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Any other biglaw people wish they had a 9-5 60k job
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Date: July 1st, 2014 2:01 PM Author: Pink awkward school new version most of my friends from my TTT UG got random corporate jobs at banks or marketing firms or whatever, and are making 60-70k 5 years out. one of them took today off to get a couch delivered and is spending the rest of the day playing mario kart 8 with his girl, who just called in sick to stay in with him. seems pretty credited. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#25851673) |
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Date: July 1st, 2014 2:25 PM Author: Azure gunner so you can't take off a few hours to get furniture delivered if you work at a law firm? do they expect you to just sit on the floor or something? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#25851837) |
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Date: July 1st, 2014 2:26 PM Author: Opaque Market cr. Can just slip out for a few hours without saying anything to anyone. Need to diversify your workflow so that people can always assume that you're doing something for someone else. Make your hours and hopefully no one cares. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#25851853) |
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Date: July 1st, 2014 2:27 PM Author: Pink awkward school new version sure if it's just for a few hours and i still check my emails during that time. i can't just take the entire day off on a whim and not have to think about work until the next morning. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#25851854) |
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Date: July 1st, 2014 2:31 PM Author: Azure gunner yea, you probably actually can (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#25851884) |
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Date: July 1st, 2014 2:31 PM Author: Pink awkward school new version lemme guess, shitttigator? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#25851892) |
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Date: July 1st, 2014 2:33 PM Author: Azure gunner lol at going to law school (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#25851904) |
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Date: July 1st, 2014 2:33 PM Author: Pink awkward school new version 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#25851908) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2014 8:08 AM Author: Swashbuckling nubile selfie 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#26182351) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2014 12:10 AM Author: Jade locale old irish cottage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#26180724) |
Date: July 1st, 2014 2:04 PM Author: know-it-all boistinker yeah but he probably gets scoffed at for his lack of opera knowledge (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#25851686) |
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Date: July 1st, 2014 2:05 PM Author: Talented gaming laptop doctorate 70k is a decent salary for most of the US Combine with a spouses making the same and youre doing well |
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Date: July 1st, 2014 2:05 PM Author: peach fat ankles If it's a stressful 9-5 no. I work a stressful 9-5ish job for. $65k practicing lolaw (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#25851692) |
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Date: July 1st, 2014 2:10 PM Author: Internet-worthy Stage C'mon breh, you want dat $3400 monthly takehome? Really? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#25851732) |
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Date: July 1st, 2014 2:11 PM Author: Talented gaming laptop doctorate In most cities this is completely fine (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#25851740) |
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Date: July 1st, 2014 2:13 PM Author: Pink awkward school new version living with a chill roommate or 3 is pretty sweet in your late 20s man. all of them are living it up in 2br-flex apartments in murray hill. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#25851755) |
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Date: July 1st, 2014 2:14 PM Author: Irradiated Institution not really. no one wants that kind of drop (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#25851759) |
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Date: July 1st, 2014 2:15 PM Author: Unhinged pearl kitchen nibblets (guy with such a shitty social and home life that he doesn't mind working 60hrs/wk during his mid-20s) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#25851770) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2014 1:09 AM Author: Spruce vivacious station (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#26181126) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2014 4:21 PM Author: diverse beta gas station 60 hours a week? Where can I find that job (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#26184700) |
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Date: July 1st, 2014 2:14 PM Author: Unhinged pearl kitchen nibblets Fuck law, for real. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#25851758) |
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Date: July 1st, 2014 2:14 PM Author: Opaque Market In Tampa, sure, but not in a big city. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#25851761) |
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Date: July 1st, 2014 2:19 PM Author: Aromatic Parlour I can certainly understand the allure of it. If you can have good food, get laid, and have a comfy place to sleep and watch tv you're set for the most part. The material things you could buy with biglaw money probably aren't worth the stress of billable hours and 24/7 availability. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#25851787) |
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Date: July 1st, 2014 4:36 PM Author: Spruce vivacious station titcr. the additional material shit biglaw money affords u is complete flame. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#25852769) |
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Date: July 1st, 2014 2:20 PM Author: Bearded sex offender TWIST: most of these jobs are so mind numbingly boring i wouldnt mind working the extra 15-20 hours/wk and literally DOUBLING my salary as a biglolyer (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#25851799) |
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Date: July 1st, 2014 2:23 PM Author: Aromatic Parlour I don't think biglaw work is all that fascinating but I can understand putting in a bit of extra time for double the salary. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#25851826) |
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Date: July 1st, 2014 2:24 PM Author: Pink awkward school new version maybe the accountants or data analyst types. but people i know in marketing or buying/planning for fashion companies are pretty satisfied. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#25851831) |
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Date: July 1st, 2014 2:26 PM Author: bespoke orchestra pit Yes, because law is exciting and interesting! And you also know that you really matter and what you do is important! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#25851852) |
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Date: July 1st, 2014 2:31 PM Author: Bearded sex offender bro i am saying both jobs are equally as boring why not work slightly more for DOUBLE SALARY. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#25851895) |
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Date: July 1st, 2014 2:37 PM Author: bespoke orchestra pit The time and energy commitment for biglaw is much different than "slightly more." Nobody would consider even consider this hypo if it were just a mild uptick. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#25851933) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2014 1:26 AM Author: Contagious red spot that's not a twist.
