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WSJ on the War Path to Kill PAYE/PSLF

Telling Students to Earn Less Obama now calls for reforming...
Exciting Pontificating Yarmulke
  04/24/14
*Rails against PAYE* *Exclusively Refers to PSLF Provisio...
Frum Bronze Pocket Flask
  04/24/14
*2 digit IQ reptile*
razzle center
  04/27/14
They will cap all forgiveness (PSLF, PAYE, IBR) at around $5...
zombie-like rigor gunner
  04/24/14
But that won't even cover my interest
frisky lay
  04/24/14
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Scarlet half-breed
  11/18/14
lol at this boomer rag
swollen sepia theatre
  04/24/14
Cot damn, just get rid of all this government loan shit and ...
sick marketing idea
  04/24/14
This. Don't care is Da'Mica can't get a loan to study anci...
buff foreskin stage
  04/24/14
won't help u get a nonshitjob, you'll still be making 5 figu...
confused electric macaca
  04/26/14
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Balding tank point
  04/26/14
that's muscular ginger btw. he makes 60k but sucks banker co...
confused electric macaca
  04/26/14
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confused electric macaca
  04/26/14
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confused electric macaca
  04/27/14
Lol my salary is in the low 90s with 15% bonus HTH. Post a...
buff foreskin stage
  11/18/14
Forgot to change Monkiers, lil Breh Date: November 18th...
Poppy crotch
  11/18/14
Change monikers? I only have one account. You're fuckin...
buff foreskin stage
  11/18/14
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Poppy crotch
  11/18/14
cr
Self-absorbed Headpube
  04/24/14
tuitions have been rising faster than inflation independent ...
Learning disabled effete resort
  11/18/14
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Fuchsia cuck locale
  04/24/14
fuckfuckfuck
adventurous talking pozpig library
  04/24/14
and god DAMNIT Law Center, you had to be greedy
adventurous talking pozpig library
  04/24/14
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sienna slippery mediation place of business
  04/24/14
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Scarlet half-breed
  11/18/14
Nobody will ever get $100K+ forgiven ever.
zombie-like rigor gunner
  04/24/14
i owe $275K fuckkkkkkkkkk
adventurous talking pozpig library
  04/24/14
Not a chance they will be able to renege on current borrower...
Self-absorbed Headpube
  04/24/14
you know about the tax bomb, right?
zombie-like rigor gunner
  04/24/14
(2007 grad bitterly making monthly payments, grasping at str...
Self-absorbed Headpube
  04/24/14
More like: (earl pumo)
Razzmatazz territorial gas station
  04/24/14
This is false. It's not necessarily likely, but certainly no...
Sable incel factory reset button
  04/24/14
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zombie-like rigor gunner
  04/24/14
Wrong lil breh... The loan paperwork for most, if not all o...
mind-boggling hospital
  04/24/14
IBR is a huge flip tho. 10/20 is far better than 15/25, to t...
Frum Bronze Pocket Flask
  04/24/14
reminder: every single other civilized country in the world ...
adventurous talking pozpig library
  04/24/14
CR, but still, if you're dumb enough to sign the loan papers...
zombie-like rigor gunner
  04/24/14
Goddamn jews, amirite?
trip federal mood
  04/24/14
I thought the UK and Australia were pushing to follow our sh...
Deranged brunch jew
  11/18/14
hopefully they end it
fragrant bright hell juggernaut
  04/24/14
they have to grandfather in existing people though, right? i...
adventurous talking pozpig library
  04/24/14
No, it would be grotesquely unfair to give some $200-300K+ f...
zombie-like rigor gunner
  04/24/14
(guy who doesn't understand the concept of grandfathering)
sienna slippery mediation place of business
  04/24/14
Even under the current rules, you were never guaranteed full...
zombie-like rigor gunner
  04/24/14
No one's disputing that. What's your point?
sienna slippery mediation place of business
  04/24/14
Hurts any argument that borrowers would be harmed by capping...
zombie-like rigor gunner
  04/24/14
im not a lawyer bro. i like to make money so i dont worry ab...
fragrant bright hell juggernaut
  04/24/14
What would breach of PAYE damages even be.
Frum Bronze Pocket Flask
  04/24/14
Well you would've just paid off the debt if not for PAYE rel...
zombie-like rigor gunner
  04/24/14
WSJ is right on. PAYE is terrible policy. And I say this as ...
Self-absorbed Headpube
  04/24/14
of course they're right, but it would be massively unfair if...
adventurous talking pozpig library
  04/24/14
Won't happen. Bump this in 2030.
Self-absorbed Headpube
  04/24/14
It would be massively unfair if they just forgave the loans ...
Scarlet half-breed
  04/24/14
This won't happen. Nothing is ever getting forgiven past $5...
zombie-like rigor gunner
  04/24/14
...
sienna slippery mediation place of business
  04/24/14
it is a windfall for students and universities
