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Boomer Oregon law prof's lengthy tirade begging for a raise

Several members of the law school email lists (which include...
Green Cruise Ship Jew
  04/15/14
way tl;dr, but it annoys me when people play the "this ...
Mind-boggling Swollen Site
  04/15/14
"(Personally, i give to Food for Lane Country, Planned ...
Green Cruise Ship Jew
  04/15/14
"Is this some kind of faculty version of white-man’s gu...
Green Cruise Ship Jew
  04/15/14
"Do I get to keep more of my raise because last year I ...
Green Cruise Ship Jew
  04/15/14
"My Summer Sports Institute – which the faculty voted w...
Green Cruise Ship Jew
  04/15/14
Stalin had the right idea about liquidating the Kulaks
Contagious gold whorehouse
  04/15/14
Somebody summarize this shit, this format is totally unreada...
henna really tough guy
  04/15/14
I just did breh, see the pullquotes above
Green Cruise Ship Jew
  04/15/14
Also it's pretty insane that we have people working for non-...
Contagious gold whorehouse
  04/15/14
tbf, we all know that "non-profit" doesn't mean &q...
henna really tough guy
  04/15/14
bro it's a special SPORTS clinic that's 50% minority and tur...
Green Cruise Ship Jew
  04/15/14
It's hilarious how the decline in demand for high-priced edu...
Chocolate Ratface
  04/15/14
The admin is useless and should be decreased. We should just...
Contagious gold whorehouse
  04/15/14
The face of a boomer: http://law.uoregon.edu/assets/faculty/...
Chocolate Ratface
  04/15/14
Williams BA, LOL@ this shitlibbery
Green Cruise Ship Jew
  04/15/14
to be fair, it looks like he was in BIGLAW for 7 yrs, so at ...
Chocolate Ratface
  04/15/14
Probably got forced out
Contagious gold whorehouse
  04/15/14
GEE I WONDER WHAT HAPPENS TO ASSOCIATES AFTER THEY'VE BEEN A...
Green Cruise Ship Jew
  04/15/14
Lol who cares. He is in top 1% of tenured law profs with exp...
Chocolate Ratface
  04/15/14
I feel that having given up the chance at a seven-figure ann...
shivering vivacious mediation toilet seat
  04/15/14
*buys lottery ticket, throws lottery ticket away* "I...
Contagious gold whorehouse
  04/15/14
...
big crusty public bath coffee pot
  04/16/14
And who asked you to do that, praytell?
Mind-boggling Swollen Site
  04/15/14
Guillotines
Chocolate Ratface
  04/15/14
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Green Cruise Ship Jew
  04/16/14


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Date: April 15th, 2014 11:45 AM
Author: Green Cruise Ship Jew

Several members of the law school email lists (which included staff, secretaries etc.) have forwarded these two emails from professor Rob Illig (Law) about a plan apparently floated by Law Dean Michael Moffitt (paid $292,800 after a recent raise) to deal with the law school’s enrollment problems and US News ranking, which has fallen from #80 to #100 since Moffitt took over in 2011.

The plan? Cancel raises for the faculty, and use the money to increase student scholarships create a program to give non-profits money to hire law school graduates, boosting the employment numbers that go into the US News rank.

Here are UO Law salaries for 2012-13, with comparison to other AAU publics:

Associate Professor Illig is not happy with Moffitt’s plan, or with the lack of transparency in how it was presented to the law faculty (who apparently voted to approve it).

Subject: Re: law-fac-staff: What happened to Oregon Law?

From: Rob Illig <rillig@uoregon.edu>

To: Rob Illig <rillig@uoregon.edu>

Cc: Dustin Littrell <littrell@uoregon.edu>, law-faculty Faculty <law-faculty@lists.uoregon.edu>, “law-fac-staff@lists.uoregon.edu Staff List” <law-fac-staff@lists.uoregon.edu>, Dan Miller <dmiller@uoregon.edu>

Michael,

To my shock and amazement, I just learned – three days after the faculty

meeting – that someone (you? the faculty?) is trying to take away my

one-in-a-decade chance at a raise WITHOUT MY KNOWLEDGE OR CONSENT.

Why did I not know that this was on the agenda for the faculty meeting?

Was the lack of notice intentional? (And was there a quorum?)