anyone who knows real stress won't ever be bored again. |
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Date: July 1st, 2014 2:22 PM Author: bespoke orchestra pit Bump it to $80K and then for sure. $60K is a little rocky if you live in an actual city or you own a house. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#25851813) |
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Date: July 1st, 2014 2:26 PM Author: racy idiotic depressive cr. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#25851848) |
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Date: July 1st, 2014 2:34 PM Author: Lavender antidepressant drug $60k is shitty and too low. when you get up to $80-90k, it's a lot more appealing. i applied for a posting for ucla law librarian after biglaw...that job paid like $90k to do nothing!!! never heard back from them though, lol. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#25851916) |
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Date: July 1st, 2014 2:37 PM Author: Pink awkward school new version what do you do now? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#25851931) |
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Date: July 1st, 2014 3:01 PM Author: Lavender antidepressant drug 9-6 inhouse, yny! tbf, i got realllll lucky. had to be the perfect combo of factors for me to get this job (poor marketing of the job which attracted fewer candidates, timing of my job search, desperation of my job search which led me to search random postings, shared alumni connections, etc) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#25852093) |
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Date: July 1st, 2014 3:03 PM Author: bespoke orchestra pit What would you have done if you ended up bailing into midlaw like earl? Would you be OK with the hours and lifestyle of still seriously working in the legal profession for midlaw comp and likely upward mobility? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#25852115) |
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Date: July 1st, 2014 3:31 PM Author: Lavender antidepressant drug if i ended up in midlaw, i would've considered it to be a temporary thing as well. i just didn't want to be at a law firm and i hated litigation. i also didn't want a job that required billing hours, period. i don't care if they have a 1500 hrs billing requirement. it's the constantly being on call and being your client's bitch. i also don't want the pressures that come w/ being partner (internal politics, marketing, etc). i would work midlaw until i could find another job (legal or non-legal). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#25852319) |
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Date: July 1st, 2014 4:30 PM Author: bespoke orchestra pit CR (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#25852727) |
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Date: July 1st, 2014 2:38 PM Author: bespoke orchestra pit Why would they hire someone without a library science degree? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#25851942) |
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Date: July 1st, 2014 2:43 PM Author: Lavender antidepressant drug it wasn't actually a librarian position...more legal research that said "jd preferred." but even if they wanted an actual librarian, i would've stilled applied. i learned a long time ago that you should just apply to every random ass position you find even if you don't meet the qualifications b/c you never know. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#25851966) |
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Date: July 1st, 2014 2:44 PM Author: Azure gunner millennials who whine about every job requiring 3 years experience don't seem to get this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#25851972) |
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Date: July 1st, 2014 2:47 PM Author: bespoke orchestra pit In law the experience barrier is far more true than most professions, but Nutella still has the right idea. Without personal advantages, volume is the only I way I can imagine anyone has a shot at decent jobs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#25851999) |
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Date: July 1st, 2014 2:56 PM Author: thriller doobsian mexican This is cr. My personal strategy is to simply apply to any job I believe I could perform reasonably well - no matter their stated preferred experience level or qualifications. This has resulted in more interviews or job offers than Millenials would expect, since H.R. reps will consider candidates in any number of ways. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#25852049) |
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Date: July 1st, 2014 2:59 PM Author: bespoke orchestra pit TBF, you are an attractive minority woman who knows how to shake down the corporate employment process like a pro, so the normal rules don't apply to you. But I generally agree. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#25852075) |
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Date: July 1st, 2014 3:06 PM Author: thriller doobsian mexican Knowing how to shake down the corporate employment process is a skill which can improve anyone's prospects, to be fair. Being an attractive minority helps, sure, but it only takes you so far. The rest is understanding how H.R. at these companies thinks, how to apply & negotiate offers accordingly, which sorts of jobs to prefer, etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#25852131) |
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Date: July 1st, 2014 3:08 PM Author: bespoke orchestra pit Right, I'm just saying. You're a finely tuned corporate bullshit job acquisition masterwoman. The average clueless millenial isn't going to get similar mileage from your plucky "you never know!" approach to job hunting. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#25852153) |
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Date: July 1st, 2014 3:13 PM Author: thriller doobsian mexican The average Millenial doesn't understand their prospects as a candidate or the H.R. process well enough to exploit any advantages. They can learn these things, however.
