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Date: April 15th, 2014 1:29 PM Author: Bronze dashing roommate goal in life How Being a Doctor Became the Most Miserable Profession
Nine of 10 doctors discourage others from joining the profession, and 300 physicians commit suicide every year. When did it get this bad?
Simply put, being a doctor has become a miserable and humiliating undertaking. Indeed, many doctors feel that America has declared war on physicians—and both physicians and patients are the losers.
Not surprisingly, many doctors want out. Medical students opt for high-paying specialties so they can retire as quickly as possible. Physician MBA programs—that promise doctors a way into management—are flourishing. The website known as the Drop-Out-Club—which hooks doctors up with jobs at hedge funds and venture capital firms—has a solid following. In fact, physicians are so bummed out that 9 out of 10 doctors would discourage anyone from entering the profession.
Neither patients nor doctors are happy about [doctors spending such a significant amount of time processing insurance claims]. What worries many doctors, however, is that the Affordable Care Act has codified this broken system into law. While forcing everyone to buy health insurance, ACA might have mandated a uniform or streamlined claims procedure that would have gone a long way to improving access to care. As Malcolm Gladwell noted, “You don’t train someone for all of those years in [medicine]… and then have them run a claims processing operation for insurance companies.”
In fact, difficulty dealing with insurers has caused many physicians to close their practices and become employees. But for patients, seeing an employed doctor doesn’t give them more time with the doctor—since employed physicians also have high patient loads. “A panel size of 2,000 to 2,500 patients is too many,” says Dr. Schimpff. That’s the number of patients primary care doctors typically are forced to carry—and that means seeing 24 or more patients a day, and often these patients have 10 or more medical problems. As any seasoned physician knows, this is do-able, but it’s certainly not optimal.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/04/14/how-being-a-doctor-became-the-most-miserable-profession.html |
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Date: April 15th, 2014 1:36 PM Author: Bearded Twisted Twinkling Uncleanness "many doctors feel that America has declared war on physicians"
*fires $100 bills at doctor* |
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Date: April 15th, 2014 1:56 PM Author: Crusty Temple Main People (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2543996&forum_id=2#25387161) |
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Date: April 15th, 2014 2:16 PM Author: Lemon Histrionic Marketing Idea Menage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2543996&forum_id=2#25387278) |
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Date: April 15th, 2014 3:39 PM Author: Supple Nursing Home (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2543996&forum_id=2#25387769) |
Date: April 15th, 2014 1:38 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle resort I know 4 MDS. Every one of them says it is a horrible profession. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2543996&forum_id=2#25387098) |
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Date: April 15th, 2014 1:39 PM Author: Bearded Twisted Twinkling Uncleanness http://i.imgur.com/KaWxPAw.gif (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2543996&forum_id=2#25387104) |
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Date: April 15th, 2014 1:43 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle resort they do well but they all work their asses off and have been for like ten years. Not worth it imo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2543996&forum_id=2#25387119) |
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Date: April 15th, 2014 2:23 PM Author: Indecent Locale Sneaky Criminal was hoping it was that gif (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2543996&forum_id=2#25387314) |
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Date: April 16th, 2014 3:24 AM Author: heady theater persian what is it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2543996&forum_id=2#25391541) |
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Date: April 16th, 2014 1:09 PM Author: provocative stock car set Black dude slapping white girl's buttcheeks with his BBC. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2543996&forum_id=2#25392615) |
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Date: April 15th, 2014 1:42 PM Author: vibrant crystalline deer antler casino shitboomer jewish parents realized this a long time ago, and taught their kids to avoid med school. lol @ all the indian and azn strivers dominating med schools. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2543996&forum_id=2#25387115) |
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Date: April 15th, 2014 1:42 PM Author: Multi-colored property complete bullshit...
doctors are mad because they "only" make 300k while their peers in tech & finance make much more
what they don't realize is that those elite tech/finance gigs are very limited and only exist in NYC/SF
but most doctors are striver fucks w/ god complexes who think they deserve to make more than anyone, so the thought of non-doctors making more makes them little crybabies who want to quit |
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Date: April 15th, 2014 1:44 PM Author: Bearded Twisted Twinkling Uncleanness "while their peers in tech & finance make much more"
No, their "peers."
