charcoal embarrassed to the bone lodge MPP is generally a cheaper degree, takes fewer years, and is less saturated than law. They also teach you actual skills, like how to use excel and statistics.
As a JD who works a non-law job in government, I prefer to hire MPPs and MBAs over JDs. |
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Date: April 3rd, 2014 10:39 PM Author: Flatulent Institution Haunted Graveyard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2535006&forum_id=2#25319486) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2014 10:45 PM Author: Flatulent Institution Haunted Graveyard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2535006&forum_id=2#25319525) |
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Date: August 21st, 2014 11:30 AM Author: Flatulent Institution Haunted Graveyard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2535006&forum_id=2#26176047) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2014 10:39 PM Author: elite lay stain mayors/governors/congressmen/senators hire people through personal connections, not through some formal application process. both degrees are useless for what you want to do. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2535006&forum_id=2#25319493) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2014 10:41 PM Author: slimy chapel MPP > shitty internship in local/state gov > guy you work with knows someone else > job. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2535006&forum_id=2#25319502) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2014 10:41 PM Author: slimy chapel Also, LOL @ mayors, congressmen, etc doing actual hiring (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2535006&forum_id=2#25319507) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2014 10:44 PM Author: elite lay stain what do you mean? the politician hires most of the senior staff himself, then the CoS and national/state committees might have some say, and the junior staff is people who know the politician or CoS. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2535006&forum_id=2#25319523) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2014 10:55 PM Author: slimy chapel lol @ aiming to be senior staff out of school with a shit degree (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2535006&forum_id=2#25319603) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2014 11:01 PM Author: elite lay stain when did i say that? regardless, you can be a chief of staff for a congressman by your late 20s if you play your cards right straight out of ug. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2535006&forum_id=2#25319653) |
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Date: April 4th, 2014 12:20 PM Author: Electric Milk (guy watching season 2 of House of Cards) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2535006&forum_id=2#25322069) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2014 10:42 PM Author: elite lay stain yea sure that works. but the masters degree does shit for him, he could have done that as a college sophomore. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2535006&forum_id=2#25319513) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2014 10:43 PM Author: Flatulent Institution Haunted Graveyard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2535006&forum_id=2#25319521) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2014 10:45 PM Author: elite lay stain ok. then an mpp would be a better bet. but you'd be better off doing it in your home state's capitol where you already have connections. being another shithead mpp intern in dc won't get you very far. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2535006&forum_id=2#25319535) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2014 10:47 PM Author: Sapphire Knife Probably would depend on the state, wouldn't it? Like if you wanted to get into West Virginia politics, you might be better off at WVU law than any MPP program. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2535006&forum_id=2#25319543) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2014 10:58 PM Author: elite lay stain i'm sure it varies from state to state but the most successful career track in politics starts something like ug internships --> graduate from ug --> field staff on congressional campaign --> campaign wins --> choice of working in dc, district office, or better position on another political campaign idk how successful an out-of-stater would be at pulling off wvu law but fwiw the past two CoS for the gov of wv have been from wvu law |
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Date: April 3rd, 2014 10:49 PM Author: Flatulent Institution Haunted Graveyard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2535006&forum_id=2#25319555) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2014 11:00 PM Author: elite lay stain that's way too overeducated for an entry-level job in politics. 23yo polisci shithead kids will be competing for the same jobs as you. but MBA/MPP would probably be better, though idk how you plan on going from ttt mba job --> mid-level political staffer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2535006&forum_id=2#25319639) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2014 11:07 PM Author: Flatulent Institution Haunted Graveyard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2535006&forum_id=2#25319704) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2014 11:12 PM Author: elite lay stain not really. non trads are rare in govt/politics unless you have a family/friend connection. almost every single CoS, deputy CoS, legislative director, press secretary, or any other high-level staffer i know has gotten the job with prior campaign/political experience. you don't apply for jobs like that. everything is about who you know. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2535006&forum_id=2#25319746) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2014 11:24 PM Author: Flatulent Institution Haunted Graveyard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2535006&forum_id=2#25319821) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2014 11:27 PM Author: elite lay stain i don't really know anyone working there but those jobs are mostly merit-based, not too political. mostly ivy league / econ phds. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2535006&forum_id=2#25319855) |
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Date: April 4th, 2014 2:01 PM Author: Passionate Brunch Volcanic Crater Without outing myself, let's just say I am a card carrying member of Washington / New York / Charlie Rose / cocktail hour at the Brookings institution crowd.
Along the way to my current role in the private sector, I have worked in the offices of two household name statesmen, and in so doing, have interacted with the staffs of inumerable congressmen and senators from bumblefuck. As others have noted, such jobs are almost universally gotten through campaign work and multiple unpaid internships which no one over the age of 25 should ever seriously consider taking unless you like licking stamps to get high. The number of politicos who have the right to hire as they please and will favor credentials over patronage / violating the spirit of minimum wage laws is exceedingly slim. Seriously, just forget about a "career" in politics. They don't fucking exist unless you run for office yourself or hitch you ride to someone before they get elected.
That said, MPP or JD's are both equally valuable for GS (general schedule) pay track in federal government - they are graded the same and receive the same comp for non-law roles. In my opinion, though, you are better off going to a good MPP program than a shitty JD program, since within federal agencies having an ivyish degree with help you stand out amongst a sea of George Mason, American University, Maryland, etc. grads. If you cannot get into a well regarded school for an MPP (I would say the floor is like Cornell or something), then you are better off doing the JD especially if you are not paying for it. Amongst two degrees from shit schools, a law degree conveys more competence to a boomer middle managers who suck off the federal tit for life.