bateful wine brethren spot
  04/24/14
*was
zombie-like rigor gunner
  04/24/14
*gets a worthless JD all for the low, low price of 20 years ...
sienna slippery mediation place of business
  04/24/14
a jd is not worthless a person with a jd may be worthless
bateful wine brethren spot
  04/27/14
180
confused electric macaca
  04/27/14
PAYE should be eliminated
khaki motley abode
  04/24/14
(Moronic reptile)
Curious chrome international law enforcement agency
  11/18/14
It is HIGHLY unlikely this will be made retroactively. I say...
indecent topaz pisswyrm stead
  04/24/14
Do you understand how legislation works? Congress can change...
khaki motley abode
  04/24/14
Actually, no.
Self-absorbed Headpube
  04/24/14
no. Governments may act in their sovereign capacity but also...
racy community account box office
  04/24/14
I see nothing in the constitution that prevents congress fro...
khaki motley abode
  04/24/14
in practice, here's what happens - congress changes law. no...
stirring dog poop boistinker
  04/24/14
Made me laugh and cry at same time.
Sable incel factory reset button
  04/24/14
But governments aren't people!!
Self-absorbed Headpube
  04/27/14
cr.
Self-absorbed Headpube
  04/24/14
PLUS promissory notes reference neither PAYE nor PSLF. IBR a...
Frum Bronze Pocket Flask
  04/24/14
...
zombie-like rigor gunner
  04/24/14
so, if we're on IBR, we're good?
adventurous talking pozpig library
  04/24/14
I'm not on PAYE so I'm not sure, but some MFE in another thr...
Frum Bronze Pocket Flask
  04/24/14
you sign an application to get on PAYE. it looks like this: ...
adventurous talking pozpig library
  04/24/14
I'm not sure but I imagine so - or probably, you get another...
Frum Bronze Pocket Flask
  04/24/14
I don't think they'll apply it retroactively either but ther...
racy community account box office
  04/24/14
LOL, all are resources are required to provide for are shitb...
Snowy Halford
  04/24/14
"tbf, all government involvement in student loans is a ...
laughsome party of the first part bawdyhouse
  04/24/14
go on...
Snowy Halford
  04/24/14
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very tactful depressive whorehouse
  04/26/14
Holy shit did they actually link income inequality with youn...
yellow comical newt
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adventurous talking pozpig library
  04/24/14
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Sable incel factory reset button
  04/24/14
Are they *seriously* arguing that it's BAD to have PAYE and ...
Sable incel factory reset button
  04/24/14
Yes, that was a bad point to focus on. But if they can get ...
orange mewling state indirect expression
  04/24/14
Right but that's ****not*** the conservative boomer argument...
Sable incel factory reset button
  04/24/14
Think there's a chance that if there were underwriting re ac...
orange mewling state indirect expression
  04/24/14
Why incentivize people to work in govt with forgiveness prog...
buff foreskin stage
  04/24/14
the best candidates tend to go private so there's a lack of ...
Big Dark Range Hunting Ground
  04/26/14
bull fucking shit
bateful wine brethren spot
  04/27/14
WSJ shitwriter with a B.A. in journalism in 1991 from state ...
shimmering organic girlfriend rehab
  04/24/14
link
Sable incel factory reset button
  04/24/14
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Exciting Pontificating Yarmulke
  04/24/14
LOL. Greedy Boomer-Jew university administrators have pwnd ...
Cocky pink piazza gaping
  04/24/14
I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter.
supple national black woman
  04/24/14
explain your moniker to me
Cocky pink piazza gaping
  04/24/14
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Balding tank point
  04/26/14
this is the end result of Boomerism: an article and 15 pages...
very tactful depressive whorehouse
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confused electric macaca
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adventurous talking pozpig library
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Scarlet half-breed
  11/18/14
Conturds will not be happy until we can re-institute slavery...
Charcoal histrionic institution messiness
  04/27/14
No, but reptiles would be perfectly happy to destroy the cur...
Ultramarine nursing home
  04/27/14
they want to destroy higher education so that they can prote...
Charcoal histrionic institution messiness
  04/27/14
LOL, link?
confused electric macaca
  04/27/14
lol are you still out of the country breh?
frisky lay
  04/27/14
sorta faggot
Charcoal histrionic institution messiness
  04/27/14
how's los angeles?
frisky lay
  04/27/14
How uranus?
Charcoal histrionic institution messiness
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Thriller bat-shit-crazy indian lodge shitlib
  05/13/14
mo money fo dem programs (xo poas
Cocky pink piazza gaping
  11/18/14
"most loans are issued regardless of a borrower's abili...
Deranged brunch jew
  11/18/14