Every doctor loves pretending that he could have been a finance masterman if he had only chosen to do so, but that's bullshit. |
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Date: April 15th, 2014 1:57 PM Author: Multi-colored property exactly, doctors think they should be making the most money, so when they realize that they're not, they get upset
but for 95% of America, doctors are the big fish` |
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Date: April 15th, 2014 1:45 PM Author: Bronze dashing roommate goal in life to be fair they have like 400k debt and don't start making $$$ until like 10 yrs later than the normal professional. so they don't even have positive net worth for quite some time and the day to day of practicing law sucks and is depressing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2543996&forum_id=2#25387129) |
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Date: April 15th, 2014 1:57 PM Author: Multi-colored property 400k debt is the extreme upper end and they can pay that off within a couple years of working so it's no big deal
a comment from the article
"My son, a physician, complained about his loans after he graduated, but he made enough that he could take safaris in South Africa and visit Thailand and Tibet in his first five years out of residency. They aren't hurting nearly as much as you pretend." |
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Date: April 15th, 2014 2:02 PM Author: Bronze dashing roommate goal in life lol yeah okay a couple years of working. unless they want to live like poors during their 30s, try more like 10. so they will be like 45+ when they finally have a positive net worth. not saying that going into med is a bad investment, but golden handcuffs are real and take a psychological toll. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2543996&forum_id=2#25387196) |
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Date: April 15th, 2014 2:05 PM Author: Multi-colored property nah man...even if they pay 50k/yr over 10 years, that's not a big deal when they pull 200k+ after taxes
oh noes, living on 150k/yr after tax is definitly the poor house amirite? |
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Date: April 15th, 2014 2:06 PM Author: Bronze dashing roommate goal in life man anyone who works BIGLAW with significant student loans has the same kind of depression. yeah they can afford the loan payments but it's depressing as fuck to be forced to work a job you don't even like to pay for student loans that you took out to do a job you don't like. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2543996&forum_id=2#25387221) |
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Date: April 16th, 2014 1:11 PM Author: provocative stock car set It's like a flame within a flame. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2543996&forum_id=2#25392623) |
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Date: April 15th, 2014 2:07 PM Author: Trip factory reset button gas station Most do not pull 200k+ after taxes. Specialists do, but plenty of psych/im/peds/primary care docs are not even clearing that pretax. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2543996&forum_id=2#25387224) |
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Date: April 15th, 2014 2:10 PM Author: Multi-colored property specialists are the norm these days. even the extremely average med students go on to do specialities and fellowships (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2543996&forum_id=2#25387239) |
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Date: April 15th, 2014 2:13 PM Author: Emerald thriller business firm sweet tailpipe flame, right? out of 30k residencies every year, ~100 are for plastics and ~300 are for derm. similar numbers for most high-paying specialties. it is definitely not the norm |
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Date: April 15th, 2014 2:19 PM Author: Multi-colored property not flame
plastics & derm are the tippy top of the mark, but there are so many high-paying specalities, surgical specialities, etc. I know some dumb chick who did a gastro fellowship, another average dood doing an ortho fellowship.
of course, they are not dumb, probably median intelligence amongst their peers, but they will be doing great |
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Date: April 15th, 2014 2:22 PM Author: stirring aggressive halford hall gastro is the MOST competitive fellowship out of IM and ortho residencies are only ~800 out of the 30k. the VAST majority are primary care. why do you think specialist pay is so much higher? restricted supply. if there were a ton of specialists, then they sure as hell wouldn't be pulling in 500k like they are now. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2543996&forum_id=2#25387306) |
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Date: April 15th, 2014 2:15 PM Author: Canary vivacious corn cake um, no.
Also, many specialists don't even make that much. Loads of endocrinologists, nephrologists, pulmonary/CC docs make less than or slightly above FM or hospitalists.
OB/GYN gets slaughtered by malpractice, so many docs go to practiing strictly GYN which isn't very profitable.
Cards, GI, Heme/Onc are the real high paying medicine specialties, and those fellowships are very hard to match into, especially from a general community-type residency.
