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Huge beatdown of Walmart shoplifter in parking lot
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Date: September 2nd, 2014 1:23 PM Author: Shaky native http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d87_1409517441
I have some questions about this video:
1) Are the rent-a-cops allowed to try and physically restrain the thief? 2) Are they allowed to then brutalize him? 3) Is the thief saying he was defending himself with the knife a good legal defense? |
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Date: September 2nd, 2014 7:02 PM Author: exciting shivering keepsake machete philosopher-king No. Walmart could get sued.
Loss prevention can really expose you to civil liability. |
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Date: September 3rd, 2014 10:07 AM Author: Shaky native That's what I thought. I figure these two and Walmart are in a world of hurt, and I'll bet skinny guy doesn't get charged with the stabbing, either. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663531&forum_id=2#26258844) |
Date: September 2nd, 2014 1:31 PM Author: Shaky native (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663531&forum_id=2#26253335) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2014 1:31 PM Author: Bistre electric karate Look at those proles endangering themselves in an attempt to save a couple bucks for billionaires. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663531&forum_id=2#26253336) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2014 1:32 PM Author: Shaky native Aren't they in deep legal shit now? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663531&forum_id=2#26253346) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2014 1:35 PM Author: Impertinent balding abode preventive strike not at all. guy with knife is fucked, coudl be charged with attempted murder (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663531&forum_id=2#26253376) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2014 1:37 PM Author: Shaky native When the video starts you see two large men physically assaulting a skinny guy. He then attempts to defend himself with a knife. Isn't that legal? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663531&forum_id=2#26253383) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2014 1:37 PM Author: Impertinent balding abode preventive strike they were executing a lawful citizen's arrest. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663531&forum_id=2#26253388) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2014 1:38 PM Author: Shaky native LOL there's no such thing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663531&forum_id=2#26253398) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2014 1:56 PM Author: Impertinent balding abode preventive strike Canada's blanket arrest authorities for crimes or violations of federal statutes are found in the Criminal Code. In Canada, a criminal offence is any offence that is created by a federal statute—there are no provincial "crimes".
Criminal offences are divided into three groups: Indictable, Dual Procedure, and Summary Conviction. For the purposes of arrest, dual procedure offences are considered to be indictable.
The Criminal Code provisions related to citizen arrests were changed in 2012, by the Citizen’s Arrest and Self-defence Act.[12] As a consequence, it is now possible to make a citizen's arrest in Canada in circumstances where a "reasonable" amount of time has lapsed between the commission of a property-related offence and the arrest.[13]
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Date: September 2nd, 2014 3:41 PM Author: swollen insecure locale friendly grandma except you know--in most jurisdictions (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663531&forum_id=2#26254204) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2014 9:01 PM Author: maroon clown o rly? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663531&forum_id=2#26256038) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2014 1:40 PM Author: Bistre electric karate (expert in Canadian citizen's arrest law) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663531&forum_id=2#26253409) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2014 11:20 AM Author: autistic histrionic center That's absolutely not the case. Jesus you'd think this wasn't a readily available topic on the internet (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663531&forum_id=2#26259117) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2014 1:38 PM Author: Bistre electric karate I don't know what the shopkeepers and citizen arrest laws are like for them.
But I don't think the part where the red dude bashes the guy in the face when he's already pinned down looks too good. |
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Date: September 2nd, 2014 1:39 PM Author: Shaky native How about the elbows to the face from the dark shirt before the knife gets pulled? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663531&forum_id=2#26253405) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2014 1:42 PM Author: fear-inspiring masturbator gay wizard i think typical corporate "loss prevention" policies are that their loss prevention agents are allowed to attempt to prevent a shoplifter from leaving by obstructing their exit, but aren't allowed to physically engage until the shoplifter initiates contact. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663531&forum_id=2#26253423) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2014 1:46 PM Author: Impertinent balding abode preventive strike safeway gives their security guard's handcuffs.
