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How do I get better grades than classmates 1L

Any and all advice welcome
Startled Appetizing Area Toaster
  09/11/14
I work at a top 5 worldwide firm. Here's some advice. It's n...
Disgusting beady-eyed giraffe den
  09/12/14
are u t14?
Flushed Principal's Office Juggernaut
  09/11/14
Yes
Startled Appetizing Area Toaster
  09/11/14
if u didn't crack 173, no point in trying: u're fucked. best...
Flushed Principal's Office Juggernaut
  09/11/14
H or P school. No ranking.
Startled Appetizing Area Toaster
  09/11/14
ug classes are flame. lsat score determines how well u'll do...
Flushed Principal's Office Juggernaut
  09/11/14
Sorry for being unclear. I go to a LAW school that award...
Startled Appetizing Area Toaster
  09/11/14
why do u care about how to get better grades than ur peer? i...
Flushed Principal's Office Juggernaut
  09/11/14
You're wrong and each of your comments is off base. I kn...
Startled Appetizing Area Toaster
  09/11/14
so you either scored a 176, 177, 178, 179, or 180? my com...
Flushed Principal's Office Juggernaut
  09/11/14
Correct. Now assume I go to a law school where the Media...
Startled Appetizing Area Toaster
  09/11/14
There are plenty of people who GRIND their way out of the mi...
maniacal fat ankles
  09/11/14
TYTY
Startled Appetizing Area Toaster
  09/11/14
Simple if one possesses the required cognitive horsepower to...
Flushed Principal's Office Juggernaut
  09/11/14
explain low lsat transfers who end up in top of class at tra...
Violent confused shrine
  09/11/14
link
Flushed Principal's Office Juggernaut
  09/11/14
What is cold outlining?
Lemon dysfunction center
  09/11/14
gotta factor in the std. dev. bro; a 167 and a 166 could be ...
maniacal fat ankles
  09/11/14
thank you
Startled Appetizing Area Toaster
  09/11/14
is this really the xo consensus? i fucking hope this is true
Carnelian cerebral hall
  09/11/14
The Grinder's Way: Read the following two Delaney books: ...
Adventurous nibblets point
  09/11/14
"One thing you should get is that law school exams are ...
Curious property
  09/11/14
"Do tons of practice exams, noting areas where you are ...
spectacular institution
  09/11/14
Honestly, this is legit CR advice.
khaki laughsome field cuckold
  09/11/14
win with leews
boyish turquoise brunch circlehead
  09/11/14
Kill them all
multi-colored infuriating hunting ground
  09/11/14
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/georgia-law-school-gra...
spectacular institution
  09/11/14
Thanks very much for the advice guys
Startled Appetizing Area Toaster
  09/11/14
http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1936907&foru...
Smoky massive indian lodge place of business
  09/11/14
If you can't honestly do the heavy grinding (yet cr and reas...
nubile flatulent station
  09/11/14
If you can't type fast, learn how asap. Like start doing an...
soul-stirring doobsian pervert
  09/11/14


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Date: September 11th, 2014 4:46 AM
Author: Startled Appetizing Area Toaster

Any and all advice welcome

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2671450&forum_id=2#26306875)



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Date: September 12th, 2014 6:56 AM
Author: Disgusting beady-eyed giraffe den

I work at a top 5 worldwide firm. Here's some advice. It's not comprehensive, and is not exclusive as to other advice.

1. When you don't understand something, ie the logical ordering of a specific sentence or concept of law, read 1-3 more books on the same subject. That will help iron down the correct logical ordering.

2. When dealing with caselaw based classes, eg civ pro and torts, create flow charts for each issue. When answering questions on the exam which bring to point those issues, follow the flow chart.

3. Do practice exams and cross ref the sample answers. If you were a baseball player, would you practice swinging a bat or reading about swinging a bat? Only one determines your payout.

4. Understand that studying 16hour days is normal in some parts of the world for 12 year olds. In my law school, everyone thought that stopping at 8pm was normal. They received worse grades than me.

5. Never trust anything someone says, and sometimes this includes the professor. And clarify when the professor is ambiguous or makes mistakes.

6. The goal of an law essay is to "convince" with "emotion". Not to only follow logic.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2671450&forum_id=2#26314283)



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Date: September 11th, 2014 4:46 AM
Author: Flushed Principal's Office Juggernaut

are u t14?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2671450&forum_id=2#26306877)



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Date: September 11th, 2014 4:47 AM
Author: Startled Appetizing Area Toaster

Yes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2671450&forum_id=2#26306879)



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Date: September 11th, 2014 4:49 AM
Author: Flushed Principal's Office Juggernaut

if u didn't crack 173, no point in trying: u're fucked. best u can do is not be in the bottom 25%

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2671450&forum_id=2#26306887)



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Date: September 11th, 2014 4:50 AM
Author: Startled Appetizing Area Toaster

H or P school. No ranking.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2671450&forum_id=2#26306889)



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Date: September 11th, 2014 4:53 AM
Author: Flushed Principal's Office Juggernaut

ug classes are flame. lsat score determines how well u'll do relative to ur peers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2671450&forum_id=2#26306895)



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Date: September 11th, 2014 4:54 AM
Author: Startled Appetizing Area Toaster

Sorry for being unclear.