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Date: April 15th, 2014 1:54 PM Author: avocado geriatric idea he suggested theatre This does not comport with my experience in the least. The doctors I've known -- even, or perhaps, especially, the ones who are considered to be "top" in their profession (e.g., the surgical mastermen) -- tend to be quiet, humble, and unassuming, quite contrary to the image of an "alpha" doctor that you'll see from time to time on television. Think more multi-millionaire-next-door types than ... I don't know, Alpha George Clooney racing through the Canyons in his Ferrari after an emergency surgery, model on his side.
Having said that, most of the physicians I know are established -- I don't know many physicians just starting out and maybe there's been a generational shift in attitude with the latest crop of bright-eyed healers. Two shots to Tut; and a snitch named Haitian Jack; this is the realest shit I ever wrote; the truest shit I ever spoke. |
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Date: April 15th, 2014 1:56 PM Author: Emerald thriller business firm sweet tailpipe (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2543996&forum_id=2#25387162) |
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Date: April 15th, 2014 1:57 PM Author: Bronze dashing roommate goal in life There isn't a shift in attitude. Do you ever read bogleheads? It's full of boomer doctors who hate their profession. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2543996&forum_id=2#25387166) |
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Date: April 15th, 2014 1:59 PM Author: avocado geriatric idea he suggested theatre I wouldn't let people anonymously bitching on boggleheads characterize the profession. That said, I think it is fair to say that many established physicians -- including the successful ones -- do go around telling people not to enter the profession any longer, mostly out of a sense that things are going to change drastically over the next couple decades. But that doesn't mean that they have these caricatured aggressive, craven personalities as suggested above. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2543996&forum_id=2#25387178) |
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Date: April 15th, 2014 1:59 PM Author: Bronze dashing roommate goal in life Lol I guess law is fine then (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2543996&forum_id=2#25387181) |
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Date: April 15th, 2014 2:00 PM Author: avocado geriatric idea he suggested theatre Brother: Law. Scholarly Philosophers; We Like It Here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2543996&forum_id=2#25387188) |
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Date: April 15th, 2014 2:03 PM Author: Trip factory reset button gas station This is 100% consistent with my experience. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2543996&forum_id=2#25387206) |
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Date: April 15th, 2014 2:09 PM Author: Comical church doctors are miserable! Attend newly opened Indiana Tech law school! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2543996&forum_id=2#25387235) |
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Date: April 15th, 2014 2:11 PM Author: Emerald thriller business firm sweet tailpipe the kind of doctor who grinds throughout college, studies nonstop every day of the week during medical school, and works 100 hour weeks every week during their 7 year residency making sub-minimum wage probably has the competency to land an IBD/tech gig so no doubt they're MAF about the opportunity cost of their profession they should just try to be like this dood and do some finance on the side http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Burry |
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Date: April 15th, 2014 2:16 PM Author: Bearded Twisted Twinkling Uncleanness Most doctors went to shitty undergrads and never had a shot at elite finance or tech jobs. |
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Date: April 15th, 2014 2:16 PM Author: walnut mildly autistic laser beams To be fair,
XO on being a doctor: "Oh boo hoo, cry me a fucking river--you only make $200k a year? How ever will you service your six figures of debt and quickly pay it all off, all while living a nice upper middle class lifestyle in your 30s and enjoying a considerable degree of social prestige? Too bad these whiny fucks think they are are better than everyone else and deserve to be paid the most out of any profession because they are 'uniquely miserable' or something. And lol @ all of them thinking they could have made it in finance."
XO on being a biglawyer: "LJL @ this shit profession that works me to the bone and keeps me checking my BB and canceling night and weekend plans, all to do a bunch of boring paper pushing. Maybe if I was getting rich it would be worth it, but I have six figures worth of debt to pay down so I feel broke as fuck in addition to being constantly stressed. I should have just done entrepreneurship and paid myself. Law is the worst. Fuck this shit." |
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Date: April 15th, 2014 2:17 PM Author: Lime chapel blood rage (non-doctor non-lawyer megaposter) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2543996&forum_id=2#25387283) |
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Date: April 15th, 2014 2:19 PM Author: stirring aggressive halford hall Not a fair comparison. What doctors do and study isn't even difficult, it's all just memorization. Compare that to the intellectual demand of a biglaw gig in which you're constantly mired in research and creation (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2543996&forum_id=2#25387294) |
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Date: April 15th, 2014 2:21 PM Author: walnut mildly autistic laser beams To be fair,
"It's not like people are dying if they fuck up or something, but if *I* miss a rogue comma..." |
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Date: April 15th, 2014 2:30 PM Author: Bronze dashing roommate goal in life (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2543996&forum_id=2#25387345) |
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Date: April 16th, 2014 6:56 AM Author: Effete People Who Are Hurt Stead in all seriousness - doctors fucking kill people all the time by fucking shit up. it is not a big deal to them - they say fuck it and no one really gets upset cos they ALL do it.