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Date: September 2nd, 2014 7:40 PM Author: Bistre electric karate We've got a DiGiorno's on the run out the south exit. Repeat: DiGiorno's on on the run. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663531&forum_id=2#26255446) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2014 7:03 PM Author: exciting shivering keepsake machete philosopher-king Exactly. It's just not worth getting sued over (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663531&forum_id=2#26255333) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2014 1:45 PM Author: Scarlet Spectacular Faggot Firefighter the guy was biting him right before that, hence the "don't fucking bite me piece of shit" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663531&forum_id=2#26253442) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2014 7:12 PM Author: thriller sienna hunting ground set you mean where the asshole was biting him. perfectly justified. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663531&forum_id=2#26255372) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2014 1:47 PM Author: fear-inspiring masturbator gay wizard a generation ago, these guys would be having a beer together after their shift at the steel mill. today, they're nearly killing each other over some chinese-made electronics. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663531&forum_id=2#26253461) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2014 1:38 PM Author: Scarlet Spectacular Faggot Firefighter How can people in 2014 STILL not know how to hold a camera phone the right way? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663531&forum_id=2#26253396) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2014 1:38 PM Author: Bistre electric karate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663531&forum_id=2#26253400) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2014 1:39 PM Author: Shaky native WORLD STAR!!!!!!!11!!1 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663531&forum_id=2#26253402) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2014 1:39 PM Author: Insanely creepy fortuitous meteor shouldnt shitlawyers be swarming all over this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663531&forum_id=2#26253403) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2014 1:40 PM Author: Shaky native I haven't posted here in months and figured there'd be some good legal analysis for this vid so I logged in. So far I've been disappoint. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663531&forum_id=2#26253410) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2014 1:45 PM Author: adventurous pearl temple pozpig somebody give this guy some analysis! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663531&forum_id=2#26253445) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2014 1:47 PM Author: Shaky native Is it true a lawyer once posted here? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663531&forum_id=2#26253458) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2014 2:09 PM Author: adventurous pearl temple pozpig yes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663531&forum_id=2#26253594) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2014 4:35 PM Author: Exhilarant avocado idea he suggested base Lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663531&forum_id=2#26254508) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2014 1:39 PM Author: stimulating regret What's the point in restraining him in the parking lot? You have his face and license plate number.
Just let the police apprehend him at his house or while he's driving somewhere. |
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Date: September 2nd, 2014 1:41 PM Author: shimmering elite dysfunction cot damn, that kid was dropped face first into the pavement - can't say he didn't deserve it though (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663531&forum_id=2#26253418) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2014 1:43 PM Author: fear-inspiring masturbator gay wizard because two meatheads have adopted preserving walmart's profit margins as their personal crusade? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663531&forum_id=2#26253431) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2014 1:46 PM Author: shimmering elite dysfunction they worked for walmart loss prevention (at least according to the dude yelling, walmart loss prevention) they were just doing their job (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663531&forum_id=2#26253451) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2014 1:47 PM Author: stimulating regret their job is to catch people in the act and report it to the police, not be the fucking police (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663531&forum_id=2#26253463) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2014 1:48 PM Author: shimmering elite dysfunction link to walmart loss prevention policies and procedures (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663531&forum_id=2#26253471) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2014 1:55 PM Author: fear-inspiring masturbator gay wizard I'm guessing that "use all physical force necessary to subdue a shoplifter, including but not limited to cracking their fucking skulls on the pavement" and "you must be willing to be stabbed to prevent shoplifting" aren't in the employee manual.