Why did no one announce the result? Certainly, someone changing my

salary without my knowledge seems like something I would like to hear

about. Was someone hoping I and the others who were unable to attend

simply wouldn’t notice until it was too late?

Note that I was unable to attend only because the regularly scheduled

faculty meeting was recently re-scheduled to conflict with the Oregon

Law Review’s long-planned academic symposium at which I was presenting.

(And, by the way, the complete absence of the deans and faculty at that

symposium was noticeable and embarrassing. A number of the very students

we are trying to support asked why their other law review advisors,

their deans, and their friends on the faculty failed to show up to

support them. I was, in truth, ashamed and had no good explanation – and

many of the students were clearly angry and disillusioned. Expect

another class to graduate with ill feelings toward us. And throwing a

few scholarships their way won’t make up for our failure to be there

when they need us.)

But back to the point – voting on this important a decision without

notice and without serious consideration was a gross breach not only of

procedure but of TRUST.

What did the agenda say? “Discussion of Graduate Fellowships.” Pardon my

French, but this is absolute bullshit. Colleagues do not ambush one

another like this.

How can I trust the administration or any of my faculty colleagues? No

wonder we’ve become a third-tier law school. Who’s going to want to come

here to study or teach in this kind of poisonous atmosphere?

As soon as money got tight, we seem to have turned on one another as if

this was a zero-sum game. Well, it isn’t. And enough is enough.

I’ve watched as our culture has eroded now for almost three years.

Everyone is in everyone else’s business, instead of their own. Everyone

is worried about what everyone else is getting, not what they can

personally contribute. If some professor or professors want to donate

their raise to the students – or to some other worthy charity – that’s

their business. (Personally, i give to Food for Lane Country, Planned

Parenthood, and the United Way. I feel that having given up the chance

at a seven-figure annual income is charity enough for the students, and

I am particularly saddened by hungry children. Maybe I should move that

the recipients of summer stipends donate those funds to the poor and

needy?)

We need a strategy. We need teamwork. We need an Oregon culture where

everyone can trust one another. Please, please, can we go back to the

Oregon I love?

Robert C. Illig

Dean’s Distinguished Faculty Fellow

Director, Oregon Law Summer Sports Institute

William W. Knight Law Center

1221 University of Oregon

Eugene, Oregon 97403

Followed by:

Subject: Re: law-fac-staff: What happened to Oregon Law?

From: Rob Illig <rillig@uoregon.edu>

To: Rob Illig <rillig@uoregon.edu>

Cc: Dustin Littrell <littrell@uoregon.edu>, law-faculty Faculty <law-faculty@lists.uoregon.edu>, “law-fac-staff@lists.uoregon.edu Staff List” <law-fac-staff@lists.uoregon.edu>, Dan Miller <dmiller@uoregon.edu>

Folks,

I’m sorry, but I just can’t stop thinking about what I’ve just heard. I

am truly in shock. Who is paying attention at this law school to our

culture?

No wonder the students and faculty are disillusioned and our ranking is

plummeting.

As I learn more of the details of Friday’s proposal, I am even more

perplexed by its logic and frightened by its poison.

Is this some kind of faculty version of white-man’s guilt? We see

students without jobs and think that if we throw them a few of our

dollars we can go back to our scholarship and not worry about whether

they are getting real careers and real training? We can study the 17th

Century and believe we are preparing them for the 21st?

What we owe them is our time and effort and skill, not our paltry raises

(which, by the way, don’t even cover the increase in the cost of

living).

And why stop at our raises? Why didn’t the proposal include the summer

stipends that a shrinking minority of the faculty received? Why not

donate those to the students as well?

We each face different financial pressures. And we each make all sorts

of charitable and other contributions, in both money and kind. Should we

put them all on the table? Do I get to keep more of my raise because

last year I gave more to the United Way than any other dean or faculty

member, even though I am by no means the highest paid? or because I gave

up the most salary when I joined the academy? or because my wife is

chair of the city’s budget committee and personally pushed through a

multi-million dollar bond measure to rebuild a number of 4J’s aging

schools?

And what about faculty with no children or elderly parents to care for?

Should they give more? Or faculty who purchased their houses when prices

were low instead of high? i have only one daughter whose college I must

pay for, but [names deleted] have

more. Should I be asked to donate more to the student fellowships since

my expenses will presumably be lower? What if my daughter does to a

lower priced state school instead of a private college? Should that make

a difference?