lawyer gets firm sued for malpractice and your done in this career. |
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Date: April 16th, 2014 1:24 PM Author: Emerald thriller business firm sweet tailpipe ?? doctor gets sued for malpractice and gets his license revoked and he is also done in this career. doctors killing people due to their own gross incompetence isn't *that* common. most of the people hospitalists deal with are on the edge of death anyway (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2543996&forum_id=2#25392707) |
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Date: April 15th, 2014 2:33 PM Author: Canary vivacious corn cake can't tell if this is flame or not, either way 180. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2543996&forum_id=2#25387353) |
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Date: April 15th, 2014 2:41 PM Author: Wonderful skinny woman scourge upon the earth Nice job flaming (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2543996&forum_id=2#25387396) |
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Date: April 15th, 2014 2:59 PM Author: Lime chapel blood rage "creation" was a 180 touch brother strong post (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2543996&forum_id=2#25387485) |
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Date: April 16th, 2014 1:14 PM Author: provocative stock car set i.e., creating value. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2543996&forum_id=2#25392643) |
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Date: April 15th, 2014 5:38 PM Author: jade personal credit line national rofl (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2543996&forum_id=2#25388541) |
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Date: April 16th, 2014 3:42 AM Author: Azure Idiot University LOL. noobs pay attention to this. the lol didn't come till the last word. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2543996&forum_id=2#25391552) |
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Date: April 15th, 2014 2:30 PM Author: Bronze dashing roommate goal in life (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2543996&forum_id=2#25387346) |
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Date: April 15th, 2014 2:16 PM Author: Lime chapel blood rage i know several doctors and they all love it now that theyre done with their fellowships. one clears 900k a year with his geriatric practice in suburban phoenix. another is married to a doctor and they have 4 young kids together and basically both work half-time for one full-time doctors salary. one "only" makes 150k in a third-tier city working 40 hours a week and taking call one week a month |
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Date: April 15th, 2014 2:18 PM Author: Bearded Twisted Twinkling Uncleanness "one clears 900k a year with his geriatric practice in suburban phoenix."
You expect us to believe that a new doctor in a low-paying specialty makes an extremely high income? |
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Date: April 15th, 2014 2:20 PM Author: Lime chapel blood rage yes. he has a staff of about 10 including several PAs. this is how doctors make lots of money: use LPNs and PAs as "extenders." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2543996&forum_id=2#25387297) |
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Date: April 15th, 2014 2:21 PM Author: Bearded Twisted Twinkling Uncleanness http://i.imgur.com/MrMHoYV.gif (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2543996&forum_id=2#25387301) |
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Date: April 15th, 2014 2:23 PM Author: Lime chapel blood rage well you dont know shit about how doctors make money then brother. if you have the patients (and the sun city/sunc city west area of phoenix has lots of geriatric folks) then you can bill your ass off using PAs and LPNs. I'm sure the doc works very long hours but he's obviously in it for the money (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2543996&forum_id=2#25387313) |
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Date: April 15th, 2014 2:26 PM Author: Bearded Twisted Twinkling Uncleanness Almost every private practice doctor has nurses and whatnot. You're asking us to believe that a young doctor in a low-paying specialty is making an extremely unusual income (that you just happen to know).
Sure, it happens. Lottery winners exist. But I still don't believe you.
