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How is the Ivy experience different if you enter as a poor?
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Date: July 24th, 2014 10:15 AM Author: ocher spot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25992832) |
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Date: July 25th, 2014 2:23 PM Author: obsidian multi-colored kitty http://imgur.com/Y0WxJMs.jpg (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25999911) |
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Date: August 12th, 2014 1:33 PM Author: Hairless Piazza Mother fucker ^ dick pic (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#26113218) |
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Date: July 27th, 2014 9:18 PM Author: Nofapping Glittery Codepig Nursing Home Since 70% of the class is on financial aid, it should be easy enough to find out, right?
But they got dat SWEET 150K mid-career salary to look forward - out of fucking control WELLFFFFFFFF |
Date: July 24th, 2014 10:41 AM Author: ocher spot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25992976) |
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Date: July 25th, 2014 11:23 AM Author: ocher spot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25998982) |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 11:15 AM Author: Rose Ceo Box Office Very few truly poor people in the Ivy League. While I knew several classmates who were getting large amounts of financial aid, what struck me is that they almost all came from educated backgrounds. Their parents tended to be clergy, artists, etc. So, often they were still sort of culturally umc. Those who were first generation college (generally middle class in economic terms) were remarkable people who seemed to work especially hard to take advantage of the opportunity. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25993118) |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 11:19 AM Author: ocher spot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25993133) |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 11:20 AM Author: wild step-uncle's house potus The UMC bros are often just zuckerberg dorks and asians. It's not like they're all suave 6'4" WASPs in fucking boatshoes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25993139) |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 11:23 AM Author: ocher spot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25993155) |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 11:26 AM Author: Rose Ceo Box Office While we are not talking about truly poor people here, yes, the people that I discussed above fit in seamlessly. The atmosphere seemed much less stratified than that of the flagship state school in my home state, which many of my friends attended. I think the difference was that the brand name of the school was so powerful that it served as an equalizer. One kid might be rich and another relatively poor, but they were united by their Ivy League status.
There was also a conscious effort by the administration to blend the students socially. For example, all roommates freshman year were assigned by the school. Again, radically different from my friends' state school, where people would room with their friends from high school, and where there was a high-end, privately run dorm that the richer students usually chose. |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 11:38 AM Author: cracking turdskin cruise ship wow. this is very interesting since the stereotype is that ivies, especially HYP, are snobby as hell and non-rich kids are left out.
how did it serve as an equalizer? don't the rich kids who did elite boarding school look down on their HYP classmates who are from TTT public high schools? |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 11:51 AM Author: Rose Ceo Box Office The school served as an equalizer in that it caused the students to think of themselves as having something very significant in common with each other, which superseded many pre-existing distinctions. So, for example, Student A, on financial aid and from a middle class background, walks into the dining hall (at my school, virtually everyone lived on campus all four years, another democratizing factor). Student A sees his buddies Students B and C, both from affluent backgrounds. He knows Student B from a class that they took together, where they got to know each other through their shared interest in the material. He knows Student C from the student publication for which they both write. Student A sits down with Students B and C and have a normal social interaction that is not colored by class issues. They are joined by Student D, another affluent kid, who is Student A's roommate and got to know him from playing intramurals together. Sorry to simplify this so much, but it really was like that.
To answer your second question in a word, no. I saw maybe one or two examples of snobbery based on prep school affiliation in four years. The kids who had gone to the famous boarding schools, some of them financial aid kids there and in undergrad, were very open about their experiences and not cliquish. People behave snobbishly when they are insecure, and magnanimously when they feel the world lies at their feet.
I remember on one outing realizing that I was sitting with the son of a doctor, the daughter of a famous actor, and a kid who had grown up doing manual labor. Everyone was just treating each other like normal people, and I remember thinking how cool that was. |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 12:53 PM Author: Pontificating Chocolate Theater How was Harlem? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25993586) |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 1:44 PM Author: Appetizing mahogany black woman locus People behave snobbishly when they are insecure, and magnanimously when they feel the world lies at their feet.
