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Does this federal judge give an accurate account of BIGLAW?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BufcBAlyU04&list=UUCl1y2i...
frisky pearl ceo
  08/16/14
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Razzmatazz Dull Spot
  08/17/14
"they make 600,000, 700,000 dollars" wut
hairraiser library pozpig
  02/20/15
cr. wtf??
Marvelous Gas Station Place Of Business
  02/20/15
partners.
Chartreuse yapping double fault
  05/06/15
He definitely poasts.
beady-eyed crawly area sneaky criminal
  08/16/14
...
mind-boggling bbw
  08/16/14
cr. see 3:40.
Marvelous Gas Station Place Of Business
  02/20/15
Hundreds of lawyers billing 2300, 2400, 2500 hours .... I...
vigorous balding boltzmann rehab
  08/16/14
3000? really?
frisky pearl ceo
  08/16/14
50% padding.
beady-eyed crawly area sneaky criminal
  08/16/14
100% no life.
vigorous balding boltzmann rehab
  08/16/14
why did you get partnership-pwn3d if u bill that much
Electric high-end hall
  08/16/14
Punted not pwned
vigorous balding boltzmann rehab
  08/16/14
LJL
cerebral orchestra pit
  01/23/15
If I see 3000, I see poor management by the firm. It's not ...
curious people who are hurt affirmative action
  08/16/14
Nobody is billing 2500. Nobody is billing 2300 except in an ...
Canary Parlour
  08/16/14
Your shitlaw perspectives are not relevant to this topic.
offensive theater stage sweet tailpipe
  08/16/14
1800 you can stick around for three years or so if you do go...
Magenta Misunderstood Abode Digit Ratio
  08/16/14
Dude, this is totally wrong. If you are a 4th or 5th year at...
anal fantasy-prone home
  08/16/14
This is consistent with my experience these last few years
Exciting Violet Mediation
  08/16/14
The average person at a biglaw firm bills something like 170...
Pontificating Unholy Clown Theatre
  08/16/14
Fucking bullshit. No associate is billing 1700 hours in BIGL...
anal fantasy-prone home
  08/16/14
first years routinely bill like 1200
filthy locale mad-dog skullcap
  08/16/14
LOL. You are fucking insane.
anal fantasy-prone home
  08/16/14
??? were u midlaw?
filthy locale mad-dog skullcap
  08/16/14
you're literally stupid, rudolph
adventurous parlor
  02/20/15
Lol
Magenta Misunderstood Abode Digit Ratio
  08/16/14
Poor j shad
charismatic knife
  01/23/15
I pointed out the number is skewed, but it is the number.
Pontificating Unholy Clown Theatre
  08/16/14
If that is the number it is only the number because they are...
anal fantasy-prone home
  08/16/14
Just associates, not partners. And another metric, our b...
Pontificating Unholy Clown Theatre
  08/16/14
Bro, your firm is TTT. Sorry. No legit BIGLAW firm has Assoc...
anal fantasy-prone home
  08/16/14
The finance guy said we were trailing our peers but not by m...
Pontificating Unholy Clown Theatre
  08/16/14
Rudolph never not being (Rudolph) my v10 firm gives us a...
Exciting Violet Mediation
  08/16/14
Real estate has been going off like gangbusters the last yea...
Magenta Misunderstood Abode Digit Ratio
  08/16/14
(DPW associate)
Sienna Geriatric Cuckoldry Institution
  01/19/15
I have billed 2900 in a year. We had two cases go to jury tr...
autistic slippery university shitlib
  08/20/14
Many people are billing 2500
Sienna Geriatric Cuckoldry Institution
  08/22/14
This guy is a bit of a douche. "They look at what the s...
Pontificating Unholy Clown Theatre
  08/16/14
So, what you are saying then is the firm work is fungible?
anal fantasy-prone home
  08/16/14
It's pretty fungible, especially at the lower levels. You're...
Pontificating Unholy Clown Theatre
  08/16/14
Work isn't invariably shit, but there's not a hell of a lot ...
chest-beating whorehouse
  08/22/14
cr. he goes full shitboomer at the end.
Marvelous Gas Station Place Of Business
  02/20/15
titcr. just do don't worry about starting salary but go to l...
hairraiser library pozpig
  02/20/15
...
frisky pearl ceo
  08/21/14
Hours seem off. My firm gave averages in past years, and the...
chest-beating whorehouse
  08/22/14
...
vibrant scourge upon the earth stead
  09/13/14
Half the problem is the meaningless deadlines set by the cou...
Fluffy turquoise keepsake machete
  09/13/14
Lol just meet your filing deadline faggot
magical cracking psychic tanning salon
  09/13/14
This, except don't forget to add the client-driven deadline ...
concupiscible theater
  01/19/15
...
boyish disturbing heaven
  01/19/15
are the Junior Associates xo poasters?
Swashbuckling preventive strike
  01/19/15
TLS
concupiscible theater
  01/22/15
180
Marvelous Gas Station Place Of Business
  02/20/15
180
hairraiser library pozpig
  02/20/15
...
vibrant scourge upon the earth stead
  10/04/14
180 thread
Swashbuckling preventive strike
  01/18/15
MENTAL. ILLNESS.
painfully honest avocado church halford
  01/19/15
And that's just the minimum!
Swashbuckling preventive strike
  01/19/15
...
dun french trailer park
  02/20/15
is this the same production company as the k&e on balanc...
Marvelous Gas Station Place Of Business
  02/20/15
cr this music is awful
hairraiser library pozpig
  02/20/15
...
heady private investor
  02/27/15
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vibrant scourge upon the earth stead
  05/06/15