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Date: April 24th, 2014 1:28 PM
Author: Exciting Pontificating Yarmulke

Telling Students to Earn Less

Obama now calls for reforming his bleeding college loan program.

The federal student loan program is becoming so costly to taxpayers that even President Obama is pretending to fix it. Readers will recall Mr. Obama as the man who has spent much of his Presidency expanding this program, creating new ways for borrowers to avoid repayment, and then campaigning about these dubious achievements on campuses nationwide.

Now Team Obama is acknowledging that his policies are turning out to be more expensive than he claimed. Participation in federal debt-forgiveness programs is surging. In a mere six months the number of borrowers who've signed up for such plans has increased to more than 1.3 million from less than a million, with total balances rising to $72 billion from $52 billion. Maybe the White House didn't understand that when you give people an economic incentive not to repay a loan, more people won't repay.

Taxpayers can suffer in many ways from federal education lending, because most loans are issued regardless of a borrower's ability to repay. So loose is this form of credit that in the slow-growth Obama economy it has become a vehicle to fund basic living expenses, with tens of thousands of borrowers consuming aid even when they're not enrolled for courses.

But the immediate taxpayer S.O.S. concerns Mr. Obama's Pay As You Earn program. We've warned for years about the risks of this program as Mr. Obama has worked to expand the number of eligible borrowers and sweeten its terms.

Pay As You Earn allows students under certain circumstances to borrow an unlimited amount and then cap monthly payments at 10% of their discretionary income. If they choose productive work in the private economy, the loans are forgiven after 20 years. But if they choose to work in government or for a nonprofit, Uncle Sugar forgives their loans after 10 years.

For aspiring community organizers who go to college and then grad school before moving into a job that the government defines as public service, the forgiven debt can be $150,000 or more, courtesy of the taxpayer. And unlike with some other federal programs, when the government forgives the debt of one of the exalted class of nonprofit or government workers, the do-gooder doesn't have to report it as income to the IRS. Who wouldn't want to pick up $150,000 tax-free?

Energized by Mr. Obama's 2011 expansion, Pay As You Earn has been a slow-motion bailout for law schools, which saw diminishing applications in the wake of the financial crisis. Now the money is still rolling in thanks to more leveraged students. Upon graduation the median law school grad in 2012 was carrying more than $128,000 in grad-school debt, up from $77,000 in 2004.

But how much of it will ever be repaid? At least one creative school, Georgetown, last year offered to pay the students' monthly bills under the Pay As You Earn program while simultaneously raising tuitions. This essentially makes taxpayers pay the entire cost and turns the loans into six-figure grants.

The White House is finally admitting there's a problem, albeit sotto voce. The President's 2015 budget proposes to "reform the [Pay As You Earn] terms to ensure that the program is well-targeted and provides a safeguard against rising tuition at high-cost institutions." But it seems the White House is more concerned with the appearances of this taxpayer fleecing than the reality. Later in the budget tables the White House notes that its plan to "expand and reform student loan income-based repayment" will cost taxpayers even more than the status quo—by more than $3.5 billion over 10 years.

As for the status quo, Jason Delisle of the New America Foundation has been tracking the expanding red ink. He notes that in 2010 when the President first sketched out the idea for Pay As You Earn, the cost of permitting past borrowers to use the program's "more generous terms was approximately $1.7 billion. The administration reported the cost for the same proposal in 2013 as approximately $3.5 billion. In 2014 it quoted the cost at approximately $7.6 billion." Look for the estimates to keep rising—especially after this fall's election.

This might seem like a windfall for the students, but the only clear winners are the universities that are the ultimate recipients of the taxpayer money. While the students may technically get the freebie, the impressionable youngsters, who likely have little or no wealth, are being given an enormous financial incentive to pursue careers in government or at low-paying nonprofits.

