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Date: April 24th, 2014 1:28 PM Author: Exciting Pontificating Yarmulke
Telling Students to Earn Less
Obama now calls for reforming his bleeding college loan program.
The federal student loan program is becoming so costly to taxpayers that even President Obama is pretending to fix it. Readers will recall Mr. Obama as the man who has spent much of his Presidency expanding this program, creating new ways for borrowers to avoid repayment, and then campaigning about these dubious achievements on campuses nationwide.
Now Team Obama is acknowledging that his policies are turning out to be more expensive than he claimed. Participation in federal debt-forgiveness programs is surging. In a mere six months the number of borrowers who've signed up for such plans has increased to more than 1.3 million from less than a million, with total balances rising to $72 billion from $52 billion. Maybe the White House didn't understand that when you give people an economic incentive not to repay a loan, more people won't repay.
Taxpayers can suffer in many ways from federal education lending, because most loans are issued regardless of a borrower's ability to repay. So loose is this form of credit that in the slow-growth Obama economy it has become a vehicle to fund basic living expenses, with tens of thousands of borrowers consuming aid even when they're not enrolled for courses.
But the immediate taxpayer S.O.S. concerns Mr. Obama's Pay As You Earn program. We've warned for years about the risks of this program as Mr. Obama has worked to expand the number of eligible borrowers and sweeten its terms.
Pay As You Earn allows students under certain circumstances to borrow an unlimited amount and then cap monthly payments at 10% of their discretionary income. If they choose productive work in the private economy, the loans are forgiven after 20 years. But if they choose to work in government or for a nonprofit, Uncle Sugar forgives their loans after 10 years.
For aspiring community organizers who go to college and then grad school before moving into a job that the government defines as public service, the forgiven debt can be $150,000 or more, courtesy of the taxpayer. And unlike with some other federal programs, when the government forgives the debt of one of the exalted class of nonprofit or government workers, the do-gooder doesn't have to report it as income to the IRS. Who wouldn't want to pick up $150,000 tax-free?
Energized by Mr. Obama's 2011 expansion, Pay As You Earn has been a slow-motion bailout for law schools, which saw diminishing applications in the wake of the financial crisis. Now the money is still rolling in thanks to more leveraged students. Upon graduation the median law school grad in 2012 was carrying more than $128,000 in grad-school debt, up from $77,000 in 2004.
But how much of it will ever be repaid? At least one creative school, Georgetown, last year offered to pay the students' monthly bills under the Pay As You Earn program while simultaneously raising tuitions. This essentially makes taxpayers pay the entire cost and turns the loans into six-figure grants.
The White House is finally admitting there's a problem, albeit sotto voce. The President's 2015 budget proposes to "reform the [Pay As You Earn] terms to ensure that the program is well-targeted and provides a safeguard against rising tuition at high-cost institutions." But it seems the White House is more concerned with the appearances of this taxpayer fleecing than the reality. Later in the budget tables the White House notes that its plan to "expand and reform student loan income-based repayment" will cost taxpayers even more than the status quo—by more than $3.5 billion over 10 years.
As for the status quo, Jason Delisle of the New America Foundation has been tracking the expanding red ink. He notes that in 2010 when the President first sketched out the idea for Pay As You Earn, the cost of permitting past borrowers to use the program's "more generous terms was approximately $1.7 billion. The administration reported the cost for the same proposal in 2013 as approximately $3.5 billion. In 2014 it quoted the cost at approximately $7.6 billion." Look for the estimates to keep rising—especially after this fall's election.
This might seem like a windfall for the students, but the only clear winners are the universities that are the ultimate recipients of the taxpayer money. While the students may technically get the freebie, the impressionable youngsters, who likely have little or no wealth, are being given an enormous financial incentive to pursue careers in government or at low-paying nonprofits.
The consequences for our economy are no less tragic than for the individual borrowers. They are being driven away from the path down which their natural ambition and talent might have taken them. President Obama keeps talking about reducing income equality. So why does he keep paying young people not to pursue higher incomes?