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Date: August 16th, 2014 1:00 PM
Author: frisky pearl ceo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BufcBAlyU04&list=UUCl1y2iHTY34Zlmgw89l_yQ

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2646988&forum_id=2#26140446)



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Date: August 17th, 2014 8:34 AM
Author: Razzmatazz Dull Spot



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2646988&forum_id=2#26145759)



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Date: February 20th, 2015 5:09 AM
Author: hairraiser library pozpig

"they make 600,000, 700,000 dollars"

wut

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2646988&forum_id=2#27354727)



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Date: February 20th, 2015 5:11 AM
Author: Marvelous Gas Station Place Of Business

cr. wtf??

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2646988&forum_id=2#27354729)



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Date: May 6th, 2015 11:14 PM
Author: Chartreuse yapping double fault

partners.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2646988&forum_id=2#27837857)



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Date: August 16th, 2014 1:16 PM
Author: beady-eyed crawly area sneaky criminal

He definitely poasts.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2646988&forum_id=2#26140497)



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Date: August 16th, 2014 1:23 PM
Author: mind-boggling bbw



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2646988&forum_id=2#26140510)



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Date: February 20th, 2015 5:14 AM
Author: Marvelous Gas Station Place Of Business

cr. see 3:40.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2646988&forum_id=2#27354737)



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Date: August 16th, 2014 1:23 PM
Author: vigorous balding boltzmann rehab

Hundreds of lawyers billing 2300, 2400, 2500 hours ....

It nearly killed me the year I billed 2000. Now that is a floor, what once was seen as mental illness is now a floor.

LOL

Try 3000 boomer scum.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2646988&forum_id=2#26140512)



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Date: August 16th, 2014 1:28 PM
Author: frisky pearl ceo

3000? really?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2646988&forum_id=2#26140524)



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Date: August 16th, 2014 1:58 PM
Author: beady-eyed crawly area sneaky criminal

50% padding.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2646988&forum_id=2#26140594)



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Date: August 16th, 2014 2:02 PM
Author: vigorous balding boltzmann rehab

100% no life.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2646988&forum_id=2#26140604)



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Date: August 16th, 2014 2:15 PM
Author: Electric high-end hall

why did you get partnership-pwn3d if u bill that much

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2646988&forum_id=2#26140659)



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Date: August 16th, 2014 3:01 PM
Author: vigorous balding boltzmann rehab

Punted not pwned

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2646988&forum_id=2#26140920)



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Date: January 23rd, 2015 12:11 AM
Author: cerebral orchestra pit

LJL

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2646988&forum_id=2#27169021)



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Date: August 16th, 2014 3:05 PM
Author: curious people who are hurt affirmative action