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Date: September 2nd, 2014 2:22 PM Author: shimmering elite dysfunction cracking skull on pavement wasn't to subdue a shoplifter, but an attempted murderer at that point (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663531&forum_id=2#26253686) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2014 2:25 PM Author: fear-inspiring masturbator gay wizard that was hyperbole, but you know damn well that walmart or any other corporate chain does not want any shoplifting incident to escalate to the level of physical violence in the video, including the events before their employee was stabbed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663531&forum_id=2#26253703) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2014 1:58 PM Author: fear-inspiring masturbator gay wizard i know they work for walmart, but "just doing their job" doesn't justify trying to beat a shoplifter into submission. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663531&forum_id=2#26253533) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2014 7:16 PM Author: thriller sienna hunting ground set (actual retard) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663531&forum_id=2#26255388) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2014 7:16 PM Author: thriller sienna hunting ground set i can't believe ppl like you exist. that piece of shit stabbed the guy. I hope his fucking face is shattered. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663531&forum_id=2#26255385) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2014 10:09 PM Author: fear-inspiring masturbator gay wizard I wonder, what was your position on the Zimmerman/Martin thing? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663531&forum_id=2#26256512) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2014 1:43 PM Author: Scarlet Spectacular Faggot Firefighter *Sam Walton watching video with feet on desk whilst smoking a $1,000 Gurkha*
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Date: September 2nd, 2014 7:34 PM Author: Flesh orchestra pit yarmulke (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663531&forum_id=2#26255433) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2014 1:49 PM Author: Shaky native I didn't realize you could use force to stop someone in the commission of a misdemeanor. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663531&forum_id=2#26253474) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2014 1:52 PM Author: shimmering elite dysfunction I believe most states allow reasonable force - their use of force seemed reasonable up until the dude starting stabbing them with a knife/box cutter - at which point they're acting in self defense (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663531&forum_id=2#26253497) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2014 1:56 PM Author: Shaky native What is "reasonable force" against someone who took less than $20 of merchandise? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663531&forum_id=2#26253518) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2014 1:58 PM Author: Impertinent balding abode preventive strike tackling/wrestling (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663531&forum_id=2#26253530) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2014 2:01 PM Author: Shaky native lol no, but seriously (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663531&forum_id=2#26253554) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2014 2:04 PM Author: Impertinent balding abode preventive strike what's your problem man? I answered your question. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663531&forum_id=2#26253570) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2014 2:00 PM Author: fear-inspiring masturbator gay wizard black shirt caught him in the face with a right cross before he pulled out the box cutter. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663531&forum_id=2#26253545) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2014 2:18 PM Author: Bistre electric karate I think the majority rule is that only misdemeanors that are breaches of the peace can serve as the basis for a citizen's arrest.
I don't think shoplifting is a breach of the peace. But there's common law regarding recapturing chattels and statutory stuff about shopkeeper's privileges that I don't know much about. |
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Date: September 2nd, 2014 1:54 PM Author: Bistre electric karate Subject: Restatement (Second) of Torts § 119 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663531&forum_id=2#26253507) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2014 1:55 PM Author: Bistre electric karate Subject: Restatement (Second) of Torts § 118 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663531&forum_id=2#26253517) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2014 1:57 PM Author: Shaky native I'm not sure the skinny guy committed a felony (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663531&forum_id=2#26253528) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2014 1:56 PM Author: big emerald point mother HE A GOOD KEED (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663531&forum_id=2#26253524) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2014 1:57 PM Author: Bistre electric karate Subject: Restatement (Second) of Torts § 120 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663531&forum_id=2#26253526) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2014 1:58 PM Author: Bistre electric karate Subject: Restatement (Second) of Torts § 120A (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663531&forum_id=2#26253536) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2014 2:06 PM Author: fear-inspiring masturbator gay wizard that's the key here: force that will cause serious bodily harm is not privileged for purpose of detention, only becomes privileged "where the resistance of the other makes it necessary for the actor to use such force in self-defense." from the vid, it looks like the guy in the black shirt punches the shoplifter in order to subdue him/detain him, not in self defense. guy would have a pretty good case if he hadn't pulled out the box cutter. |
