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WSJ article: PAYE costing America $14,000,000,000 a year

Can't link it, but google "Student-Debt Forgiveness Pla...
Big preventive strike haunted graveyard
  04/22/14
this is exactly the wrong kind of press
Emerald crackhouse
  04/22/14
PAYE is done bro. If Bams wants to cap forgiveness at $57K,...
Big preventive strike haunted graveyard
  04/22/14
Who fucking cares about new borrowers. C/O 2012–2015 is wher...
cobalt parlour
  04/22/14
fuck bro, i owe $250K. they better grandfather us existing b...
Emerald crackhouse
  04/22/14
Promissory notes bro, they're contracts. We could sue the gu...
cobalt parlour
  04/22/14
I would let gubmint walk away from its obligations if I coul...
Pearl provocative principal's office becky
  04/22/14
Lol, yeah, the government is gonna carve out a few classes a...
Big preventive strike haunted graveyard
  04/22/14
They'd get sued and lose if they did otherwise.
cobalt parlour
  04/22/14
Pulled the plug on loans being dischargeable in bankruptcy w...
Big preventive strike haunted graveyard
  04/22/14
There's probably some clause in there about any payment forg...
harsh roast beef kitchen
  04/22/14
Agreed. I think ultimately they'll just up the percentage o...
Big preventive strike haunted graveyard
  04/22/14
Dept. of Ed made $51 billion in profit.
cobalt parlour
  04/22/14
Even if true, you have to understand how the budget in washi...
harsh roast beef kitchen
  04/22/14
Yea, I get it. But there's no fucking way either party wants...
cobalt parlour
  04/22/14
It's hard to justify giving one group hundreds of thousands ...
Big preventive strike haunted graveyard
  04/22/14
At this point who's really taking advantage of PAYE after $6...
harsh roast beef kitchen
  04/22/14
Yea, you're probably right. If they do indeed change the ter...
cobalt parlour
  04/22/14
Shit MBA's might go over 60K. You're mostly right though. ...
Big preventive strike haunted graveyard
  04/22/14
God damn I've heard this point many times. How stupid do y...
high-end degenerate
  04/22/14
If these PAYE bros ever have a penny to their name, the gove...
Big preventive strike haunted graveyard
  04/22/14
(guy who doesn't understand that profit calculations involve...
Sapphire Home
  04/22/14
(Guy confusing stock pricing with income statements)
high-end degenerate
  04/22/14
(guy who has decided to take his flame to as yet uncharted n...
Sapphire Home
  04/22/14
I'm not a contract masterman, so dunno what this means: &...
Demanding Coldplay Fan
  04/22/14
That statement is made in a box titled "NOTICE ABOUT SU...
Sapphire Home
  04/22/14
Lol, GULC never not a joke: Georgetown said on its law-sc...
Big preventive strike haunted graveyard
  04/22/14
They might as well dress like used-car salesmen and install ...
harsh roast beef kitchen
  04/22/14
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house-broken giraffe selfie
  04/22/14
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shimmering sneaky criminal toilet seat
  04/22/14
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Sapphire Home
  04/22/14
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Glassy fat ankles
  04/22/14
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adventurous maize nowag fanboi
  04/23/14
This shit will be changed this year. Everyone lock in now an...
Maroon adulterous range
  04/22/14
lol at "locking in"
Olive national security agency
  04/22/14
More likely next year
Fragrant chapel famous landscape painting
  04/22/14
They'll never take away my PAYE. It's already set in stone
Buff Coiffed National
  04/22/14
Do people really think tuition will magically go down to 5K ...
Maroon adulterous range
  04/22/14
shit bros this has me really worried. i've been doing IBR an...
Emerald crackhouse
  04/22/14
The proposed cap is on PSLF not IBR.
Fragrant chapel famous landscape painting
  04/22/14
oh only pslf? phew
Emerald crackhouse
  04/22/14
Yeah, that article isn't clear, but it's PSLF. They'd fuck ...
Fragrant chapel famous landscape painting
  04/22/14
They'll fuck the PAYE bros, also.
Big preventive strike haunted graveyard
  04/22/14
They may, but that's not the current proposal (at least not ...
Fragrant chapel famous landscape painting
  04/22/14
Wait til the Reptiles get done with it.
Big preventive strike haunted graveyard
  04/22/14
i'm scared. hold me.
Emerald crackhouse
  04/22/14
It'll be interesting. But, I doubt people who are already i...
Fragrant chapel famous landscape painting
  04/22/14
Sort of. The actual terms of PAYE aren't within the four cor...
Sapphire Home
  04/22/14
Game Over.
Big preventive strike haunted graveyard
  04/22/14
Nah, I'm not talking about the MPN. When you enroll in PAYE...
Fragrant chapel famous landscape painting
  04/22/14
Ah ok. That seems pretty locked in then.
Sapphire Home
  04/22/14
Lol yeah ironclad click through
Big preventive strike haunted graveyard
  04/22/14
Don't look at it as COSTING taxpayers $14 billion Look at...
charismatic sooty locus alpha
  04/22/14
That's weird. Their calculations must be off. Julia's arti...
Buff Coiffed National
  04/22/14
The two are not mutually exclusive. JULIA!!!'s article was ...
Big preventive strike haunted graveyard
  04/22/14
...
Buff Coiffed National
  04/22/14
Heh, if they take it awaye, they're gonna paye.
Honey-headed Irradiated Resort
  04/22/14
smart. its a retarded policy
razzle grizzly theater stage
  04/22/14