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Date: April 15th, 2014 2:31 PM Author: Lime chapel blood rage not every doctor even owns his own practice. this guy wanted to gun hard, and 3 years after a geriatric residency this is what he makes with about 5 PAs and some other staff. whether you believe me or not is kind of a matter of indifference to me at this point. I'm not a doctor, I'm not bragging about myself, I'm just letting you know that as a doctor you can either (1) ball, or (2) live a chill lifestyle if you know how to play the game. I promise you these facts were conveyed to me by the guy himself. He was certainly bragging, and possibly exaggerating, but this is what he said and how he explained it. not to outself, but I'm related to a person that teaches an internal medicine residency. these are former residents. |
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Date: April 15th, 2014 2:33 PM Author: Canary vivacious corn cake *wants to "gun hard"*
*goes into geriatrics* |
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Date: April 15th, 2014 2:35 PM Author: Lime chapel blood rage more like *gets shit board scores* *internal medicine residency* *hears about dude making bank in floriday with a geriatrics practice using multiple PAs/LPNs* *gets geriatric fellowship* *sets up same type of thing in Phoenix* |
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Date: April 15th, 2014 2:35 PM Author: stirring aggressive halford hall (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2543996&forum_id=2#25387364) |
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Date: April 15th, 2014 2:35 PM Author: stirring aggressive halford hall flame that he had the capital to start a practice right after residency. did he not have student loans? reimbursement for geriatrics is so low that it barely covers overhead for most practices, so for him to move into a market and be able to amass the kind of patient volume needed to generate 900k personal profit for him (think of how much he'd need to gross to cop this) is ludicrous |
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Date: April 15th, 2014 2:37 PM Author: Lime chapel blood rage brother you'd have to ask him about student loans. again, i swear to you this is true, but if you want to call flame then fine. its pretty fucking borign flame. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2543996&forum_id=2#25387370) |
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Date: April 15th, 2014 2:21 PM Author: Canary vivacious corn cake do these LPNs and PAs not get paid?
He might be GROSSING $900k, but I don't believe that's what actually ends up in his pocket at the end of the year.
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Date: April 15th, 2014 2:24 PM Author: Lime chapel blood rage he said he wanted to net a million, but netted a little over 900k. do you not realize how much you can bill with 5 PAs? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2543996&forum_id=2#25387318) |
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Date: April 15th, 2014 2:26 PM Author: Canary vivacious corn cake Do you? Or are you just lapping up whatever this "buddy" tells you? Geriatrics is basically regular internal medicine, just for old people. It's not a very high paying specialty. Could someone net $900k doing this? Yeah, I'm sure it's possible, but they would be in the top .001% of their profession. If it's true then more power to your bro. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2543996&forum_id=2#25387331) |
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Date: April 15th, 2014 2:34 PM Author: Lime chapel blood rage look man, I didnt audit his books. This is really what he told me though, so short of a PDF of somebody's tax return, this is as good as it gets for good information on XO. He's probably top 1% of geriatricians. But he's far from the only one who moved to a retirement area and set up a practice like this with the intention to make as much money as he can. |
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Date: April 15th, 2014 2:37 PM Author: Canary vivacious corn cake "He's probably top 1% of geriatricians. But he's far from the only one who moved to a retirement area and set up a practice like this with the intention to make as much money as he can."
This is what makes me doubt it even more, since places like Arizona and S. Fla are over-saturated with doctors and medical professionals catering to retirees. The competition in these areas is fierce, which actually keeps earning potential low. |
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Date: April 15th, 2014 2:39 PM Author: Lime chapel blood rage so your position is that florida and arizona are OVERsupplied with geriatricians? geriatrics is one of the most UNDERsupplied specialties out there, in part because it is "unprestigious" and traditionally doesnt pay that well i like you as a poster but you have no fucking idea what youre talking about on this one |
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Date: April 15th, 2014 2:41 PM Author: Canary vivacious corn cake I don't have hard numbers in front of me, and I could be wrong, but yes, in general, major metro markets tend to have an oversupply of doctors relative to demand, which is why when you look at regional salary surveys for MDs, the highest salaries tend to be in the Mountain West and rural South East, and not in places like CA, NY and FL
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Date: April 15th, 2014 2:42 PM Author: Lime chapel blood rage I like how we've shifted from geriatricians to "doctors" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2543996&forum_id=2#25387399) |