Nice |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 2:07 PM Author: ocher spot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25994015) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2014 12:47 AM Author: bat-shit-crazy space faggotry flame? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#26257701) |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 11:40 AM Author: ocher spot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25993228) |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 2:20 PM Author: Saffron rehab son of senegal "a 6'4 WASP on HYP's crew/lax/squash/tennis team"
this is at best 1% of the male population at any ivy (even less at HYP), and these guys are just as likely to be very chill and nice as entitled cocksuckers.
it is an insecure ethnic striver fantasy to think that all well off and athletic white guys are cliquish bastards. i'm sure it seems that way looking in from the social margins, but you would be surprised. |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 2:22 PM Author: ocher spot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25994105) |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 2:34 PM Author: Saffron rehab son of senegal what the fuck do you mean exactly? befriend these guys? have common interests, be a person they want to hang out with because you're fun to be around, etc. same way you would befriend anyone.
frankly this is a pretty weird question. your comments and questions have a very doobersein-like tone.
the point was that this small sub-population of tall athletic white guys aren't necessarily all asshole children of plutocrats who see everyone else as a lesser. they also don't form a completely uniform and monolithic social unit. how you approach befriending them is really up to you and the individuals concerned. |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 2:59 PM Author: ocher spot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25994225) |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 11:25 AM Author: Deep pervert some of the poors had to do shitty work study jobs a few times a week, where they basically sat around doing nothing (or their homework). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25993161) |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 11:43 AM Author: Tan splenetic point wrinkle As a poor who had a non-custodial parent making decent money and thus got little financial aid/wasn't given work study, I was mad jelly of those work study bros with their cushy library jobs during which they could do homework, while I worked overnight at the gas station stocking fucking Pepsi and Sunchips and counting 2457 packs of cigarettes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25993241) |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 11:43 AM Author: adventurous plaza please write a novel the millennials will eat | it | up (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25993248) |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 11:50 AM Author: Tan splenetic point wrinkle idk if millenials wanna read about a poor young angsty man drinking his sorrows away, but maybe they do, maybe they do. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25993284) |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 11:51 AM Author: adventurous plaza it's about your unique, bootstraps struggle (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25993288) |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 12:04 PM Author: Tan splenetic point wrinkle Wasn't pretending it was unique, brother. I do feel for bros who get fucked out of financial aid because a parent who doesn't support them makes too much for the kid to get aid, though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25993359) |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 3:00 PM Author: adventurous plaza unique in the eyes of millennials, though
it'd be like glass castle for millennials |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 11:47 AM Author: Pontificating Chocolate Theater I already said this below, but if you come from an Ivy and want a preftigious job out of UG, you can't do work study jobs. You have to do unpaid, and then paid internships, which many poors don't have access to or know about.
Those library kids are probably working 40-50k jobs in marketing, or went to law/med school. |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 2:48 PM Author: Haunting shitlib You don't have to do unpaid internships unless you want to go into "creative" fields, and preftigious paid internships can be found through on-campus recruiting. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25994183) |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 2:54 PM Author: Shivering Cuckoldry You can easily do work study jobs during the school year and good internships in the summer. Even kids that have amazing jobs post UG rarely have great internships during the school year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25994207) |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 9:53 PM Author: Soul-stirring Death Wish Native True. Work study gig if anything tends to be a boost to your grades. I knew at dude at your alma mater who spent every Friday and Saturday night for two years making sure people did not break into some random admin building. He basically was forced to study from 5-to-12. He crushed his first two years. There was no internet connection at his little security desk. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25996275) |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 11:25 AM Author: Unhinged parlor Acute imposter syndrome. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25993163) |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 11:27 AM Author: adventurous plaza when considering colleges I worried about this as a free lunch poor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25993172) |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 11:42 AM Author: Misanthropic glassy deer antler It actually matters more at lower ranked private schools (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25993236) |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 11:45 AM Author: bat-shit-crazy space faggotry CR.
i grew up in socal in a very modest middle-class family and was offered a full-scholarship at USC, so I visited during admit weekend. from my visit and talking to numerous people, it was obvious to me that non-rich kids have a fundamentally different experience from the rich ones. for instance, the rich kids often live off-campus in fancy apartments, drive nice cars, and party literally all over the world during breaks. cabo, miami, ibiza, yacht week in greece and croatia, you name it, they all did it. and socially those kids hung out with each other, were in the same frats/sororities, etc., so i knew that there was no way i would fit in and would feel alienated during my time there. |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 11:49 AM Author: ocher spot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25993278) |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 11:52 AM Author: bat-shit-crazy space faggotry went to HYP instead. got very generous financial aid and also got a bunch of merit scholarships, so my parents pretty much spent nothing. very grateful for the opportunity.