And am I to blame for the bad economy? Are my efforts so lacking as to

make the difference between students with jobs and without? Is my

teaching and mentoring so deficient as to merit what is essentially a

pay cut, given that Johnson Hall has already approved the monies?

These are questions we just shouldn’t be asking. That’s why faculty

don’t set each other’s salaries. It is nothing but poison to start

digging into what is fair in terms of needs.

We are the most underpaid unit on campus, according to Johnson Hall

figures. Is it possible that our third-tier status is actually related

to the fact that our incomes are falling as compared to the cost of

living? as compared to our competitors? Is it possible that when you pay

more you get more?

And what are the sponsors of the proposal doing to raise law school

income? My Summer Sports Institute – which the faculty voted wasn’t a

priority – is already projected to bring profit into the law school, not

to mention a reputational boost. I’ve got faculty from top 50 schools,

plus students from places like Michigan and McGill. Our reputation has

spread as far as South Africa and Turkey, with interested students there

trying to raise the funds to come to Eugene. The students are also close

to 50% minorities. And, again, it’s going to be profitable in its very

first year.

Telling me (or anyone else in this law school, whether they are faculty

or staff) that I (or they) don’t deserve a raise approved by Johnson

Hall is simply insulting. And going down that path starts to put us in

the place of K-12 educators, where well-meaning teachers would like to

do more but aren’t being rewarded to do more. It puts the teachers

against the students. And without an occasional raise, where do you

think I’m going to be incentivized to put my efforts?

The culprit here isn’t us. So let’s stop turning our anger and our

efforts on each other.

If you want to lead, lead my example, not by fiat. And certainly not by

ambush.

We had a once-great culture that I was proud to join. But it isn’t

standing up to the test of the economic uncertainty. We need to work

together and be proud of one another’s many varied achievements. And we

need to help the students with our real, individual efforts, not with

symbolic gestures that undercut our trust in one another.

This is not the Oregon I knew.

Robert C. Illig

Dean’s Distinguished Faculty Fellow

Director, Oregon Law Summer Sports Institute

William W. Knight Law Center

1221 University of Oregon

Eugene, Oregon 97403

http://www.uomatters.com/2014/04/uo-law-school-prof-angry-about-plan-to-use-his-raise-for-scholarships.html

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2543943&forum_id=2#25386498)



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Date: April 15th, 2014 11:47 AM
Author: Mind-boggling Swollen Site

way tl;dr, but it annoys me when people play the "this isn't the same place I grew to love" card.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2543943&forum_id=2#25386506)



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Date: April 15th, 2014 11:50 AM
Author: Green Cruise Ship Jew

"(Personally, i give to Food for Lane Country, Planned Parenthood, and the United Way. I feel that having given up the chance at a seven-figure annual income is charity enough for the students, and I am particularly saddened by hungry children. Maybe I should move that the recipients of summer stipends donate those funds to the poor and needy?)"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2543943&forum_id=2#25386523)



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Date: April 15th, 2014 11:51 AM
Author: Green Cruise Ship Jew

"Is this some kind of faculty version of white-man’s guilt?"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2543943&forum_id=2#25386525)



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Date: April 15th, 2014 11:51 AM
Author: Green Cruise Ship Jew

"Do I get to keep more of my raise because last year I gave more to the United Way than any other dean or faculty member, even though I am by no means the highest paid? or because I gave up the most salary when I joined the academy? or because my wife is chair of the city’s budget committee and personally pushed through a multi-million dollar bond measure to rebuild a number of 4J’s aging schools?"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2543943&forum_id=2#25386530)



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Date: April 15th, 2014 11:53 AM
Author: Green Cruise Ship Jew

"My Summer Sports Institute – which the faculty voted wasn’t a priority – is already projected to bring profit into the law school, not to mention a reputational boost. I’ve got faculty from top 50 schools, plus students from places like Michigan and McGill. Our reputation has spread as far as South Africa and Turkey, with interested students there trying to raise the funds to come to Eugene. The students are also close to 50% minorities. And, again, it’s going to be profitable in its very first year."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2543943&forum_id=2#25386547)



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Date: April 15th, 2014 11:54 AM
Author: Contagious gold whorehouse