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Date: April 15th, 2014 2:44 PM Author: stirring aggressive halford hall primary care suffers the WORST pay drops (by percentage) in major metro areas. there are peds and IMs in NYC who make only 120k. geriatricians are PCPs, fyi (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2543996&forum_id=2#25387408) |
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Date: April 15th, 2014 2:45 PM Author: Lime chapel blood rage brother geriatricians who work for hospuitals only make 120k I'm sure. http://www.americangeriatrics.org/files/documents/Adv_Resources/demand_for_geriatric_care.pdf http://www.americangeriatrics.org/advocacy_public_policy/gwps/gwps_faqs/id:3186 http://www.rand.org/blog/2012/08/addressing-the-geriatrician-shortage-may-help-reduce.html |
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Date: April 15th, 2014 2:49 PM Author: stirring aggressive halford hall note that i said in NYC. it's probably around 200k. now pull up some numbers on geriatric reimbursement in a private practice setting. these guys don't do the big procedures that rake in money. his practice is entirely volume based, so for him to amass the kind of volume out of residency to clear 900k after the overhead of a 15 employee practice is insane. if it happened, good for him, but trying to say this is typical or within reach for the average IM doc leaving residency with 250k debt is disingenuous (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2543996&forum_id=2#25387430) |
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Date: April 15th, 2014 2:51 PM Author: Lime chapel blood rage I'm only providing anecdotal evidence. Its a true fucking anecdote though and the nex person that calls bullshit can meet me at the park and its going down (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2543996&forum_id=2#25387440) |
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Date: April 15th, 2014 2:45 PM Author: Canary vivacious corn cake I'm not shifting at all. You seem to be clinging on to this xo fantasy a bit too hard though.
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Date: April 15th, 2014 2:46 PM Author: Lime chapel blood rage http://www.americangeriatrics.org/files/documents/Adv_Resources/demand_for_geriatric_care.pdf brother I just thought people would appreciate my info and I'm a little pissed that people are calling bullshit. I dont come on here to bullshit |
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Date: April 15th, 2014 2:47 PM Author: Canary vivacious corn cake settle down there hoss, you're still cool in my book. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2543996&forum_id=2#25387423) |
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Date: April 15th, 2014 2:49 PM Author: Lime chapel blood rage youre my nigga. for some reason I do get pissed fo real when people on the internet think I'm full of shit though (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2543996&forum_id=2#25387428) |
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Date: April 15th, 2014 2:41 PM Author: stirring aggressive halford hall it's undersupplied in rural/shithole areas, but not in livable regions like phoenix/FL. and plenty of DOs and international MDs to fill the gaps where american MDs don't (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2543996&forum_id=2#25387395) |
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Date: April 15th, 2014 2:45 PM Author: Lime chapel blood rage http://www.americangeriatrics.org/files/documents/Adv_Resources/demand_for_geriatric_care.pdf (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2543996&forum_id=2#25387416) |
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Date: April 15th, 2014 2:47 PM Author: Canary vivacious corn cake FYI, 99% of those 1600 geriatricians practice in Arizona and South Florida. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2543996&forum_id=2#25387420) |
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Date: April 15th, 2014 2:47 PM Author: Lime chapel blood rage negro please (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2543996&forum_id=2#25387421) |
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Date: April 16th, 2014 12:17 PM Author: startling buff roast beef area Complete retarded flame (I say this as someone who is married to a doctor). Grossing 900K may be possible in this field, but netting it would probably make him the richest guy in his specialty.
Since geriatrics is mostly medicare based, do you care to provide name or even the zip code of your "buddy"?
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/04/09/health/medicare-doctor-database.html |
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Date: April 16th, 2014 1:20 PM Author: sick brunch kitty Lol, pwned. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2543996&forum_id=2#25392673) |
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Date: April 15th, 2014 2:45 PM Author: charismatic cordovan potus F'me doctors are winning at life. Not only do they have crazy job security; freedom to work anywhere in CONUS or otherwise; and pretty good salaries, now they have websites serving as a farming system for them to work in mbb's or hedgefunds. LJL @ me (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2543996&forum_id=2#25387412) |
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Date: April 15th, 2014 2:50 PM Author: Canary vivacious corn cake yep, LJL. An orthopod I know makes a boatload in "consulting fees" working for various investment funds and securities firms writing research reports on healthcare/biotech industries. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2543996&forum_id=2#25387435) |
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Date: April 15th, 2014 2:52 PM Author: charismatic cordovan potus my wife is a rad onc. they have it pretty sweet.