If I see 3000, I see poor management by the firm. It's not worth the negative collateral risks, especially if the attorney is actually valuable to the practice, but even if they're just churning and burning some junior.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2646988&forum_id=2#26140935)



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Date: August 16th, 2014 2:08 PM
Author: Canary Parlour

Nobody is billing 2500. Nobody is billing 2300 except in an outlier year or two and if you are you aint going to still be practicing in 5 years -- that's for sure. If you are over 2000 you are good. Plenty of firms if you are over 1800-1850 you are golden.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2646988&forum_id=2#26140626)



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Date: August 16th, 2014 2:54 PM
Author: offensive theater stage sweet tailpipe

Your shitlaw perspectives are not relevant to this topic.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2646988&forum_id=2#26140891)



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Date: August 16th, 2014 3:09 PM
Author: Magenta Misunderstood Abode Digit Ratio

1800 you can stick around for three years or so if you do good work and people like you which is all most people want. But people won't take your long term success at the firm seriously

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2646988&forum_id=2#26140949)



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Date: August 16th, 2014 3:10 PM
Author: anal fantasy-prone home

Dude, this is totally wrong. If you are a 4th or 5th year at a good/great firm in Philly (not NYC which is much worse), 2000 is the absolute minimu not to get fired (with no hours bonus) and most good associates are north of 2200.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2646988&forum_id=2#26140958)



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Date: August 16th, 2014 3:12 PM
Author: Exciting Violet Mediation

This is consistent with my experience these last few years

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2646988&forum_id=2#26140969)



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Date: August 16th, 2014 3:12 PM
Author: Pontificating Unholy Clown Theatre

The average person at a biglaw firm bills something like 1700 hours. But consider this is skewed by the great number of people coming/going.

That said, there are a ton of lawyers who bill 2200+ hours, which is a shitton. What I haven't been able to figure out is how much of this is their choice.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2646988&forum_id=2#26140971)



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Date: August 16th, 2014 3:14 PM
Author: anal fantasy-prone home

Fucking bullshit. No associate is billing 1700 hours in BIGLAW. That is a fucking joke.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2646988&forum_id=2#26140976)



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Date: August 16th, 2014 3:14 PM
Author: filthy locale mad-dog skullcap

first years routinely bill like 1200

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2646988&forum_id=2#26140979)



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Date: August 16th, 2014 3:15 PM
Author: anal fantasy-prone home

LOL. You are fucking insane.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2646988&forum_id=2#26140986)



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Date: August 16th, 2014 3:23 PM
Author: filthy locale mad-dog skullcap

??? were u midlaw?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2646988&forum_id=2#26141046)



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Date: February 20th, 2015 6:36 AM
Author: adventurous parlor

you're literally stupid, rudolph

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2646988&forum_id=2#27354806)



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Date: August 16th, 2014 3:19 PM
Author: Magenta Misunderstood Abode Digit Ratio

Lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2646988&forum_id=2#26141019)



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Date: January 23rd, 2015 12:02 AM
Author: charismatic knife

Poor j shad

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2646988&forum_id=2#27168958)



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Date: August 16th, 2014 3:16 PM
Author: Pontificating Unholy Clown Theatre

I pointed out the number is skewed, but it is the number.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2646988&forum_id=2#26140992)



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Date: August 16th, 2014 3:17 PM
Author: anal fantasy-prone home

If that is the number it is only the number because they are counting in maternity leave and old as fuck cruiser partners as if they are actual attorneys. If the number is anything other than associates' hours for the entire year, it is a meaningless number. No associates bill 1700 in BIGLAW brother.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2646988&forum_id=2#26141010)



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Date: August 16th, 2014 3:20 PM
Author: Pontificating Unholy Clown Theatre

Just associates, not partners.

And another metric, our bonus is something like 1900-2000 hours. Roughly 1/3 of associates make that. Again, part of that is because people are coming and going, but just trying to point out facts as opposed to the bullshit you are spouting.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2646988&forum_id=2#26141025)



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Date: August 16th, 2014 3:23 PM
Author: anal fantasy-prone home

Bro, your firm is TTT. Sorry. No legit BIGLAW firm has Associates averaging 1700. saytpf.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2646988&forum_id=2#26141042)



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Date: August 16th, 2014 3:26 PM
Author: Pontificating Unholy Clown Theatre

The finance guy said we were trailing our peers but not by much.