i doubt i could've broken into that specific type of circle. USC is VERY cliquey and snobby along socioeconomic lines, moreso than almost any school i can think of. |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 12:20 PM Author: ocher spot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25993426) |
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Date: August 12th, 2014 2:43 PM Author: sienna aromatic institution clown You don't roll with a crew at HYP. You row. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#26113600) |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 12:55 PM Author: ocher spot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25993604) |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 11:43 AM Author: Pontificating Chocolate Theater Poors generally hung out with other poors and do federal work-study jobs. They also go out less, except to house/frat parties with free drinks.
Many are pre-med (whether they get in/can afford tuition is another story), and the others are usually shithumanities because unless they went to some elite charter/pub school, they get styled on in most STEM classes.
The pipeline to elite finance/consulting jobs takes much fewer of these kids, both because of lower average GPA, and because they have fewer rich friends going through the OCI process. So the few of them that do know how important getting an internship junior summer is don't realize that you need to have been prepping with Vault guides/resume stuffer internships (often unpaid)/"leadership seminars" your entire college career. |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 11:45 AM Author: ocher spot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25993254) |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 11:54 AM Author: Pontificating Chocolate Theater Lol, not Brown. I've been to house parties at most of the Ivies because of a club I was in, and Cornell, Columbia, and Dartmouth, all had open house/frat parties. Dartmouth frats will literally not turn you away unless you have done something that endangers the frat.
OK, here are some others:
-Poor blacks/hispanics/Asians (less so than previous two) hate their rich counterparts, and vice versa. -Class lines are solidified in the first 2 or so months. People will subtly ask things like where you're from, or what your parents do, as barometers of how rich you are. And good luck dating a rich as a poor. -Poor kids are less likely to get into Greek life unless they walk onto a sport (guys) or are bombshell attractive (girls). -Poor kids are less likely to be able to cheat in classes with test banks/study guides because of the lack of aforementioned networks. -Poor kids tend to live in shittier housing, since financial aid often doesn't provide extra money for more expensive digs. -Poor kids are poorly represented in media and student gov organizations, except for the token "Is Financial Aid doing enough to help ARE students?" article that gets printed once a year.
Good enough?
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Date: July 24th, 2014 12:25 PM Author: ocher spot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25993452) |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 12:27 PM Author: wild step-uncle's house potus "What can poor bros do besides graduate virgins?"
Azn girls, breh |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 1:03 PM Author: Pontificating Chocolate Theater "to get ahead (cop Goldman McKinsey YLS Wachtell Microsoft) you have to do X, and sorry that your Andover friend knew this at age 16 but you only learned after you graduated into NOBREAKFAST ITE"
Agreed.
"on the one hand you're not gonna just lie about and say your dad is a managing director when he's actually enjoying EBT. On the other, is it really "oh your dad's a plumber. well it was nice talking to you?" The poor kids literally can't do anything to hang out with rich brehs regularly?"
In many cases, no, but sometimes it's more like, "Hey, my friends and I are going clubbing to x bar, or going to spring break in x South American country. Can't come? Too bad."
Like I said, you can join a club sport or some club that has a lot of riches (club sailing is a thing), but you're inevitably going to feel left out when you have conflicts with your job or can't afford some of the other things your friends just shell out for.
"If you're a poor breh and you see a hot chick walking around in the Princeton Quad or Harvard Yard, you can usually tell her class by what she's wearing or just the kind of chick she seems."
Yeah, that, and major/sorority.
"To date a chick like that, does the bro need to be in overlapping social circles, such that the prole who isn't in them has no chance in hell?"
If she's in a sport or sorority, you'd need to be in a frat or sport, unless you're really attractive or have something else going for you. If she's just rich but doesn't seem to hang out that much with other rich kids, it's much more possible, but enjoy shelling out for dates.
"What can poor bros do besides graduate virgins?"
Hook up with drunk chicks at frat parties, Tinder, date other poors. Class matters more for LTRs and less for one night hookups.