plus they can easily avoid debt and make low 6 figs as a resident if they do military. experienced military docs can make 120-200k depending on rank and specialty which isn't bad considering all they have to do is go to fork and knife school and they are completely out of harms way |
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Date: April 15th, 2014 2:55 PM Author: Bronze dashing roommate goal in life dont u have to stay in the military for a long ass time if they fund your med school? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2543996&forum_id=2#25387456) |
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Date: April 15th, 2014 2:58 PM Author: charismatic cordovan potus Not that long relatively speaking. you are paying the time back that you were getting educated (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2543996&forum_id=2#25387473) |
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Date: April 15th, 2014 3:03 PM Author: Canary vivacious corn cake Unless things have changed drastically since I served, that's some pretty bad info.
MDs who go to school on the military's dime owe 7 years on active duty, and that does not count your time in medical school, internship or residency. |
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Date: April 15th, 2014 3:05 PM Author: charismatic cordovan potus didn't mean to dispense incorrect info, but that is essentially what I meant
they typically 4 years med and 3 years residence = 7 years owed. unless they do a fellowship and a sub fellowship |
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Date: April 15th, 2014 3:07 PM Author: Canary vivacious corn cake ok we cool, we cool. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2543996&forum_id=2#25387526) |
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Date: April 15th, 2014 3:07 PM Author: Lime chapel blood rage I believe thats for USUHS if you do the HPSP program I think the formula is 1 year of active duty for every year you take the scholarship, plus an internship year year, plus some weird formula for residency. I think it works out about the same |
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Date: April 15th, 2014 3:09 PM Author: charismatic cordovan potus point is there is still plenty of money to be made even going the military route and contrary to popular belief newly minted civilians md's are almost just as limited as military md's on where and what the residency will be (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2543996&forum_id=2#25387539) |
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Date: April 15th, 2014 2:59 PM Author: charismatic cordovan potus http://twoblacktires.blogspot.com/2010/07/copy-of-md-sha-needs-to-learn.html (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2543996&forum_id=2#25387487) |
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Date: April 16th, 2014 3:52 AM Author: Racy sapphire elastic band No she isn't. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2543996&forum_id=2#25391567) |
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Date: April 16th, 2014 12:20 PM Author: charismatic cordovan potus yes she is bro (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2543996&forum_id=2#25392429) |
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Date: April 15th, 2014 7:26 PM Author: charismatic cordovan potus This is an elaborate flame created by the AMA to keep demand higher than supply (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2543996&forum_id=2#25389166) |
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Date: April 16th, 2014 12:53 PM Author: Zombie-like hairless piazza weed whacker *creates cartel*
*complains about supply and demand not being in equilibrium* |
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Date: April 16th, 2014 1:11 PM Author: Emerald thriller business firm sweet tailpipe To be fair, if you have a 30 MCAT, you're getting into at least a DO school. You wanna open the floodgates and let shithea CVds in? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2543996&forum_id=2#25392625) |
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Date: April 16th, 2014 9:54 PM Author: Godawful parlour If you have a 30 MCAT, you might be guaranteed admission to Rocky Vista or some other festering TTT, but that's about it. I'm not sure if even Rocky Vista would take a 30 MCAT with a shit GPA and no shadowing/volunteering/research. I know you probably know this, but I get annoyed by the dumb lawyers who think that medical schools admissions is a numbers game like law school admissions. I've known plenty of people with high MCAT scores who got rejected to most (or all) schools where they applied because they didn't have their extracurriculars or they were really aspie during interviews (or both). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2543996&forum_id=2#25395622) |
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Date: April 16th, 2014 10:06 PM Author: ruby stage best friend is a partner in a private medical practice that makes most of its money leasing space and expensive medical equipment to hospitals. His units gross him in the ballpark of 500k a year. He doesn't hate being a doctor, but he definitely went in thinking it was one thing and realized that it's basically another office job. It's sad in that dude really wants to help people but got caught up in a golden handcuffs deal and supports his WHOLE family. Mom, brothers, aunts in the caribbean, wife's family in the caribbean...the whole nine. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2543996&forum_id=2#25395717) |