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Date: July 1st, 2014 3:22 PM Author: bespoke orchestra pit Discussing the ability of millenials to squander potential vs. realistic ability to actualize is fertile subthread wasteland territory. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#25852263) |
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Date: July 1st, 2014 3:11 PM Author: Nofapping Beady-eyed Set CR (I hope) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#25852176) |
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Date: July 1st, 2014 2:45 PM Author: bespoke orchestra pit Probably a shrewd strategy. I wish I had your ability to just turn my brain off concerning livelihood.
How was your nuptial celebration? |
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Date: July 1st, 2014 3:07 PM Author: Lavender antidepressant drug it's generally easier for women to turn off than men.
the nuptials were fun...everybody was in a rum haze for a week. |
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Date: July 1st, 2014 3:13 PM Author: bespoke orchestra pit Glad it went well and congratulations. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#25852189) |
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Date: July 1st, 2014 2:41 PM Author: thriller doobsian mexican My brief stint at Franklin Templeton was like this. I was making 95k base + 15k bonus to write 1-2 blogs and conduct one TV interview per week. I literally worked no more than 10 hours per week. Maybe I'm a striver, but that was too fucking boring for me to withstand...I left a few months later for a job that paid only a bit more, in which I worked 60 hrs/wk, but had real responsibility & job satisfaction. Sitting around twiddling my thumbs all day isn't for me. I don't delude myself into believing my work has real value, but having something to occupy your mind/time is intrinsically rewarding.
Of course, there are diminishing returns on the other end, as well. At more than 60 hours per week, I don't care what you pay me - I'd rather do nothing for 60-90k than work myself to death for $250-300k. |
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Date: July 1st, 2014 2:48 PM Author: Lavender antidepressant drug different stroke for different folks. i know people who need to be stimulated intellectually at their jobs. i'm not one of them. i find satisfaction in having a life outside work and being able to leave and truly not be on call.
i average doing anywhere from 10-20 hours of actual work per week. i find plenty of things to amuse myself with during the day (gym, checking my stock portfolio, looking at redfin, gchatting, xoxo, etc.) |
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Date: July 1st, 2014 2:51 PM Author: thriller doobsian mexican In general,I agree, although a job that is challenging or intellectually rewarding can partly justify longer hours and/or lower pay . My current job is probably the sweet spot - $200kish for 30 hrs/wk of real work (although I'm in the office or on call for about 50). Any more than that, though, and I'd rather take the OP's proposition. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#25852026) |
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Date: July 1st, 2014 2:51 PM Author: bespoke orchestra pit What do you consider to be 'actual work?' (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#25852029) |
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Date: July 1st, 2014 2:50 PM Author: bespoke orchestra pit I'm slipping. Somehow didn't realize this was Julia until I the first comma splice. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#25852022) |
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Date: July 1st, 2014 2:45 PM Author: Wonderful cumskin potus I'm not in Biglaw anymore but I still work 8-7 most days for 5 x what your friends make.
I, err, um, ah, really, really, really like the paycheck. That's why I don't mind the hours and I do enjoy what I do. It's a lot of strategic planning, meetings, pitch sessions, reviewing docs and recs from the legal division, and some internal corporate management bullshit. Definitely not as stressful as Biglaw could be but the stakes are a bit higher in a way.
It helps that my wife is pretty accommodating, she knows she won't see much of me till the weekends and that plans can cancel at any minute because I have to fly somewhere.
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Date: July 1st, 2014 5:01 PM Author: hyperventilating brethren circlehead do you ever feel like you would rather be doing something else for most of your waking hours? or any pangs of guilt for being vastly overpaid for the service you provide? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#25852880) |
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Date: July 1st, 2014 2:52 PM Author: 180 Adulterous Pervert Shrine I have such a job and it sucks. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#25852033) |
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Date: July 1st, 2014 2:55 PM Author: bespoke orchestra pit You make $60K?