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Date: April 22nd, 2014 12:24 PM
Author: Big preventive strike haunted graveyard

Can't link it, but google "Student-Debt Forgiveness Plans Skyrocket, Raising Fears Over Costs, Higher Tuition"

Government officials are trying to rein in increasingly popular federal programs that forgive some student debt, amid rising concerns over the plans' costs and the possibility they could encourage colleges to push tuition even higher.

Enrollment in the plans—which allow students to rack up big debts and then forgive the unpaid balance after a set period—has surged nearly 40% in just six months, to include at least 1.3 million Americans owing around $72 billion, U.S. Education Department records show.

The popularity of the programs comes as top law schools are now advertising their own plans that offer to cover a graduate's federal loan repayments until outstanding debt is forgiven. The school aid opens the way for free or greatly subsidized degrees at taxpayer expense.

At issue are two federal loan repayment plans created by Congress, originally to help students with big debt loads and to promote work in lower-paying jobs outside the private sector.

The fastest-growing plan, revamped by President Barack Obama in 2011, requires borrowers to pay 10% a year of their discretionary income—annual income above 150% of the poverty level—in monthly installments. Under the plan, the unpaid balances for those working in the public sector or for nonprofits are then forgiven after 10 years.

Private-sector workers also see their debts wiped clean—after a longer period of 20 years—reflecting a government aim to have no one, wherever they work, paying down student debt their entire working life.

An independent study estimates the future cost of the 2011 program, known as Pay As You Earn, could hit $14 billion a year.

The Obama administration has proposed in its latest budget released last month to cap debt eligible for forgiveness at $57,500 per student. There is currently no limit on such debt.

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The move reflects concerns in the administration not just about the hit to the government, but over the risk that promising huge debt forgiveness could make borrowers and schools less disciplined about costs. Colleges might charge more than they would otherwise, leading students to borrow more.

Federal data show tuition and fees are up more than 6% a year on average in the past decade, more than 2 1/2 times inflation.

Congress is unlikely to pass the proposed revamp this year, but the administration has pushed other changes, such as extending the forgiveness window to 25 years for the most-indebted students. The main aim, administration officials say, is to curb eligibility for forgiveness while allowing more borrowers to repay loans based on their income.

Dorie Nolt, a spokeswoman for Education Secretary Arne Duncan, said the proposals are meant to ensure the "neediest borrowers" benefit and to protect the program from "institutional practices that may further increase student indebtedness."

Supporters of the forgiveness program say it is working largely as designed.

"Given the increasing cost of college, the need to borrow money to cover tuition payments can price students out of socially important but historically low-paying jobs, like teaching and social work," said Rep. George Miller of California, the senior Democrat on the House education committee.

A top Senate Republican, however, is calling for change.

"Income-based repayment can be a way for students responsibly to manage debt, but it should not be a bailout for students who borrow too much or for schools who charge too much," said Sen. Lamar Alexander of Tennessee, the ranking Republican on the Senate Education Committee.

Law schools at Columbia University, the University of Chicago and Georgetown University are among those offering some graduates additional aid to cover all or part of their minimum monthly payments under the federal plans.

Max Norris, a 29-year-old lawyer for the state of California, illustrates the potential costs of the program. He pays about $420 a month to the Education Department on his $172,000 in debt, which he says fails even to cover the interest owed. But his out-of-pocket expense falls to $100 monthly after aid from his school, University of California's Hastings College of Law.