The consequences for our economy are no less tragic than for the individual borrowers. They are being driven away from the path down which their natural ambition and talent might have taken them. President Obama keeps talking about reducing income equality. So why does he keep paying young people not to pursue higher incomes?

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304279904579517934206301354#printMode

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25438723)



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Date: April 24th, 2014 1:30 PM
Author: Frum Bronze Pocket Flask

*Rails against PAYE*

*Exclusively Refers to PSLF Provisions*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25438732)



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Date: April 27th, 2014 8:30 PM
Author: razzle center

*2 digit IQ reptile*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25460208)



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Date: April 24th, 2014 1:32 PM
Author: zombie-like rigor gunner

They will cap all forgiveness (PSLF, PAYE, IBR) at around $50K eventually. Make it retroactive.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25438741)



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Date: April 24th, 2014 3:04 PM
Author: frisky lay

But that won't even cover my interest

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25439354)



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Date: November 18th, 2014 1:54 PM
Author: Scarlet half-breed



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#26744067)



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Date: April 24th, 2014 1:43 PM
Author: swollen sepia theatre

lol at this boomer rag

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25438788)



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Date: April 24th, 2014 1:44 PM
Author: sick marketing idea

Cot damn, just get rid of all this government loan shit and tuitions will fall.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25438793)



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Date: April 24th, 2014 1:49 PM
Author: buff foreskin stage

This. Don't care is Da'Mica can't get a loan to study ancient African belly dancin.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25438824)



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Date: April 26th, 2014 3:17 PM
Author: confused electric macaca

won't help u get a nonshitjob, you'll still be making 5 figures lil breh

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25452149)



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Date: April 26th, 2014 3:19 PM
Author: Balding tank point



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25452163)



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Date: April 26th, 2014 3:23 PM
Author: confused electric macaca

that's muscular ginger btw. he makes 60k but sucks banker cock and thinks that 'shaniqua' is the reason for his shitlife, LOL

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25452186)



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Date: April 26th, 2014 6:48 PM
Author: confused electric macaca



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25453442)



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Date: April 27th, 2014 5:25 PM
Author: confused electric macaca



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25458884)



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Date: November 18th, 2014 2:09 PM
Author: buff foreskin stage

Lol my salary is in the low 90s with 15% bonus HTH. Post a screenshot of you public defender wage and I'll post mine you little fag ljl.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#26744145)



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Date: November 18th, 2014 2:11 PM
Author: Poppy crotch

Forgot to change Monkiers, lil Breh

Date: November 18th, 2014 2:09 PM

Author: \"\'\'\"\"\'\'\'\'\'\'\'\'

Lol my salary is in the low 90s with 15% bonus HTH. Post a screenshot of you public defender wage and I'll post mine you little fag ljl.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#26744159)



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Date: November 18th, 2014 2:13 PM
Author: buff foreskin stage

Change monikers? I only have one account. You're fucking retarded, the monikers are the same. Lol at your low chimp IQ. Not sure what you're trying to prove pasting my poast. Where's your PD salary lil buddy?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#26744164)



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Date: November 18th, 2014 2:11 PM
Author: Poppy crotch



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#26744156)



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Date: April 24th, 2014 2:09 PM
Author: Self-absorbed Headpube

cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25438946)



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Date: November 18th, 2014 2:15 PM
Author: Learning disabled effete resort

tuitions have been rising faster than inflation independent of government loan policies for decades

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#26744175)



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Date: April 24th, 2014 1:47 PM
Author: Fuchsia cuck locale



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25438808)



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Date: April 24th, 2014 1:50 PM
Author: adventurous talking pozpig library

fuckfuckfuck

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25438827)



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Date: April 24th, 2014 1:50 PM
Author: adventurous talking pozpig library

and god DAMNIT Law Center, you had to be greedy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25438830)



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Date: April 24th, 2014 2:22 PM
Author: sienna slippery mediation place of business



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25439042)



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Date: November 18th, 2014 1:53 PM
Author: Scarlet half-breed



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#26744060)



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Date: April 24th, 2014 1:50 PM
Author: zombie-like rigor gunner

Nobody will ever get $100K+ forgiven ever.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25438835)



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Date: April 24th, 2014 1:51 PM
Author: adventurous talking pozpig library

i owe $275K fuckkkkkkkkkk

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25438843)