Also, I don't think the OP is considering retail/pink collar jobs where you're on your feet all day and dealing with the public. |
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Date: July 1st, 2014 3:01 PM Author: Azure gunner it sounds like you actually do work (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#25852095) |
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Date: July 1st, 2014 3:03 PM Author: 180 Adulterous Pervert Shrine We got a 2000-piece shipment in the other day. Boxes and shit everywhere. Had to unload everything by hand. So I'm covered with sweat after doing this in the eighty degree heat, and then some bitch customer wants to yell because I won't give her a refund on something she bought three months ago. I hate my life. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#25852109) |
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Date: July 1st, 2014 3:04 PM Author: bespoke orchestra pit You are going to ruin your twink build if you keep hauling around 30 lb. boxes of pears. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#25852120) |
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Date: July 1st, 2014 3:09 PM Author: Bearded sex offender how is your new shipment of avocados (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#25852161) |
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Date: July 1st, 2014 3:17 PM Author: up-to-no-good passionate clown When I was in biglaw, I would sometimes stop at some annoying traffic bottleneck and honestly fantasize about being one of the construction workers (no homo). Being outside rather than in a sterile office environment sitting in a chair for 12 hours a day while developing weird posture issues and becoming more and more nebbish, absorbing Vitamin C from the sun like humans are supposed to do, working with my hands, building something ... yeah not a good sign when you look up to construction workers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#25852216) |
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Date: July 1st, 2014 3:17 PM Author: Nofapping Beady-eyed Set (guy who DOES NOT complete his TPS reports) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#25852224) |
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Date: July 1st, 2014 4:29 PM Author: Drunken marketing idea lettuce (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#25852719) |
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Date: July 1st, 2014 3:18 PM Author: thriller doobsian mexican Vitamin D, bro -- One "absorbs" D (not C) from the sun. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#25852233) |
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Date: July 1st, 2014 3:18 PM Author: up-to-no-good passionate clown oops ur right bro (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#25852234) |
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Date: July 1st, 2014 3:18 PM Author: Big Address The difference is entirely the being on call 24/7 element. I usually leave my biglaw office around 7 pm, but have the obligation to drop everything and do work from home 24/7. So even when I get home, my mind is stuck in work. So a 9-5 with a blackberry and that culture wouldn't be worth it. Biglaw 9-7 or 9-8 would be fine if you could stop thinking about work when you got home or on a Sunday. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#25852229) |
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Date: July 1st, 2014 3:25 PM Author: bespoke orchestra pit For me, it's 50/50 lack of freedom and hatred of the people I work with. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#25852282) |
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Date: July 1st, 2014 3:20 PM Author: Pearly dashing abode rigpig $60k is how much I made on my first job. Lol at making this as a career. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#25852242) |
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Date: July 1st, 2014 5:02 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle canary black woman temple Yeah, made this at 21 and it seemed like a lot at the time. But LOL at going from 200K to 60K for a few extra hours a day. Maybe 9-5 125K or something would be worth looking at. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#25852891) |
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Date: July 1st, 2014 3:23 PM Author: ruby flirting karate mad-dog skullcap no (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#25852268) |
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Date: July 1st, 2014 3:28 PM Author: gaped library jewess i work 9-5 (7.5 work hours) at 80k. i wish i made more, but it's worth the tradeoff in reduced stress.