Mr. Norris, who makes $60,000 a year in his job, would have about $225,000 in debt forgiven after 10 years, assuming he stays in public service and his salary rises 4% annually, according to a repaymentcalculator created by the New America Foundation, which advocates less-generous forgiveness.

He said he learned of the programs before enrolling. "My intent the whole time in going through law school was to take advantage of this program," he said.

Schools aren't shy in touting the programs' benefits.

Georgetown said on its law-school website until recently the school's aid combined with the federal plan "means public interest borrowers might not pay a single penny on their loans—ever!" A school spokeswoman said the statement was removed this year in light of the proposed changes in Mr. Obama's budget.

Georgetown Law Dean William Treanor said the school sees steering graduates to public-service jobs as part of its Jesuit mission. The school, which assists only those who go on to work in the public sector, spent about $2 million last year covering payments for those in the federal program, he said. In all, 432 Georgetown graduates are now in the program, up from 264 in 2012. Annual tuition is $50,890.

Mr. Treanor said the program doesn't influence the prices the school charges its students.

The plans' long-term costs have greatly outpaced the government's predictions. In the last fiscal year, debt absorbed by the repayment plans from the most widely used student-loan program—Stafford loans—exceeded government expectations from a year earlier by 90%.

A report Monday last week from the Brookings Institution, a centrist think tank, offered one of the few preliminary examinations of the programs' impact. The most popular plan could cost taxpayers $14 billion a year if it becomes available to all borrowers as Mr. Obama has proposed, while fueling tuition inflation, it said.

"Loan forgiveness creates incentives for students to borrow too much to attend college, potentially contributing to rising college prices for everyone," the study said. The authors recommend scrapping the forgiveness provisions.

Student debt has nearly doubled since 2007 to $1.1 trillion, disproportionately driven by the growth in graduate-school debt.

The government has offered some form of income-based repayment since the early 1990s, but few studentsfound the terms enticing. But in 2007, Congress allowed borrowers working in nonprofit and government jobs to have unpaid debt forgiven after 10 years, and cut monthly payments for new borrowers to 15% of discretionary income.

In 2010, it cut those payments to 10% for borrowers who took out loans from 2014. A year later, Mr. Obama, through executive action, moved up the date when borrowers could qualify for the new terms, creating a program for those who took out loans from 2011. The White House this year has proposed making the program available to all student borrowers, regardless of when they signed their loans.

The popularity of the programs surged after the Obama administration began to promote them, starting in 2012, on the Internet and later through email to borrowers.

Supporters of generous loan-forgiveness plans for public-service workers say the policy helps talented workers stay in jobs that typically pay less than the private sector.

"As soon as the government had them trained up for public jobs they left it. It was an incredible cost," said Philip Schrag, a Georgetown University professor who has researched the income-based repayment programs.

The plans are designed to help people like Jacqueline Grippe, a Monroe County assistant public defender in Rochester, N.Y. Using an income-based repayment plan, Ms. Grippe pays about $350 a month toward her roughly $180,000 in debt, most of it accrued at Syracuse University's law school, from which she graduated in 2012.

That keeps her payment manageable on a $58,500 salary, she said, and relieves the pressure of having to find work at a higher-paying law firm. Syracuse isn't assisting in the payments.

"Being in the public sector is a calling for me," said Ms. Grippe, 29. Without the repayment plan, she said, "I don't know what I would do."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2549149&forum_id=2#25425460)



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Date: April 22nd, 2014 12:26 PM
Author: Emerald crackhouse

this is exactly the wrong kind of press

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2549149&forum_id=2#25425477)



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Date: April 22nd, 2014 12:28 PM
Author: Big preventive strike haunted graveyard

PAYE is done bro. If Bams wants to cap forgiveness at $57K, the Republicans will shred this program.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2549149&forum_id=2#25425496)



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Date: April 22nd, 2014 12:26 PM
Author: cobalt parlour

Who fucking cares about new borrowers. C/O 2012–2015 is where it's fucking at.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2549149&forum_id=2#25425481)



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Date: April 22nd, 2014 12:30 PM
Author: Emerald crackhouse

fuck bro, i owe $250K. they better grandfather us existing borrowers in.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2549149&forum_id=2#25425512)



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Date: April 22nd, 2014 12:31 PM
Author: cobalt parlour