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Date: April 24th, 2014 2:10 PM
Author: Self-absorbed Headpube

Not a chance they will be able to renege on current borrowers. Zero chance.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25438950)



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Date: April 24th, 2014 2:17 PM
Author: zombie-like rigor gunner

you know about the tax bomb, right?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25438995)



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Date: April 24th, 2014 2:21 PM
Author: Self-absorbed Headpube

(2007 grad bitterly making monthly payments, grasping at straws)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25439033)



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Date: April 24th, 2014 3:11 PM
Author: Razzmatazz territorial gas station

More like: (earl pumo)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25439390)



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Date: April 24th, 2014 3:50 PM
Author: Sable incel factory reset button

This is false. It's not necessarily likely, but certainly not UNLIKELY that they will retroactively apply changes. The law is unclear.

Regardless, the tax bomb is going to fuck everyone. What the fuck are you smoking?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25439598)



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Date: April 24th, 2014 3:52 PM
Author: zombie-like rigor gunner



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25439607)



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Date: April 24th, 2014 4:10 PM
Author: mind-boggling hospital

Wrong lil breh... The loan paperwork for most, if not all of us, specifically mentions IBR and its terms as a repayment method. While gov't could retroactively take away PAYE from those of us who didn't have it referenced in their loan paperwork, they can't take away IBR.

Because the repayment plan was explicitly mentioned as part of the terms of the loan the government can't unilaterally remove or change the repayment provisions(terms of the loan). Basic contract law.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25439737)



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Date: April 24th, 2014 4:12 PM
Author: Frum Bronze Pocket Flask

IBR is a huge flip tho. 10/20 is far better than 15/25, to the point where all lawyers will just do 10 year

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25439747)



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Date: April 24th, 2014 1:51 PM
Author: adventurous talking pozpig library

reminder: every single other civilized country in the world has subsidized, reasonable tuition rates between $2K and $10K per year.

ONLY IN AMERICA

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25438837)



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Date: April 24th, 2014 1:52 PM
Author: zombie-like rigor gunner

CR, but still, if you're dumb enough to sign the loan papers..

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25438851)



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Date: April 24th, 2014 2:26 PM
Author: trip federal mood

Goddamn jews, amirite?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25439068)



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Date: November 18th, 2014 1:56 PM
Author: Deranged brunch jew

I thought the UK and Australia were pushing to follow our shit ways.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#26744090)



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Date: April 24th, 2014 1:52 PM
Author: fragrant bright hell juggernaut

hopefully they end it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25438848)



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Date: April 24th, 2014 1:53 PM
Author: adventurous talking pozpig library

they have to grandfather in existing people though, right? i signed papers. i've made years worth of payments already counting on that forgiveness.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25438856)



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Date: April 24th, 2014 1:54 PM
Author: zombie-like rigor gunner

No, it would be grotesquely unfair to give some $200-300K+ forgiveness while capping everybody else at $50K.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25438869)



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Date: April 24th, 2014 2:23 PM
Author: sienna slippery mediation place of business

(guy who doesn't understand the concept of grandfathering)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25439047)



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Date: April 24th, 2014 2:26 PM
Author: zombie-like rigor gunner

Even under the current rules, you were never guaranteed full forgiveness. The Tax Bomb is going to be like 35-40%.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25439070)



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Date: April 24th, 2014 3:08 PM
Author: sienna slippery mediation place of business

No one's disputing that. What's your point?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25439377)



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Date: April 24th, 2014 3:12 PM
Author: zombie-like rigor gunner

Hurts any argument that borrowers would be harmed by capping PAYE forgiveness, assuming the tax bomb is also removed. Perhaps the difference between the Tax Bomb any debt above the cap?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25439395)



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Date: April 24th, 2014 1:55 PM
Author: fragrant bright hell juggernaut

im not a lawyer bro. i like to make money so i dont worry about this type of stuff

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25438870)



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Date: April 24th, 2014 2:02 PM
Author: Frum Bronze Pocket Flask

What would breach of PAYE damages even be.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25438904)



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Date: April 24th, 2014 2:06 PM
Author: zombie-like rigor gunner

Well you would've just paid off the debt if not for PAYE reliance, amiright?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25438923)



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Date: April 24th, 2014 2:08 PM
Author: Self-absorbed Headpube

WSJ is right on. PAYE is terrible policy. And I say this as someone on PAYE who fully intends to pay back almost nothing on student loans.