before wife quit her job we were making 170k combined and lived pretty comfortably. she's in school now and staying home with the kids, and things are incredibly tight. yes, we are doing the true american prole thing, raising two kids on 80k. I can't wait for her to return to the workforce. |
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Date: August 21st, 2014 10:29 AM Author: hyperventilating brethren circlehead what a faggot. hopefully you'll be hit by a bus tomorrow and your family will experience real penury (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#26175770) |
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Date: August 21st, 2014 10:37 AM Author: Tan Halford Site american prole is 55k two kids (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#26175814) |
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Date: July 1st, 2014 4:30 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle canary black woman temple lol no (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#25852728) |
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Date: July 1st, 2014 4:31 PM Author: honey-headed church what about 7.30 - 5.00 40k job? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#25852737) |
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Date: July 1st, 2014 4:33 PM Author: Aromatic Parlour 7-2 60k job as a teacher? My friend has a job like this. He won't work again until September. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#25852753) |
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Date: July 1st, 2014 4:44 PM Author: motley boltzmann cruise ship even in the bay area teachers only start at 47k. anywhere with s decent col would take forever to make 60k (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#25852800) |
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Date: July 1st, 2014 5:23 PM Author: Aromatic Parlour He's in his 4th or 5th year but to be fair he's in a suburban union district outside a major northeast city. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#25852978) |
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Date: July 1st, 2014 4:38 PM Author: Indecent principal's office Then quit your job and get a 60K job for 9-6 you faggot. |
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Date: July 1st, 2014 4:40 PM Author: Spruce vivacious station biglaw has ruined most of my personal & romantic relationships (literally just no time to see anyone, im a faggot & have to check bb and leave when i do see them) and triggered a number of severe bouts of mental illness (as seen by my posts on xoxohth.com). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#25852785) |
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Date: July 1st, 2014 5:04 PM Author: peach fat ankles *his walks are delicate and sweet as he tip toes out of his office and down Broadway (midtown)*
*he has a sweet Disney like smile, ready to indulge in the sweet treat*
*he is still on his toes*
*AND THEN HE GALLOPS*
*AND PRANCES*
*AND DANCES!* |
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Date: August 21st, 2014 10:44 AM Author: Jade locale old irish cottage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#26175840) |
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Date: August 20th, 2014 11:10 PM Author: Carnelian vigorous theatre (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#26173594) |
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Date: August 21st, 2014 10:47 AM Author: Adventurous crawly useless brakes how do people live on 60k (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#26175851) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2014 2:01 AM Author: floppy cocky background story chapel It's easy if you save nothing for retirement. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#26181412) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2014 1:18 AM Author: Alcoholic stirring hell I quit BIGLAW after 1.5 years, did another half year at a smaller more niche firm, then quit when an opportunity in a related but not-attorney gig 9-5, 65K opened up. I took a pay cut but this allows me to grow into the new industry. When I'm 45 I will thank myself. If I had stayed in law I would have been stuck forever.
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Date: August 22nd, 2014 1:20 AM Author: Spruce vivacious station DESCRIBE leaving after 1.5 years and DESCRIBE the stint at the small firm.
ive flirted w idea of jumping before 2 years is up but im scared to
also whats ur job now like? |
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Date: August 22nd, 2014 1:26 AM Author: Alcoholic stirring hell Leaving after 1.5: not a problem. I have a dual degree and almost no debt so it wasn't as big of a deal. The firm was awful but sometimes I think it was just me being a white collar pussy. Some people quit after 1 year, some left around 1.5, more left around 2 years, but the majority were still there for year 3. They wished me well and the only negative shit I got was passive aggressive comments from my law school peers at alumni events. "Wait, so you LEFT?! Wow...." I've come to realize the envy.
Small firm: This work is what helped me jump to the new line of work. They were not happy when I left. Not happy at all. I don't feel bad about it because they knew I was thinking about leaving law in general and I did great work for them.
Catch-22 re: 2 years. On one hand, 2 years lets you claim to have been a real attorney and maybe a coherent narrative about wanting to leave. Plus it looks less like you were jumping around. On the other hand, if you stay too long in law it becomes really hard to leave law. Even 2 years might make it difficult because the lack of practical non-legal experience. And the golden handcuffs.
New job is in a field where having a JD is not a scarlet letter but at the same time it's not required. It helped me get the job and allows me to do the job well (although just being type A is probably sufficient). The real kicker will be when I start interviewing for senior management level positions. The JD is, I am told, a selling point for these people. Law degrees are prestigious to non-lawyers. |
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Date: August 22nd, 2014 1:32 AM Author: Spruce vivacious station Cool man. Thanks for this. What line of work is your new job in?
I'll probably just stick around for 2 as I'm already haflway there. Gotta GUARD AGAINST that "just one more year" syndrome though. I see 6th and 7th years that literally want to die but they've gone all in and there's no turning back. |
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Date: August 22nd, 2014 1:35 AM Author: Alcoholic stirring hell Golden handcuffs and no exit options man. It's a hard line to balance. My advice: start the networking coffees now. I am a rare story though my friend, most people don't have degrees outside of law and the right connections, so be careful.