Promissory notes bro, they're contracts. We could sue the gubn't if they reneged.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2549149&forum_id=2#25425518)



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Date: April 22nd, 2014 12:32 PM
Author: Pearl provocative principal's office becky

I would let gubmint walk away from its obligations if I could walk away from mine

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2549149&forum_id=2#25425527)



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Date: April 22nd, 2014 12:33 PM
Author: Big preventive strike haunted graveyard

Lol, yeah, the government is gonna carve out a few classes and give them $250K forgiveness while capping everybody else at $57K. Good luck with that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2549149&forum_id=2#25425532)



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Date: April 22nd, 2014 12:42 PM
Author: cobalt parlour

They'd get sued and lose if they did otherwise.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2549149&forum_id=2#25425604)



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Date: April 22nd, 2014 12:44 PM
Author: Big preventive strike haunted graveyard

Pulled the plug on loans being dischargeable in bankruptcy without any problems. Will do the same here.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2549149&forum_id=2#25425611)



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Date: April 22nd, 2014 12:47 PM
Author: harsh roast beef kitchen

There's probably some clause in there about any payment forgiveness program or deferment being at the discretion of the government.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2549149&forum_id=2#25425631)



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Date: April 22nd, 2014 12:50 PM
Author: Big preventive strike haunted graveyard

Agreed. I think ultimately they'll just up the percentage or extend out the program for 40+ years while forgiving very little. No way the government ends up taking this $14B/year on the chin if the borrowers have any assets at all that can be seized.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2549149&forum_id=2#25425664)



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Date: April 22nd, 2014 12:53 PM
Author: cobalt parlour

Dept. of Ed made $51 billion in profit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2549149&forum_id=2#25425690)



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Date: April 22nd, 2014 12:56 PM
Author: harsh roast beef kitchen

Even if true, you have to understand how the budget in washington works. That $51 billion is "baked into cake." So the baseline assumption for a future budget includes whatever profit is generated by an agency. If a certain cost reduces that profit, it makes the deficit go higher.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2549149&forum_id=2#25425718)



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Date: April 22nd, 2014 12:59 PM
Author: cobalt parlour

Yea, I get it. But there's no fucking way either party wants to screw over twenty somethings for a few billion. University of Phoenix borrowers will shift further left, and middle of the road voters will turn lib after their $60K-$200K student loans all of a sudden become a whole lot more onerous.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2549149&forum_id=2#25425745)



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Date: April 22nd, 2014 1:04 PM
Author: Big preventive strike haunted graveyard

It's hard to justify giving one group hundreds of thousands more in forgiveness because they happened to graduate a year or two earlier.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2549149&forum_id=2#25425767)



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Date: April 22nd, 2014 1:14 PM
Author: harsh roast beef kitchen

At this point who's really taking advantage of PAYE after $60k? It's mostly just young doctors and lawyers. Outside of those two groups, the vast majority of borrowers will not notice any change. The consensus (perhaps unfairly) is that PAYE is helping upper-middle class professionals who won't need help once they are making money.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2549149&forum_id=2#25425813)



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Date: April 22nd, 2014 1:16 PM
Author: cobalt parlour

Yea, you're probably right. If they do indeed change the terms of PAYE, and cap it to $57.5K or w/e, it will make my decision to leave the country and eschew paying my loans a lot easier.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2549149&forum_id=2#25425821)



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Date: April 22nd, 2014 1:17 PM
Author: Big preventive strike haunted graveyard

Shit MBA's might go over 60K. You're mostly right though. Fuck the doctors and lawyers. They'll make plenty over their careers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2549149&forum_id=2#25425827)



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Date: April 22nd, 2014 2:55 PM
Author: high-end degenerate

God damn I've heard this point many times. How stupid do you have to be to not understand that this is meaningless. Send me 100K and I'll pay you $200 a year in interest and you will "make money." Just ignore the fact you will never get your capital back.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2549149&forum_id=2#25426380)



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Date: April 22nd, 2014 2:59 PM
Author: Big preventive strike haunted graveyard

If these PAYE bros ever have a penny to their name, the government will find a way to gets its money back.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2549149&forum_id=2#25426411)



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Date: April 22nd, 2014 4:10 PM
Author: Sapphire Home

(guy who doesn't understand that profit calculations involve discounting future payments)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2549149&forum_id=2#25426796)



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Date: April 22nd, 2014 4:15 PM
Author: high-end degenerate