As for the better private sector inside the beltway, places like Booz Allen, Accenture, IBM Government Solutions, etc. set the floor for hiring only mildly high. If you have any type of STEM degree they will hire you almost site unseen, but barring that, a MA in a pseudo-relevant subject from Georgetown, GWU or UVA is a lock for a paper pushing role in you have mil experience. Especially if you are a former office, you can usually get your old job back as a civilian with a handsome increase in pay.
I would seriously talk to some fucking people inside Washington though before persuing any degrees. If you are ex-military federal government is extremely credited career move, but you seem somewhat naive about what it is like.
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Date: April 3rd, 2014 10:43 PM Author: at-the-ready fear-inspiring chad there is no such thing as a "JD," generally, as useful for this. JDs from top law schools are "useful" because they represent prestige, access to job listings, and alumni networks. I am fucking amazed that folks think going to Bullshit Law School University will help them get into the good old boys/girls club. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2535006&forum_id=2#25319517) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2014 10:44 PM Author: Flatulent Institution Haunted Graveyard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2535006&forum_id=2#25319524) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2014 10:48 PM Author: at-the-ready fear-inspiring chad YLS > everything. And what the fuck, you titled this "government work" but then you're talking about local pol bullshit. For local pol, you need to KNOW THE GUY (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2535006&forum_id=2#25319552) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2014 10:54 PM Author: Flatulent Institution Haunted Graveyard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2535006&forum_id=2#25319590) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2014 11:54 PM Author: at-the-ready fear-inspiring chad SEE ABOVE. "Government work" generally refers to merit-based positions in career jobs. You are talking about local pol which is not at all merit based and is entirely, entirely who you know. GOOD LUCK (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2535006&forum_id=2#25320066) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2014 11:58 PM Author: Flatulent Institution Haunted Graveyard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2535006&forum_id=2#25320084) |
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Date: April 4th, 2014 12:03 AM Author: chest-beating office love of her life civil service you fucking moron. professional staff in state or federal agencies. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2535006&forum_id=2#25320106) |
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Date: April 4th, 2014 10:46 AM Author: Flatulent Institution Haunted Graveyard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2535006&forum_id=2#25321572) |
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Date: April 4th, 2014 10:47 AM Author: Gold private investor Don't even think you need a BA to work at the DMV bro. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2535006&forum_id=2#25321578) |
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Date: April 4th, 2014 12:10 PM Author: Flatulent Institution Haunted Graveyard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2535006&forum_id=2#25322019) |
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Date: August 21st, 2014 2:15 PM Author: Flatulent Institution Haunted Graveyard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2535006&forum_id=2#26177031) |
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Date: August 21st, 2014 3:09 PM Author: pale principal's office This thread has been answered. If you want a political job, don't bother, or get an MPP (because it's cheaper/quicker) and work on a campaign. I think you're military, so federal career jobs--read, not political jobs--may be CR for you.
There was an excellent point above: to boomer hiring managers, JDs are seen as more competent than MPPs. But, and this is a major but, the JDs are also seen by plenty of hiring managers as people who are not fit for jobs that are non-attorney roles. The number of policy jobs where a JD is seen as a advantage and are open to hiring people out of school may be 1/1000. It's not even worth considering.
IMHO, I would do an MPP at night at Georgetown or GW if you can't get into a school like Princeton or HKS. I agree the "floor" is something like Cornell (T15 programs or so) and that a JD from a T1 LS >>> every other MPP program.
The night program + military scholarships allows you to get work experience and keep COL debt down. Get 3 more years of professional experience + the MPP and then leverage it into something better. IMHO more 20-somethings should do night programs if they're serious about graduate school. |
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Date: August 21st, 2014 3:32 PM Author: fluffy patrolman native (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2535006&forum_id=2#26177498) |
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Date: August 21st, 2014 3:36 PM Author: Sooty regret just do syracuse #1 MPA. then you can get a fed job adjusting spreadsheets and making powerpoints and eventually make $90K in 16-17 years. life doesn't get much better. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2535006&forum_id=2#26177517) |
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Date: August 21st, 2014 3:41 PM Author: pale principal's office The best fed jobs for someone with an MPP or JD will get you to GS-13 after 2-3 years. Some people get lucky and get into GS-14 quickly after that. From what I understand, GS-15/SES is a crapshoot, but I have to imagine as the boomers retire, Millennials that started in government by age 30 or whatever would have a significant leg up.
150K+, pension, never getting fired, telework, no stress? That's so CR. |
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Date: August 21st, 2014 3:43 PM Author: judgmental orange meetinghouse lol
as boomers retire, they cop generous pensions. gov't budget stays the same, millennials never get promoted. |
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Date: August 21st, 2014 4:08 PM Author: pale principal's office and never cop DAT PENSION my above post is F L A M E
MILLENNIALS: NEVER NOT FUCKED |
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Date: August 21st, 2014 3:46 PM Author: Sooty regret the MPA ballers i know started way, way below that and 5+ years later aren't anywhere close to GS-13.
the 15 level jobs are very few and far between, and it starts getting modestly political at that level. if you think you can hit $150K doing generic fed paper pushing with just some shitmasters or a JD in under a decade, you are selling yourself on a pipe dream. |