But yeah, it sounds like you're the problem with big law. When you hear that a firm's associates are averaging around 50 hours a week in the office, you scoff and dismiss it as a shitty firm.

What the fuck is wrong with you? Go live your life.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2646988&forum_id=2#26141061)



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Date: August 16th, 2014 3:26 PM
Author: Exciting Violet Mediation

Rudolph never not being (Rudolph)

my v10 firm gives us average associate hours every year, and it is fucking low as shit (well south of 1800, so south that the managing partner admonished us all a few years ago that we need to consider 1600 hours a year as the MINIMUM), and so low that it can't just be maternity leave and turnover. That's not saying everyone is billing south of 1600 hours, but enough are to drive all the 2200-3000 hour associates averages way down. Much of that is slow practice groups over the past few years (I'm looking at you real estate), but also much of it is people doing just enough to not get fired, and at 2000 hours a year (at my firm in my group at least) you are comfortably in the not-being fired range (note, 2000 hours still means you need to be available at night/weekends when shit comes up). In fact, whenever I start billing 70-80 hour weeks, I have partners telling me to tone it down so I don't burn out on them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2646988&forum_id=2#26141060)



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Date: August 16th, 2014 3:29 PM
Author: Magenta Misunderstood Abode Digit Ratio

Real estate has been going off like gangbusters the last year and a half. Saytpf.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2646988&forum_id=2#26141076)



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Date: January 19th, 2015 4:05 AM
Author: Sienna Geriatric Cuckoldry Institution

(DPW associate)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2646988&forum_id=2#27144460)



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Date: August 20th, 2014 12:53 PM
Author: autistic slippery university shitlib

I have billed 2900 in a year. We had two cases go to jury trial.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2646988&forum_id=2#26169269)



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Date: August 22nd, 2014 10:42 PM
Author: Sienna Geriatric Cuckoldry Institution

Many people are billing 2500

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2646988&forum_id=2#26186947)



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Date: August 16th, 2014 3:10 PM
Author: Pontificating Unholy Clown Theatre

This guy is a bit of a douche. "They look at what the starting salary is rather than the mentoring programs or the work"

The work is shit and mentoring programs don't matter. I've seen movies from the 80's - surprise! People cared about money then too.

If firms started offering federal judge perks - great hours, tenure, and pensions, maybe we'd care about more than getting cash for our labor.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2646988&forum_id=2#26140957)



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Date: August 16th, 2014 3:11 PM
Author: anal fantasy-prone home

So, what you are saying then is the firm work is fungible?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2646988&forum_id=2#26140962)



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Date: August 16th, 2014 3:14 PM
Author: Pontificating Unholy Clown Theatre

It's pretty fungible, especially at the lower levels. You're not going to be more satisfied working on a case for a fortune 100 company than you are a fortune 500 company. Look at salary and hours, not rankings.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2646988&forum_id=2#26140978)



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Date: August 22nd, 2014 10:39 PM
Author: chest-beating whorehouse

Work isn't invariably shit, but there's not a hell of a lot to go on as a law student, and really doubt you can select for "mentoring" except to the extent that you are able to weed out firms with clearly terrible partners.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2646988&forum_id=2#26186916)



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Date: February 20th, 2015 5:15 AM
Author: Marvelous Gas Station Place Of Business

cr. he goes full shitboomer at the end.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2646988&forum_id=2#27354739)



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Date: February 20th, 2015 5:16 AM
Author: hairraiser library pozpig

titcr. just do don't worry about starting salary but go to law school that costs $275K

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2646988&forum_id=2#27354741)



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Date: August 21st, 2014 10:22 PM
Author: frisky pearl ceo



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2646988&forum_id=2#26180090)



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Date: August 22nd, 2014 10:28 PM
Author: chest-beating whorehouse

Hours seem off. My firm gave averages in past years, and they were well below 2000 in every group. One of the more recent partners in my group is also on record saying he has never billed 2000 hours. I've always been in the 1900 range myself and the only feedback I've received on hours is to try to keep things in balance and "have a life."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2646988&forum_id=2#26186845)