(Guy confusing stock pricing with income statements)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2549149&forum_id=2#25426819)



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Date: April 22nd, 2014 4:30 PM
Author: Sapphire Home

(guy who has decided to take his flame to as yet uncharted new levels today, boldly rejecting any statements that would involve even the tiniest hint of plausibly coming from a place of sincerity)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2549149&forum_id=2#25426891)



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Date: April 22nd, 2014 1:06 PM
Author: Demanding Coldplay Fan

I'm not a contract masterman, so dunno what this means:

"NOTE: Any change to the Act applies to loans

in accordance with the effective date of the

change."

http://www.direct.ed.gov/pubs/plusmpn.pdf

Also can't find PAYE in there, but IBR and ICR yes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2549149&forum_id=2#25425775)



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Date: April 22nd, 2014 4:19 PM
Author: Sapphire Home

That statement is made in a box titled "NOTICE ABOUT SUBSEQUENT LOANS MADE UNDER THIS MPN", so it could reasonably be read to mean "If you're using this section of the MPN to authorize a subsequent loan, any subsequent loan made after a change to the Act has been made effective will be considered subject to the new version of the Act"... it's not saying that changes to the Act can retroactively be applied to THIS particular loan.

EDIT: Shit, wait, the phrase is in their twice. The other time appears to be generally applicable to the entire MPN:

"Section F: MPN Terms and Conditions

Governing Law

The terms of this Application and Master Promissory Note (MPN) will be interpreted in accordance with the Higher Education Act of 1965, as amended (20 U.S.C. 1070 et seq .), the U.S. Department of Education’s (ED’s) regulations, as they may be amended in accordance with their effective date, and other applicable federal laws and regulations (collectively referred to as the “Act”)."



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2549149&forum_id=2#25426846)



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Date: April 22nd, 2014 12:28 PM
Author: Big preventive strike haunted graveyard

Lol, GULC never not a joke:

Georgetown said on its law-school website until recently the school's aid combined with the federal plan "means public interest borrowers might not pay a single penny on their loans—ever!" A school spokeswoman said the statement was removed this year in light of the proposed changes in Mr. Obama's budget.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2549149&forum_id=2#25425492)



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Date: April 22nd, 2014 12:58 PM
Author: harsh roast beef kitchen

They might as well dress like used-car salesmen and install inflatable sidewalk balloons at the front entrance.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2549149&forum_id=2#25425738)



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Date: April 22nd, 2014 1:20 PM
Author: house-broken giraffe selfie



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2549149&forum_id=2#25425840)



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Date: April 22nd, 2014 4:12 PM
Author: shimmering sneaky criminal toilet seat



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2549149&forum_id=2#25426808)



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Date: April 22nd, 2014 4:19 PM
Author: Sapphire Home



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2549149&forum_id=2#25426848)



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Date: April 22nd, 2014 9:20 PM
Author: Glassy fat ankles



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2549149&forum_id=2#25428736)



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Date: April 23rd, 2014 8:58 AM
Author: adventurous maize nowag fanboi



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2549149&forum_id=2#25431034)



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Date: April 22nd, 2014 12:28 PM
Author: Maroon adulterous range

This shit will be changed this year. Everyone lock in now and go to law school!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2549149&forum_id=2#25425493)



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Date: April 22nd, 2014 1:43 PM
Author: Olive national security agency

lol at "locking in"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2549149&forum_id=2#25425959)



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Date: April 22nd, 2014 1:55 PM
Author: Fragrant chapel famous landscape painting

More likely next year

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2549149&forum_id=2#25426035)



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Date: April 22nd, 2014 1:06 PM
Author: Buff Coiffed National

They'll never take away my PAYE. It's already set in stone

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2549149&forum_id=2#25425777)



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Date: April 22nd, 2014 1:48 PM
Author: Maroon adulterous range

Do people really think tuition will magically go down to 5K again if we get rid of all of this?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2549149&forum_id=2#25425983)



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Date: April 22nd, 2014 1:53 PM
Author: Emerald crackhouse

shit bros this has me really worried. i've been doing IBR and saving up cash instead of aggressively paying doing. i was planning on doing the full monty: 25 years. if they cap forgiveness at $50K or whatever, i'm fucked. i can't pay these down, i owe $250K. i don't make enough to even make the 10 year payment amount ($2300 per month). if they cap forgiveness though i'm literally going to be paying these loans until i die.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2549149&forum_id=2#25426017)