Stalin had the right idea about liquidating the Kulaks

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2543943&forum_id=2#25386554)



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Date: April 15th, 2014 11:56 AM
Author: henna really tough guy

Somebody summarize this shit, this format is totally unreadable.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2543943&forum_id=2#25386562)



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Date: April 15th, 2014 11:57 AM
Author: Green Cruise Ship Jew

I just did breh, see the pullquotes above

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2543943&forum_id=2#25386564)



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Date: April 15th, 2014 11:58 AM
Author: Contagious gold whorehouse

Also it's pretty insane that we have people working for non-profit, government funded institutions talking about how important it is to "bring profit" to the law school.

What the fuck is wrong with people?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2543943&forum_id=2#25386571)



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Date: April 15th, 2014 11:59 AM
Author: henna really tough guy

tbf, we all know that "non-profit" doesn't mean "operate at a loss"



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2543943&forum_id=2#25386576)



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Date: April 15th, 2014 11:59 AM
Author: Green Cruise Ship Jew

bro it's a special SPORTS clinic that's 50% minority and turns a profit, what's wrong, I'm sure people get crazy jobs out of it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2543943&forum_id=2#25386577)



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Date: April 15th, 2014 12:03 PM
Author: Chocolate Ratface

It's hilarious how the decline in demand for high-priced education is leading to these Admin vs. Faculty wars. Boomer on boomer action. I tend to side with faculty, however. At least they are integral to the college. The admin is useless and should be decreased. We should just go back to the days of faculty basically being the admin.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2543943&forum_id=2#25386589)



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Date: April 15th, 2014 12:04 PM
Author: Contagious gold whorehouse

The admin is useless and should be decreased. We should just go back to the days of faculty basically being the admin.

This

It will help eliminate the Vice Deans of Transexual Eskimo Inclusion

all these positions are a fucking drag on productive aspects of academia

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2543943&forum_id=2#25386603)



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Date: April 15th, 2014 12:06 PM
Author: Chocolate Ratface

The face of a boomer: http://law.uoregon.edu/assets/faculty/rillig.jpg

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2543943&forum_id=2#25386608)



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Date: April 15th, 2014 12:12 PM
Author: Green Cruise Ship Jew

Williams BA, LOL@ this shitlibbery

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2543943&forum_id=2#25386641)



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Date: April 15th, 2014 12:22 PM
Author: Chocolate Ratface

to be fair, it looks like he was in BIGLAW for 7 yrs, so at least he isn't the typical entitled straight to law prof shithead

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2543943&forum_id=2#25386689)



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Date: April 15th, 2014 12:26 PM
Author: Contagious gold whorehouse

Probably got forced out

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2543943&forum_id=2#25386709)



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Date: April 15th, 2014 12:55 PM
Author: Green Cruise Ship Jew

GEE I WONDER WHAT HAPPENS TO ASSOCIATES AFTER THEY'VE BEEN AT A FIRM FOR 7 YEARS, PROBABLY NOTHING SIGNIFICANT

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2543943&forum_id=2#25386883)



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Date: April 15th, 2014 12:57 PM
Author: Chocolate Ratface

Lol who cares. He is in top 1% of tenured law profs with exp actual practicing

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2543943&forum_id=2#25386899)



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Date: April 15th, 2014 12:25 PM
Author: shivering vivacious mediation toilet seat

I feel that having given up the chance at a seven-figure annual income is charity enough for the students.

--sounds like tmf

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2543943&forum_id=2#25386704)



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Date: April 15th, 2014 12:26 PM
Author: Contagious gold whorehouse

*buys lottery ticket, throws lottery ticket away*

"I have given up the chance at a 9 figure income"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2543943&forum_id=2#25386714)



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Date: April 16th, 2014 9:07 AM
Author: big crusty public bath coffee pot



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2543943&forum_id=2#25391719)



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Date: April 15th, 2014 12:47 PM
Author: Mind-boggling Swollen Site

And who asked you to do that, praytell?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2543943&forum_id=2#25386846)



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Date: April 15th, 2014 1:00 PM
Author: Chocolate Ratface

Guillotines

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2543943&forum_id=2#25386910)



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Date: April 16th, 2014 8:37 AM
Author: Green Cruise Ship Jew



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2543943&forum_id=2#25391700)