Here is where WSJ wins points:

"This might seem like a windfall for the students, but the only clear winners are the universities that are the ultimate recipients of the taxpayer money. "

Absolutely cr.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25438940)



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Date: April 24th, 2014 2:11 PM
Author: adventurous talking pozpig library

of course they're right, but it would be massively unfair if they fucked existing borrowers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25438955)



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Date: April 24th, 2014 2:11 PM
Author: Self-absorbed Headpube

Won't happen. Bump this in 2030.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25438962)



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Date: April 24th, 2014 2:24 PM
Author: Scarlet half-breed

It would be massively unfair if they just forgave the loans of 2012-2015 and screwed everyone else.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25439054)



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Date: April 24th, 2014 2:27 PM
Author: zombie-like rigor gunner

This won't happen. Nothing is ever getting forgiven past $57K.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25439073)



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Date: April 24th, 2014 2:24 PM
Author: sienna slippery mediation place of business



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25439052)



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Date: April 24th, 2014 2:36 PM
Author: bateful wine brethren spot

it is a windfall for students

and universities

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25439153)



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Date: April 24th, 2014 2:36 PM
Author: zombie-like rigor gunner

*was

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25439154)



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Date: April 24th, 2014 4:23 PM
Author: sienna slippery mediation place of business

*gets a worthless JD all for the low, low price of 20 years of massive interest payments, a completely fucked credit score and a $100k tax bomb at the end of year 20*

O WHAT A WINDFALL!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25439844)



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Date: April 27th, 2014 6:26 PM
Author: bateful wine brethren spot

a jd is not worthless

a person with a jd may be worthless

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25459304)



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Date: April 27th, 2014 10:05 PM
Author: confused electric macaca

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25460940)



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Date: April 24th, 2014 2:27 PM
Author: khaki motley abode

PAYE should be eliminated

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25439077)



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Date: November 18th, 2014 3:10 PM
Author: Curious chrome international law enforcement agency

(Moronic reptile)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#26744417)



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Date: April 24th, 2014 2:29 PM
Author: indecent topaz pisswyrm stead

It is HIGHLY unlikely this will be made retroactively. I say this as someone who writes on the subject and regularly interviews the DOE, student loan experts, and lenders. The promissory notes, alone, will grandfather in anyone on the existing plans. The terms of the loans/promissory notes cannot be suddenly changed without being given warning prior to signing the document (just as potential credit card rate increases/changed terms must be disclosed prior to signing or borrowing).



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25439091)



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Date: April 24th, 2014 2:30 PM
Author: khaki motley abode

Do you understand how legislation works? Congress can change the terms of any contracts it wants.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25439100)



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Date: April 24th, 2014 2:30 PM
Author: Self-absorbed Headpube

Actually, no.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25439109)



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Date: April 24th, 2014 2:42 PM
Author: racy community account box office

no. Governments may act in their sovereign capacity but also as contracting entities. In its sovereign capacity it has far more leeway to make legislation apply retroactively (though there are constitutional limits here as well). When they are a party to a contract, however, they cannot alter already agreed upon contractual terms by legislation because they are like any other person that makes a contractual promise.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25439204)



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Date: April 24th, 2014 2:44 PM
Author: khaki motley abode

I see nothing in the constitution that prevents congress from passing laws that impact contracts it is a party to. I don't know if there is an caselaw on this though.

seems implausible that they "can't" do this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25439215)



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Date: April 24th, 2014 3:06 PM
Author: stirring dog poop boistinker

in practice, here's what happens - congress changes law. no retroactivity. students freak out; file a lawsuit in federal court on takings grounds and whatever else applies. it proceeds through the various levels for a while until it hits the supremes, at which point a 5-4 split decides to fuck the millennials and make them eat shit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25439366)



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Date: April 24th, 2014 3:52 PM
Author: Sable incel factory reset button

Made me laugh and cry at same time.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25439610)



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Date: April 27th, 2014 9:57 PM
Author: Self-absorbed Headpube

But governments aren't people!!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25460860)



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Date: April 24th, 2014 2:30 PM
Author: Self-absorbed Headpube

cr.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25439106)



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Date: April 24th, 2014 2:31 PM
Author: Frum Bronze Pocket Flask

PLUS promissory notes reference neither PAYE nor PSLF. IBR and ICR, yes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25439120)



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Date: April 24th, 2014 2:33 PM
Author: zombie-like rigor gunner



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25439133)