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Date: April 22nd, 2014 1:56 PM
Author: Fragrant chapel famous landscape painting

The proposed cap is on PSLF not IBR.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2549149&forum_id=2#25426043)



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Date: April 22nd, 2014 1:56 PM
Author: Emerald crackhouse

oh only pslf? phew

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2549149&forum_id=2#25426048)



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Date: April 22nd, 2014 1:58 PM
Author: Fragrant chapel famous landscape painting

Yeah, that article isn't clear, but it's PSLF. They'd fuck the PSLF kids by taking what they owe beyond 57k and forcing them to IBR the rest of it for the next ten years or whatever.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2549149&forum_id=2#25426058)



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Date: April 22nd, 2014 2:02 PM
Author: Big preventive strike haunted graveyard

They'll fuck the PAYE bros, also.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2549149&forum_id=2#25426088)



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Date: April 22nd, 2014 2:04 PM
Author: Fragrant chapel famous landscape painting

They may, but that's not the current proposal (at least not current enrollees anyway).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2549149&forum_id=2#25426102)



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Date: April 22nd, 2014 2:25 PM
Author: Big preventive strike haunted graveyard

Wait til the Reptiles get done with it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2549149&forum_id=2#25426229)



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Date: April 22nd, 2014 2:25 PM
Author: Emerald crackhouse

i'm scared. hold me.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2549149&forum_id=2#25426232)



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Date: April 22nd, 2014 2:33 PM
Author: Fragrant chapel famous landscape painting

It'll be interesting. But, I doubt people who are already in will be affected too much. You sign an agreement when you enter PAYE, IBR, etc that contains the terms. Altering those terms through legislation would be problematic and Not Okay.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2549149&forum_id=2#25426285)



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Date: April 22nd, 2014 4:27 PM
Author: Sapphire Home

Sort of. The actual terms of PAYE aren't within the four corners of the MPN you sign. The MPN just refers to "the Higher Education Act of 1965, as amended" which is (I presume) where you would find the actual PAYE rules.

Specifically, the MPN says:

"The terms of this Application and Master Promissory Note (MPN) will be interpreted in accordance with the Higher Education Act of 1965, as amended (20 U.S.C. 1070 et seq .), the U.S. Department of Education’s (ED’s) regulations, as they may be amended in accordance with their effective date, and other applicable federal laws and regulations (collectively referred to as the “Act”)."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2549149&forum_id=2#25426875)



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Date: April 22nd, 2014 4:29 PM
Author: Big preventive strike haunted graveyard

Game Over.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2549149&forum_id=2#25426890)



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Date: April 22nd, 2014 6:21 PM
Author: Fragrant chapel famous landscape painting

Nah, I'm not talking about the MPN. When you enroll in PAYE you sign (or rather click) an agreement laying out the terms.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2549149&forum_id=2#25427584)



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Date: April 22nd, 2014 7:53 PM
Author: Sapphire Home

Ah ok. That seems pretty locked in then.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2549149&forum_id=2#25428122)



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Date: April 22nd, 2014 7:57 PM
Author: Big preventive strike haunted graveyard

Lol yeah ironclad click through

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2549149&forum_id=2#25428148)



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Date: April 22nd, 2014 4:29 PM
Author: charismatic sooty locus alpha

Don't look at it as COSTING taxpayers $14 billion

Look at it as SAVING me $80 thousand

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2549149&forum_id=2#25426886)



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Date: April 22nd, 2014 4:38 PM
Author: Buff Coiffed National

That's weird. Their calculations must be off. Julia's article said that NOT expanding PAYE would cost the country billions. And I'm sure her iq is higher than this article's author.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2549149&forum_id=2#25426949)



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Date: April 22nd, 2014 4:40 PM
Author: Big preventive strike haunted graveyard

The two are not mutually exclusive. JULIA!!!'s article was focused on the sociological and psychological impact on bros like Johnsmeyer (in the abstract).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2549149&forum_id=2#25426962)



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Date: April 22nd, 2014 4:41 PM
Author: Buff Coiffed National



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2549149&forum_id=2#25426968)



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Date: April 22nd, 2014 4:41 PM
Author: Honey-headed Irradiated Resort

Heh, if they take it awaye, they're gonna paye.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2549149&forum_id=2#25426973)



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Date: April 22nd, 2014 10:10 PM
Author: razzle grizzly theater stage

smart. its a retarded policy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2549149&forum_id=2#25429053)