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Date: July 24th, 2014 1:27 PM Author: ocher spot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25993773) |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 2:00 PM Author: Pontificating Chocolate Theater "What are some examples of "X"? You mentioned earlier ITT how you have to do leadership seminars and unpaid internships with John Smith Capital LLC in SLC, UT etc but what are some other things UMC bros do/know but proles don't until it's too late? Doesn't have to be "my son, you have to do X your sophomore summer, Y the next summer etc." I mean more things like traits, manners wherein to conduct oneself, etc."
Yeah, networking with your parents' friends and high school friends (if you went to a prep school) usually helps too.
UMC bros are more industrious, and often see themselves as being the leader/ceo of a company or owning their own private practice as the end goal, instead of doing well being a cog in the machine, like many poor (but intelligent) ivy students. For them, the more pressing matter is paying off loans and supporting their family, not making partner or getting recs for business school.
Here is a good example: if you look at the people who found startups and "small businesses" (you invariably have the ones that try to streamline doing laundry, renting books, finding parking, etc.), they're usually the ones who have Daddy's money to get it off the ground.
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Yeah, when I said frats I included eating and final clubs too. Anything with some preftige that functioned as an exclusive social club.
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IDK about Princeton that much, sorry. But at most other Ivies - maybe not H - even the most elite spaces that throw open parties (so excluding the secret societies) wouldn't turn down a group of poors at the door with a decent guy/girl ratio.
Oh, and speaking of secret societies, a lot of them try to take pseudo-AA admits from the lower classes and non WASP backgrounds now. Lots of rich international students too, so actually diverse. |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 2:04 PM Author: ocher spot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25994001) |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 2:11 PM Author: Pontificating Chocolate Theater I don't really care if I get outted. Probably the most obsessive PN-like megapoasters could piece together what I said to figure out who I am, but I take that as the potential cost that comes with posting on this shitbort as a pumo.
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Date: July 24th, 2014 6:23 PM Author: Sooty police squad princeton eating clubs are the least exclusive of any of these sorts of organizations so i wouldnt be concerned wrt those (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25995243) |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 6:35 PM Author: ocher spot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25995271) |
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Date: July 25th, 2014 1:25 PM Author: Sooty police squad nah i knew a lot of p kids who could get into parties at those clubs even if they werent alpha wasp bros. maybe not if you're an asian engineering major but ljl at the anyways (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25999610) |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 2:15 PM Author: Contagious mischievous dilemma lol, you obviously don't go to dartmouth b/c there is no such phenomenon of a "group of poors" showing up at an "elite space" known as a frat basement. poors didn't roll w/ one another just like rich people didn't roll w/ one another. it was pretty mixed across class lines (though not always racial lines due to self segregation), and 10 years later, there are tons of marriages across class and race lines. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25994056) |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 2:20 PM Author: ocher spot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25994094) |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 2:29 PM Author: harsh lime senate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25994116) |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 2:37 PM Author: Saffron rehab son of senegal dartmouth is pretty much ground zero for goofy looking 5'8" jewish strivers marrying off to asian/indian chicks who let them hit it in college. large percentage of those women come from much more modest backgrounds than the dudes since female asian/indian gunners tend to be the apex of college admissions gamers. this is the racial and class boundary 'crossover' that she's citing as commonplace. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25994144) |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 2:46 PM Author: harsh lime senate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25994174) |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 2:55 PM Author: Contagious mischievous dilemma no, i'm talking about "crossover" along class lines of andover/dalton folks and regular middle class/prole pairings.
there wen't many jews at dartmouth and they generally were involved in hillel and married each other. coming from nyc magnet school, it was one of the first shocking things i saw was how few jews there were.
in general, there just weren't any set patterns for how people from certain backgrounds behaved and you couldn't identify poors from rich people. everybody dressed the same (patagonia fleeces, juicy couture butt pants) and the dorms were all mixed and the (mainstream) frats/sororities wanted a mix of all sorts of people. the only signaling mechanism for popularity was attractiveness. i remember one girl in my class who was a native american mix that everybody wanted a piece of and she was from some prole background in north dakota. |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 3:03 PM Author: ocher spot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25994238) |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 3:21 PM Author: Contagious mischievous dilemma plenty of normal bros who weren't particularly sporty or athletic fit in just fine.