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Date: April 24th, 2014 2:45 PM
Author: adventurous talking pozpig library

so, if we're on IBR, we're good?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25439227)



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Date: April 24th, 2014 2:47 PM
Author: Frum Bronze Pocket Flask

I'm not on PAYE so I'm not sure, but some MFE in another thread was saying that you sign a separate contract outlining your repayments under PAYE, which is the contract you would enforce, not the MPN.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25439249)



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Date: April 24th, 2014 2:54 PM
Author: adventurous talking pozpig library

you sign an application to get on PAYE. it looks like this:

http://www.asa.org/pdfs/federal/ibr_paye_icr-repayment-plan-request.pdf

is that a contract you can enforce?

and then this is what you submit each year to certify your employment if doing PSLF:

http://studentaid.ed.gov/sites/default/files/public-service-employment-certification-form.pdf

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25439295)



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Date: April 24th, 2014 3:05 PM
Author: Frum Bronze Pocket Flask

I'm not sure but I imagine so - or probably, you get another form that is like "This is what you have selected, XXX to complete" and that is what the agreement would be, or something of that nature.

What people can't do is graduate in 2015 and try to cope PAYE if it's already been changed, even if they relied on it on their decision to attend LS.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25439359)



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Date: April 24th, 2014 2:44 PM
Author: racy community account box office

I don't think they'll apply it retroactively either but there could be terms in those notes that permit the government to end certain subsidized repayment plans without penalty.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25439221)



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Date: April 24th, 2014 2:45 PM
Author: Snowy Halford

LOL, all are resources are required to provide for are shitboomer overlords. the idea that this program would ever provide for youngs the kind of bullshit graft that shitboomers provided for themselves was always laughable.

tbf, all government involvement in student loans is a fucking terrible idea.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25439230)



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Date: April 24th, 2014 2:49 PM
Author: laughsome party of the first part bawdyhouse

"tbf, all government involvement in student loans is a fucking terrible idea."



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25439259)



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Date: April 24th, 2014 3:03 PM
Author: Snowy Halford

go on...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25439349)



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Date: April 26th, 2014 4:22 PM
Author: very tactful depressive whorehouse



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25452571)



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Date: April 24th, 2014 3:25 PM
Author: yellow comical newt

Holy shit did they actually link income inequality with young people choosing public service jobs

I want to bludgeon the entire WSJ editorial board with a sack of nails

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25439469)



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Date: April 24th, 2014 3:26 PM
Author: adventurous talking pozpig library



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25439477)



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Date: April 24th, 2014 3:49 PM
Author: Sable incel factory reset button



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25439592)



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Date: April 24th, 2014 3:47 PM
Author: Sable incel factory reset button

Are they *seriously* arguing that it's BAD to have PAYE and incentive programs to get people to work in government and the public interest? The overwhelming majority of students want to work in private sector, high-income jobs. The government is not unpopular per se, but cannot be compared to the interest in private sector work, and public interest? Are you serious? We can't get people to work for most of those organizations because they pay so little.

What a dismissive and unintelligent editorial. These guys do the bidding work of corporations and that's it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25439583)



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Date: April 24th, 2014 4:18 PM
Author: orange mewling state indirect expression

Yes, that was a bad point to focus on. But if they can get people to see how this shit inflates tuition and primarily benefits university staff, I'll take it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25439788)



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Date: April 24th, 2014 4:20 PM
Author: Sable incel factory reset button

Right but that's ****not*** the conservative boomer argument. They do make the point, it is true, that universities use these incentives to jack up tuition. Granted. 100%. But you can't then also add another premise to the argument ... "oh and fuck these students, too" without it becoming a serious problem.

There is no practical solution to get the government out of the loans business. The only thing that happens is that the students with loans lose programs to help them. Maybe tuition stays flat for a while, but ultimately as long as boomers run higher ed and politics, it will never be affordable. The people who suffer: students and youngs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25439810)



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Date: April 24th, 2014 5:51 PM
Author: orange mewling state indirect expression

Think there's a chance that if there were underwriting re academic ability/likelihood to advance students earning power, subsidized loans could help without jacking tuition, ie without financing bullshit degrees for morons?