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Date: September 13th, 2014 5:39 PM
Author: vibrant scourge upon the earth stead



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2646988&forum_id=2#26322707)



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Date: September 13th, 2014 5:58 PM
Author: Fluffy turquoise keepsake machete

Half the problem is the meaningless deadlines set by the courts, which result in even more meaningless internal deadlines set by partners and senior associates...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2646988&forum_id=2#26322846)



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Date: September 13th, 2014 6:20 PM
Author: magical cracking psychic tanning salon

Lol just meet your filing deadline faggot

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2646988&forum_id=2#26322951)



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Date: January 19th, 2015 1:20 AM
Author: concupiscible theater

This, except don't forget to add the client-driven deadline in the middle of those two things. Goes like this:

Court thinks: One week is plenty of time to write up a response to my sua sponte idea for why judgment should not be entered for the plaintiff! After all, this is a Biglaw firm for a F500 client and I'm only giving them 5 pages anyway.

Client thinks: Crap! The judge is thinking about ruling against us!!! That would be a total disaster not just for this case, but all the copycat cases sure to follow. I need to make sure Biglaw firm doesn't fuck this up. *Tells Top-level Parter partner to get him a draft of the response in 48 hours*

Top-level Partner thinks: Holy shit, this is one of our firm's most important client and if we fuck this up, we risk ruining our relationship with them. I better make sure Junior Partner has this covered. *Tells Junior Partner to get him a draft in the next 24 hours (i.e., high noon the following day)*

Junior Partner thinks: Fuck. I don't even know what the judge was talking about at the hearing, and I've got three other briefs going out today. Will have to look at this first thing tomorrow morning. *Tells Senior Associate to have him a draft first thing tomorrow morning.*

Senior Associate thinks: If I do good job on this, I can make PARTNER here! I can do this! Everyone will think I'm a GENIUS!!! Now, how much of this can I dump on the junior associates? *Tells Junior Associates to get him their respective assignments in 3 hours -- but asks so many follow-up questions that they all end up pulling all nighters.*

Junior Associates think: Fuck.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2646988&forum_id=2#27143733)



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Date: January 19th, 2015 1:22 AM
Author: boyish disturbing heaven



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2646988&forum_id=2#27143743)



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Date: January 19th, 2015 4:19 AM
Author: Swashbuckling preventive strike

are the Junior Associates xo poasters?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2646988&forum_id=2#27144486)



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Date: January 22nd, 2015 11:51 PM
Author: concupiscible theater

TLS

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2646988&forum_id=2#27168888)



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Date: February 20th, 2015 5:01 AM
Author: Marvelous Gas Station Place Of Business

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2646988&forum_id=2#27354716)



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Date: February 20th, 2015 5:08 AM
Author: hairraiser library pozpig

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2646988&forum_id=2#27354725)



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Date: October 4th, 2014 1:40 PM
Author: vibrant scourge upon the earth stead



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2646988&forum_id=2#26455262)



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Date: January 18th, 2015 8:48 PM
Author: Swashbuckling preventive strike

180 thread

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2646988&forum_id=2#27141627)



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Date: January 19th, 2015 1:45 AM
Author: painfully honest avocado church halford

MENTAL. ILLNESS.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2646988&forum_id=2#27143903)



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Date: January 19th, 2015 1:54 AM
Author: Swashbuckling preventive strike

And that's just the minimum!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2646988&forum_id=2#27143968)



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Date: February 20th, 2015 4:27 AM
Author: dun french trailer park



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2646988&forum_id=2#27354686)



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Date: February 20th, 2015 5:12 AM
Author: Marvelous Gas Station Place Of Business

is this the same production company as the k&e on balance vid? same soppy music.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2646988&forum_id=2#27354731)



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Date: February 20th, 2015 5:12 AM
Author: hairraiser library pozpig

cr this music is awful

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2646988&forum_id=2#27354732)



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Date: February 27th, 2015 1:22 PM
Author: heady private investor



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Date: May 6th, 2015 11:02 PM
Author: vibrant scourge upon the earth stead



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