I wish I could talk more about my job. I think it's 180. But XO is XO. It's just a JD advantage type of job. |
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Date: August 22nd, 2014 6:41 AM Author: hyperventilating brethren circlehead (lead contract analyst) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#26182136) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2014 7:49 AM Author: Alcoholic stirring hell (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#26182303) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2014 12:06 PM Author: Lavender antidepressant drug if you're in corporate, you should stick it out. if you're in lit and want to exit lit, it's pretty tough after 4-5 years. your entire skill set is not transferrable into any other field, even other legal fields.
switching industries like this pumo is very rare and i wouldn't count on it. |
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Date: August 22nd, 2014 12:10 PM Author: Judgmental roast beef short stint in biglaw before going in-house...all m&a/pe type work for a certain industry. Not a fan of current employer but I feel that skipping out on 2 jobs in 3 years is going to look bad. Thoughts? Stick it out at current in-house for 3-4 years before looking for something else? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#26183100) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2014 12:54 PM Author: Lavender antidepressant drug yes, i'd say at least 2-3 years before looking. otherwise you look too flaky.
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Date: August 22nd, 2014 1:17 PM Author: comical disturbing skinny woman mother i'm in a similar situation...does staying for 3-4 years in-house preclude you from going back to biglaw? stayed under 2 years in biglaw due to practice area issues, but have thought about going back after putting in some in-house time, where i'm getting hands on experience and working directly with biglaw partners. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#26183450) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2014 2:49 PM Author: Lavender antidepressant drug why on earth would you want to go back to biglaw? sorry, once you're in-house, you're stuck in-house (for better or worse). your experience is not relevant to biglaw practice, even if you're working directly with biglaw partners.
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Date: August 22nd, 2014 3:55 PM Author: Alcoholic stirring hell Nutella, your point makes sense for those trying to stay in law. My advice was exclusively for people trying to leave the industry. There's a fine balance between staying too long and getting locked into biglaw (either through golden handcuffs or lack of non-legal experience) and leaving too fast and looking "flaky" as you describe it.
For a litigator, they're pretty much stuck in litigation after a few years. Corporate, as you note, has a better chance getting in-house.
If you know you want out of law (in my case having a dual degree and specific industry in mind), it may make sense to jump before 2 years. I was able to leverage the prestige of my firm, some of the experience, and JD into this new industry. Had I waited too long, they would consider me just another attorney looking to leave law.
That said, I think it is not common, but not rare. Plenty of attorneys in non-legal gigs. I may agree not to count on it, but that is why I recommend some coffee and networking ASAP to test the water. You lose an hour and $5. |
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Date: July 3rd, 2020 8:41 PM Author: fuchsia jet-lagged national security agency (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#40543549) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2014 12:07 PM Author: Judgmental roast beef I jumped before year to 9-5 150k inhouse (I know I got lucky). Can't hurt to apply for inhouse jobs you're qualified for (some, not many but some, will hire people with 0-3 yrs experience). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#26183087) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2014 1:21 AM Author: Drab Crackhouse Affirmative Action PSA: I have an 8-6 job and will clear $250k this year BEFORE stock options.
You chose poorly. |
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Date: August 22nd, 2014 1:22 AM Author: Alcoholic stirring hell (guy with HUGE dick) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#26181212) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2014 1:22 AM Author: Drab Crackhouse Affirmative Action Maybe I do, maybe I do. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#26181214) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2014 1:28 AM Author: Contagious red spot and that's treating you so well you have to brag about it at 1:21 am. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#26181251) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2014 1:35 AM Author: Drab Crackhouse Affirmative Action West coast, brother: the promised land. Sorry for making you feel bad. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#26181299) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2014 1:53 AM Author: shimmering alcoholic genital piercing This is odd. Who works 8-6? It's not normal software, and salary is too high for software. Software base salary maxes around $200k. And why stock options? I suspect this is a legal/business position at a start-up so your options are (very likely) worthless. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#26181386) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2014 1:54 AM Author: Drab Crackhouse Affirmative Action Executive in F500.
ALso: LOL at a "startup" that pays *anyone* $250k.
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Date: August 22nd, 2014 2:07 PM Author: Infuriating Hall (guy who doesnt know what startups pay) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#26183734) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2014 8:17 AM Author: Azure gunner (guy who was smuggled into this country on a chinese oil tanker) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#26182376) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2014 9:02 AM Author: white community account windowlicker Does an eagle will that its wings be clipped that it might no longer soar into the high-glint sky? The answer is "no." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#26182461) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2014 2:07 PM Author: Infuriating Hall i made six figures working literally 10-4 with a 2 hour lunch in between. it was boring as fuck. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#26183741) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2014 3:47 PM Author: hyperventilating brethren circlehead how do i get this job? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2607875&forum_id=2#26184401) |