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25440368)



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Date: April 24th, 2014 5:54 PM
Author: buff foreskin stage

Why incentivize people to work in govt with forgiveness programs? Is there a lack of candidates for govt jobs?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25440394)



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Date: April 26th, 2014 3:14 PM
Author: Big Dark Range Hunting Ground

the best candidates tend to go private so there's a lack of high quality candidates

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25452125)



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Date: April 27th, 2014 6:27 PM
Author: bateful wine brethren spot

bull fucking shit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25459317)



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Date: April 24th, 2014 4:17 PM
Author: shimmering organic girlfriend rehab

WSJ shitwriter with a B.A. in journalism in 1991 from state school who never had over $50k student debt doing his part to ruin the lives of anyone caught in the web of $250 tuition at 8.5%

fuck this shit joke country

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25439786)



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Date: April 24th, 2014 4:18 PM
Author: Sable incel factory reset button

link



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25439791)



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Date: April 24th, 2014 6:05 PM
Author: Exciting Pontificating Yarmulke



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25440451)



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Date: April 24th, 2014 6:07 PM
Author: Cocky pink piazza gaping

LOL. Greedy Boomer-Jew university administrators have pwnd our generation in so many ways. They tricked us into taking out six figures of debt and instilled the omnipresent "THAT'S SO UNFAIR!!!" ethos in us such that any attempt to diminish the promised benefits of PAYE will be fought against by Millennials dependent on the government teet for survival. Meanwhile, the greedy Boomer-Jew university administrators are laughing all the way to the bank as they draw up plans for new gold-plated toilets in the faculty lounges.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25440461)



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Date: April 24th, 2014 8:15 PM
Author: supple national black woman

I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25441131)



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Date: April 24th, 2014 8:17 PM
Author: Cocky pink piazza gaping

explain your moniker to me

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25441145)



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Date: April 26th, 2014 3:26 PM
Author: Balding tank point



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25452209)



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Date: April 26th, 2014 3:33 PM
Author: very tactful depressive whorehouse

this is the end result of Boomerism: an article and 15 pages of comments screaming about the "entitlement" that "these students are getting for free from that socialist Obama" with no comprehension whatsoever that their college experiences were had more or less for free, especially for those who went to state schools set up exactly to be entitlements.

"Wahhhh, these asshole lazy Millennials are getting the same thing after 20 years of wage slavery that we got for nothing! End entitlement spending! How else are you going to pay our Social Security and Medicare that we kept underfunded through voting out any tax increase?!?!"

Kill Boomers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25452247)



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Date: April 26th, 2014 6:48 PM
Author: confused electric macaca



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25453447)



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Date: April 27th, 2014 6:25 PM
Author: adventurous talking pozpig library



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25459294)



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Date: April 27th, 2014 7:42 PM
Author: hateful sapphire area



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25459882)



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Date: November 18th, 2014 1:50 PM
Author: Scarlet half-breed



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#26744038)



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Date: April 27th, 2014 8:43 PM
Author: Charcoal histrionic institution messiness

Conturds will not be happy until we can re-institute slavery. all these arguments against shit like PAYE or minimum wage are just a backdoor effort to re-slave us all

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25460295)



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Date: April 27th, 2014 8:56 PM
Author: Ultramarine nursing home

No, but reptiles would be perfectly happy to destroy the current paradigm concerning higher education. I don't blame them, and in fact, hope they succeed.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25460402)



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Date: April 27th, 2014 8:59 PM
Author: Charcoal histrionic institution messiness

they want to destroy higher education so that they can protect the rich even more u dumb faggot.. they want everyone to be lemmings so only the mega rich can become educated

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25460429)



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Date: April 27th, 2014 10:05 PM
Author: confused electric macaca

LOL, link?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25460949)



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Date: April 27th, 2014 8:57 PM
Author: frisky lay

lol

are you still out of the country breh?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25460415)



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Date: April 27th, 2014 8:59 PM
Author: Charcoal histrionic institution messiness

sorta faggot

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25460432)



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Date: April 27th, 2014 9:02 PM
Author: frisky lay

how's los angeles?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25460456)



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Date: April 27th, 2014 9:03 PM
Author: Charcoal histrionic institution messiness

How uranus?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25460468)



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Date: May 13th, 2014 9:22 PM
Author: Thriller bat-shit-crazy indian lodge shitlib



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25556369)



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Date: November 18th, 2014 1:54 PM
Author: Cocky pink piazza gaping

mo money fo dem programs (xo poas

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#26744071)



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Date: November 18th, 2014 1:55 PM
Author: Deranged brunch jew

"most loans are issued regardless of a borrower's ability to repay."

Bankruptcy is a good fix for that.

It gets incentives aligned right quick.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#26744076)