are you like 15? just be friendly and nice and people will talk to you. i dunno. |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 3:24 PM Author: harsh lime senate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25994319) |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 11:11 PM Author: hateful ultramarine jewess candlestick maker (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25996781) |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 3:04 PM Author: harsh lime senate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25994243) |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 3:16 PM Author: Contagious mischievous dilemma are you so angry b/c you felt shunned at dartttmouth? i'm sorry, if so. i hope you one day you find happiness. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25994293) |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 3:26 PM Author: harsh lime senate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25994327) |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 6:33 PM Author: Infuriating indian lodge organic girlfriend Your descriptions of Dartmouth are always way different than everyone else I know who went there. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25995266) |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 11:18 PM Author: harsh lime senate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25996838) |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 2:28 PM Author: harsh lime senate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25994115) |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 2:59 PM Author: Contagious mischievous dilemma my southern stttate school husband chose his school based on supporting their football team. he's never heard of dartmouth until much later in life and makes fun of it. that's why i like him. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25994223) |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 3:04 PM Author: ocher spot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25994245) |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 3:08 PM Author: sick bossy corner sex offender this is painful. stop trying to understand humans. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25994265) |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 3:12 PM Author: harsh lime senate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25994274) |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 3:45 PM Author: doobsian titillating hell cuckold Reading this guy's take on things throughout this thread is honestly starting to make me feel a little aspie. Fuck this bort (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25994438) |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 11:59 AM Author: charismatic zippy parlour dog poop At Columbia at least, the experience of poor/lower middle class was about the same as anyone else (aside from work study) - social groups generally did not revolve around family wealth (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25993331) |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 12:01 PM Author: Pontificating Chocolate Theater Didn't kids go on shopping sprees or clubbing in NYC? Maybe you just felt that way since all the rich kids were off campus. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25993346) |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 12:53 PM Author: charismatic zippy parlour dog poop I knew lots of wealthy kids, and very few went to expensive nightclubs on a regular basis/every weekend (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25993594) |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 12:06 PM Author: Gay Thriller Tanning Salon Yarmulke yeah I would think that Columbia UG would be a terrible place for poors since much of the social life is off campus and involves spending money (at MFH prices) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25993362) |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 12:21 PM Author: low-t trip round eye See: Dartmouth Protesters (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25993434) |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 12:24 PM Author: Gay Thriller Tanning Salon Yarmulke The main thing I remember about this at HYPS (this is now 10+ years ago) is that the poor urban af-ams experienced pretty serious culture shock where probably 80% of the students are upper middle class and more or less are all part of the same culture. The poor urban af-ams to a large extent huddled together in cliques, meaning that to a large extent they nullified whatever diversity benefits their presence was supposed to be bestowing upon the rest of the school. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25993450) |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 12:29 PM Author: ocher spot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25993474) |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 12:33 PM Author: Gay Thriller Tanning Salon Yarmulke In case it wasn't clear, I was not complaining about being deprived - rather I am skeptical that most upper-tier colleges intentionally bring in people of different races and sit back and just presume that some benefit is occurring.
I don't remember the Asians significantly self-segregating. |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 12:41 PM Author: ocher spot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25993536) |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 12:48 PM Author: bat-shit-crazy space faggotry asians at my college were very well-integrated. most preferred asian girls, but there was a decent amount of WGWAG as well. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25993562) |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 12:52 PM Author: ocher spot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25993578) |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 12:54 PM Author: bat-shit-crazy space faggotry nah i was HYP. greek life isn't big in HYP; the Americanized Asian bros did fine socially. XO grossly overstates NOWAG and how socially awkward Asian guys are. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25993602) |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 1:20 PM Author: ocher spot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25993731) |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 1:42 PM Author: Rose Ceo Box Office You seem pretty determined to convince yourself that the Ivies are a super-snobbish environment dominated by disdainful elitists. As I've said, the school tries to blend people socially through living arrangements. The school also funds lots of extra-curricular activities so that students don't have to pay to participate. For example, there was no cost to join the crew team, and there was a program for training inexperienced guys in how to row. Tons of guys, from rich and non-rich backgrounds alike, walked onto the team that way, as crew is obviously not a common high school sport. The University of Michigan crew, on the other hand, charged students something like $1000 to join, because they didn't have the funding to operate otherwise. Anyway, believe what you want about the Ivy League, but what I think few will contest is that the Ivies are dramatically less stratified than flagship state schools and less prestigious private schools. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25993860) |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 1:49 PM Author: bat-shit-crazy space faggotry yeah the pumo above you obviously has an agenda of sorts. not quite sure what to make of it.