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304279904579517934206301354#printMode
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25438723) |
Date: April 24th, 2014 1:30 PM Author: Frum Bronze Pocket Flask
*Rails against PAYE*
*Exclusively Refers to PSLF Provisions*
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25438732) |
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Date: November 18th, 2014 2:11 PM Author: Poppy crotch
Forgot to change Monkiers, lil Breh
Date: November 18th, 2014 2:09 PM
Author: \"\'\'\"\"\'\'\'\'\'\'\'\'
Lol my salary is in the low 90s with 15% bonus HTH. Post a screenshot of you public defender wage and I'll post mine you little fag ljl.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#26744159) |
Date: April 24th, 2014 1:51 PM Author: adventurous talking pozpig library
reminder: every single other civilized country in the world has subsidized, reasonable tuition rates between $2K and $10K per year.
ONLY IN AMERICA
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25438837) |
Date: April 24th, 2014 2:08 PM Author: Self-absorbed Headpube
WSJ is right on. PAYE is terrible policy. And I say this as someone on PAYE who fully intends to pay back almost nothing on student loans.
Here is where WSJ wins points:
"This might seem like a windfall for the students, but the only clear winners are the universities that are the ultimate recipients of the taxpayer money. "
Absolutely cr.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25438940) |
Date: April 24th, 2014 2:29 PM Author: indecent topaz pisswyrm stead
It is HIGHLY unlikely this will be made retroactively. I say this as someone who writes on the subject and regularly interviews the DOE, student loan experts, and lenders. The promissory notes, alone, will grandfather in anyone on the existing plans. The terms of the loans/promissory notes cannot be suddenly changed without being given warning prior to signing the document (just as potential credit card rate increases/changed terms must be disclosed prior to signing or borrowing).
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25439091)
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Date: April 24th, 2014 2:45 PM Author: Snowy Halford
LOL, all are resources are required to provide for are shitboomer overlords. the idea that this program would ever provide for youngs the kind of bullshit graft that shitboomers provided for themselves was always laughable.
tbf, all government involvement in student loans is a fucking terrible idea.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25439230) |
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Date: April 24th, 2014 2:49 PM Author: laughsome party of the first part bawdyhouse
"tbf, all government involvement in student loans is a fucking terrible idea."
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25439259)
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Date: April 24th, 2014 3:25 PM Author: yellow comical newt
Holy shit did they actually link income inequality with young people choosing public service jobs
I want to bludgeon the entire WSJ editorial board with a sack of nails
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25439469) |
Date: April 24th, 2014 3:47 PM Author: Sable incel factory reset button
Are they *seriously* arguing that it's BAD to have PAYE and incentive programs to get people to work in government and the public interest? The overwhelming majority of students want to work in private sector, high-income jobs. The government is not unpopular per se, but cannot be compared to the interest in private sector work, and public interest? Are you serious? We can't get people to work for most of those organizations because they pay so little.
What a dismissive and unintelligent editorial. These guys do the bidding work of corporations and that's it.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25439583) |
Date: April 26th, 2014 3:33 PM Author: very tactful depressive whorehouse
this is the end result of Boomerism: an article and 15 pages of comments screaming about the "entitlement" that "these students are getting for free from that socialist Obama" with no comprehension whatsoever that their college experiences were had more or less for free, especially for those who went to state schools set up exactly to be entitlements.
"Wahhhh, these asshole lazy Millennials are getting the same thing after 20 years of wage slavery that we got for nothing! End entitlement spending! How else are you going to pay our Social Security and Medicare that we kept underfunded through voting out any tax increase?!?!"
Kill Boomers.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#25452247) |
Date: November 18th, 2014 1:55 PM Author: Deranged brunch jew
"most loans are issued regardless of a borrower's ability to repay."
Bankruptcy is a good fix for that.
It gets incentives aligned right quick.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2550748&forum_id=2#26744076) |
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