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Date: September 2nd, 2014 2:31 PM Author: Shaky native Does pulling out the boxcutter AFTER that punch change that punch? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663531&forum_id=2#26253749) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2014 9:16 PM Author: maroon clown It changes the IRL opinion of defbro. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663531&forum_id=2#26256187) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2014 2:00 PM Author: Bistre electric karate Subject: Restatement (Second) of Torts § 127 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663531&forum_id=2#26253542) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2014 2:01 PM Author: Bistre electric karate Subject: Restatement (Second) of Torts § 128 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663531&forum_id=2#26253552) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2014 2:04 PM Author: Bistre electric karate Subject: Restatement (Second) of Torts § 131 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663531&forum_id=2#26253571) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2014 2:05 PM Author: Bistre electric karate Subject: Restatement (Second) of Torts § 132 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663531&forum_id=2#26253576) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2014 2:07 PM Author: Bistre electric karate Subject: Restatement (Second) of Torts § 133 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663531&forum_id=2#26253581) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2014 2:07 PM Author: adventurous pearl temple pozpig why is there so much restatement posting (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663531&forum_id=2#26253584) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2014 2:10 PM Author: Bistre electric karate You STFU. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663531&forum_id=2#26253602) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2014 2:10 PM Author: adventurous pearl temple pozpig wtf answer me (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663531&forum_id=2#26253605) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2014 3:20 PM Author: Spruce university http://t-mod-should-i.htmwww.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2377005&mc=13&forum_id=2&PHPSESSID=be33d082865899de84058c34eb8ffa06#24160306
This post from a classic thread from last year seems relevant to this discussion. I wonder what ever happened to the bro who was responsible for that thread. I'm still bummed that I never got to hear about "prole chick heaven." |
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Date: September 2nd, 2014 11:35 PM Author: Stirring depressive i'm still here. another bro actually bumped that thread and we emailed about it today. i'll write about prole chick heaven soon enough. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663531&forum_id=2#26257142) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2014 3:28 PM Author: mildly autistic state This will end in a lawsuit, and it should. LOL at American just going ape shit insane, becoming a stupid police state where even $8 an hour rent a cop Wal-Mart faggots are acting like Robocop (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663531&forum_id=2#26254124) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2014 3:43 PM Author: crawly new version rehab there's a lot of aimless rage out there. if people can beat up on a "bad guy," they'll do it gladly. it's not directly about walmart or anything else; it's just an outlet. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663531&forum_id=2#26254219) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2014 3:44 PM Author: big emerald point mother This is canada you turd (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663531&forum_id=2#26254225) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2014 7:09 PM Author: exciting shivering keepsake machete philosopher-king Yes. This is why most retailers end the chase at their front door (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663531&forum_id=2#26255352) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2014 7:24 PM Author: thriller sienna hunting ground set not America dumbfuck (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663531&forum_id=2#26255405) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2014 8:08 PM Author: flickering slate market LOL you fucking pussy faggot. Get the fuck out of here with your revisionist history bullshit that America used to be a shitlib paradise. Until very recently, business owners could straight fuck shoplifters up without the slightest concern of civil or criminal liability. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663531&forum_id=2#26255590) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2014 9:02 PM Author: maroon clown business owners could straight fuck shoplifters (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663531&forum_id=2#26256049) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2014 11:23 AM Author: flickering slate market Yup. If you tried to gank somethign form the 5 and dime, you could expect to find yourself in this situation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ns1fn4Dw-7g
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Date: September 2nd, 2014 7:11 PM Author: Talented Place Of Business Indian Lodge The "loss preventation" duo are like Lahey and Randy with their fake cop lingo. "Knife is secure. Knife is Secure. We've got a 10-15." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663531&forum_id=2#26255362) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2014 7:37 PM Author: Bistre electric karate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663531&forum_id=2#26255440) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2014 7:15 PM Author: pale house-broken resort roommate ROFL @ these Zimmerman wannabes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663531&forum_id=2#26255384) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2014 8:20 PM Author: Irradiated mentally impaired casino deer antler "LOSS PREVENTION, LOSS PREVENTION" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663531&forum_id=2#26255692) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2014 8:48 PM Author: Impertinent balding abode preventive strike dude appears to have handcuffs on his belt. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663531&forum_id=2#26255937) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2014 12:43 PM Author: glittery windowlicker Wait has anyone actually confirmed these were Walmart employees not just some third party security company? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663531&forum_id=2#26259478) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2014 12:45 PM Author: autistic histrionic center I'd still sue WM (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663531&forum_id=2#26259490) |