contrary to popular opinion, HYP is less snobby and more inclusive than a lot of the lower ranked private schools and even state schools. what i liked about it was that i wasn't judged negatively because of my modest background, ethnicity, or the fact that i was not an athlete. at other schools, stuff like that can play a major role in your social life and how people treat you. if there was judgment, at HYP people are judged on how smart, accomplished, and interesting you were. i recall my senior year a guy in my econ class won the rhodes scholarship. the news broke on a weekend, and when he came into class the next week, the entire class broke into a thunderous standing ovation and hollering as if he were a football QB who just led the team to a national championship. it was surreal and interesting how different it is from most schools. |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 1:56 PM Author: ocher spot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25993955) |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 2:14 PM Author: bat-shit-crazy space faggotry unless you're a current undergrad at HYP why is this relevant to you? why are you asking these questions? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25994050) |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 2:19 PM Author: ocher spot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25994084) |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 2:55 PM Author: sick bossy corner sex offender undergraduate social life and culture will be entirely irrelevant to your grad "ivy experience" DV chinkmo. besides, you have no hope whatsoever of making friends with people of any social class, not because you are poor and asian, but because you are a mentally ill and incredibly creepy man who beats children. as your current and future friendless status attests, people tend to pick up on and dislike your type
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Date: July 24th, 2014 2:58 PM Author: harsh lime senate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25994221) |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 6:27 PM Author: ocher spot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25995250) |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 2:17 PM Author: wild step-uncle's house potus JJC, we know you didn't go to HYP (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25994070) |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 2:27 PM Author: bat-shit-crazy space faggotry i'm not jjc. feel free to believe what you want. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25994114) |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 2:31 PM Author: wild step-uncle's house potus Maybe you just have a similar pumo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25994125) |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 2:32 PM Author: maize ratface orchestra pit It's JJC. HYP = Harvard Yale Penn. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25994126) |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 2:35 PM Author: wild step-uncle's house potus k, thought so (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25994136) |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 2:55 PM Author: harsh lime senate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25994211) |
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Date: July 27th, 2014 9:27 PM Author: Nofapping Glittery Codepig Nursing Home since 70% of the class gets financial aid, that makes no sense
and pls stop adding stanford to UG discussions
HYS makes sense for law school but be fucking real - no one is ranking S on the UG level with HYP |
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Date: August 12th, 2014 1:30 PM Author: Up-to-no-good claret stead this is exactly right (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#26113202) |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 2:34 PM Author: Swollen State not much different. Your class has little to do with your experience per se, it's about your ability to connect with people. And some poor kids suck at finding that "college middle" in terms of social interaction. My bf and I were poor guys of color who figured it out and many years later are still the few of "the poor kids" who rave about our college experience.
above there is some mention of basically not knowing the established path to career success, this is accurate.
ymmv, I graduated A LONG time ago relative to most poasters. |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 2:41 PM Author: Mentally Impaired Aphrodisiac Preventive Strike Because university is at heart an academic experience, the enjoyment of one's time really depends on one's discipline.
I come from a LMC-WC background, and was a humaniifag. My only friends were students from similar socio-economic backgrounds and international students (who represented many disciplines). Everyone else seemed rather friendly, though likely superficially so. I think if I had studied Economics while completing the pre-med curriculum, I would have befriended many chill fratty bros and sporty hoes.
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With respect to not knowing how to play the employment game, Career Services and the internet have equalized class-based information disparities... Granted, I failed to take advantage of the former resource and found myself spilling spaghetti out of my pockets during all of my consulting interviews.
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At the most elite private universities, plenty of academic and social resources are at your disposal; there's funding and awards waiting to be picked up everywhere, but one may not know that they exist at all. |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 2:51 PM Author: harsh lime senate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25994193) |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 2:47 PM Author: sick bossy corner sex offender stfu DV pumo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25994177) |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 3:35 PM Author: blue big-titted degenerate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25994370) |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 2:50 PM Author: Laughsome field I'm poor and went to an ivy and I fit in fine. I had friends from a lot of different backgrounds.
This thread I'd funny though because about a month ago all these people were telling me I must have been an outcast in college because I was poor and black. |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 3:02 PM Author: wild step-uncle's house potus dem titties tho (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25994233) |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 3:47 PM Author: Passionate Canary Haunted Graveyard Coffee Pot fair to say that SEC schools get the snobby bullying RSF type rich kids who clique up and throw their money in your face, and ivies (excluding H, which attracts saudi princes) get the ronan farrow type weird artistic rich kids who cloister their cliques away? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25994450) |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 3:53 PM Author: sick bossy corner sex offender crazy. I heard that rumor about H. attracting Saudi princes also. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25994493) |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 6:10 PM Author: lascivious impertinent office Most of the information on this thread is credited. I had friends of all social classes at my HYPS. Indeed, my Facebook friends list includes two children of one of the wealthiest 50 men in the world (according to Forbes) as well as a black girl who used to ride the train back to rural Mississippi during Christmas because her family couldn't afford a plane ticket. Sure, cliques do exist, but I never felt like there was a clique of rich WASPs who didn't invite others to their parties.
However, the one caveat was that if you weren't wealthy and you tried to date a UMC/legacy girl, you were done. You had no chance whatsoever. I'm a 6'2" white bro in good shape and I am usually told that I'm good looking. I have no problem getting dates with attractive undergraduates at the local university in my current town even in my mid-30's. And while I grew up in ARE country, my family is definitely UMC by ARE country standards. My two parents combined definitely cleared at least $500k per year. But when girls found out that I grew up in ARE country, went to a public high school, and that my dad was a dentist, it was over. I even had trouble getting dates with LMC/poor girls since I was competing with prep school bros who drove fancy cars and flew to Asia during breaks.
So I wouldn't worry about social exclusion at an Ivy if you're not rich. However, if you want a relationship (or just easy pussy) I would suggest that you go to H and try to date Wellesley/BC/BU girls. Otherwise you're going to need some massive game if you want to compete with the richer bros on campus. |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 6:34 PM Author: ocher spot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25995269) |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 7:13 PM Author: lascivious impertinent office First, if you're an aspie pumo who beats toddlers, it's going to be game over regardless of your parents' socioeconomic status. And no, it's not like girls come out and say, "I'm not going to date you because your dad isn't a Wall Street banker." It's just a pattern that you notice after a while: girls showing interest for a while but then they stop returning your phone calls once a guy with a nicer car appears on the scene, friends of mine with similar experiences, etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25995442) |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 8:59 PM Author: Heady school stock car 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25996019) |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 11:19 PM Author: harsh lime senate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25996845) |
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Date: July 25th, 2014 2:01 AM Author: ocher spot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25997728) |
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Date: July 25th, 2014 2:04 AM Author: Heady school stock car LOL this is definitely DVP (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25997744) |
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Date: July 25th, 2014 3:37 AM Author: Mentally Impaired Aphrodisiac Preventive Strike The stench of poverty lingers on you even after you walk out of the ghetto. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25998117) |
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Date: July 25th, 2014 9:44 AM Author: ocher spot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25998643) |
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Date: July 24th, 2014 9:06 PM Author: Provocative toilet seat brethren how did bu/bc girls respond when they found out that you or your bros were at harvard? xo conventional wisdom is that it doesn't matter, and girls don't give a fuck about that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25996047) |
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Date: July 25th, 2014 5:00 PM Author: lascivious impertinent office Well, so far I have only had one girl that offered to fuck me because of my HYPS degree, and that was well after I graduated. But yes, being able to name drop the school helps; I won't lie. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#26000828) |
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Date: July 27th, 2014 6:33 PM Author: bat-shit-crazy space faggotry (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#26011114) |
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Date: July 25th, 2014 12:29 PM Author: Coiffed Purple Resort http://tinyurl.com/johnsmeyer (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#25999267) |
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Date: August 5th, 2014 2:28 PM Author: ocher spot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#26067102) |
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Date: August 12th, 2014 3:15 PM Author: Fighting pit indirect expression what is it like to go to a school filled with crazy strivers who spent hs building the right profile for their college applications? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2626850&forum_id=2#26113839) |