I go to a LAW school that awards Honors or Pass and does not rank.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2671450&forum_id=2#26306898)



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Date: September 11th, 2014 5:04 AM
Author: Flushed Principal's Office Juggernaut

why do u care about how to get better grades than ur peer? i'm just saying that ur lsat score will determine whether or not u could even get better grades than ur peers. If u can't, then why bother trying, right?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2671450&forum_id=2#26306907)



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Date: September 11th, 2014 5:11 AM
Author: Startled Appetizing Area Toaster

You're wrong and each of your comments is off base.

I know this because I scored higher than you on the LSAT.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2671450&forum_id=2#26306917)



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Date: September 11th, 2014 5:15 AM
Author: Flushed Principal's Office Juggernaut

so you either scored a 176, 177, 178, 179, or 180?

my comments are consistent with your thread title and additional inquiries and statements.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2671450&forum_id=2#26306924)



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Date: September 11th, 2014 5:21 AM
Author: Startled Appetizing Area Toaster

Correct.

Now assume I go to a law school where the Median LSAT of my class is 173. 25% and 75% are 170 and 176.

How do I perform better than my peers on the single exam that determines our grades at the end of the class?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2671450&forum_id=2#26306932)



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Date: September 11th, 2014 5:38 AM
Author: maniacal fat ankles

There are plenty of people who GRIND their way out of the middle of the data points and into the top of the class. Of course, it's interesting that minorities always end up at the bottom, alas.

Read Getting to Maybe, know your outline cold, an do a million practice exams. It's really that simple.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2671450&forum_id=2#26306951)



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Date: September 11th, 2014 5:41 AM
Author: Startled Appetizing Area Toaster

TYTY

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2671450&forum_id=2#26306955)



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Date: September 11th, 2014 5:44 AM
Author: Flushed Principal's Office Juggernaut

Simple if one possesses the required cognitive horsepower to grasp Getting to Maybe, has the mental discipline to do a million practice exams, and the motivation to do an outline cold.

All of the above is what the LSAT tests which is why it determines grades relative to peers. In OP's case, if he didn't crack 173, he scored lower than HALF of his class mates. There is now way he can get better grades than half of them. No matter how much he tries, no matter how much he studies, half of his class will perform (and try harder) than he ever will.

xoxo

hth

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2671450&forum_id=2#26306959)



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Date: September 11th, 2014 12:12 PM
Author: Violent confused shrine

explain low lsat transfers who end up in top of class at transfer school

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2671450&forum_id=2#26308213)



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Date: September 11th, 2014 3:24 PM
Author: Flushed Principal's Office Juggernaut

link

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2671450&forum_id=2#26309417)



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Date: September 11th, 2014 9:13 PM
Author: Lemon dysfunction center

What is cold outlining?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2671450&forum_id=2#26311722)



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Date: September 11th, 2014 5:28 AM
Author: maniacal fat ankles

gotta factor in the std. dev. bro; a 167 and a 166 could be decided by a single question, a single guess, a single one-time mistake. It's not a perfect predictor except that people outside the std. dev. are unlikely to break into the next one higher. On the LSAT I think that's usually like 3-4 points? 163-167 is a pretty significant difference.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2671450&forum_id=2#26306941)



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Date: September 11th, 2014 5:28 AM
Author: Startled Appetizing Area Toaster

thank you

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2671450&forum_id=2#26306943)



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Date: September 11th, 2014 12:15 PM
Author: Carnelian cerebral hall

is this really the xo consensus? i fucking hope this is true

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2671450&forum_id=2#26308241)



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Date: September 11th, 2014 11:30 AM
Author: Adventurous nibblets point

The Grinder's Way:

Read the following two Delaney books:

http://www.amazon.com/Learning-Legal-Reasoning-Briefing-Analysis/dp/0960851445/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1410449106&sr=8-2&keywords=delaney+law

and

http://www.amazon.com/How-Your-Best-School-Exams/dp/0960851453/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1410449123&sr=8-1&keywords=delaney+law

The second is more important for exams. The first can be helpful right before or as 1L starts.

Go to all classes and hand-write notes. You get better retention by hand-writing notes, and you won't be tempted to be distracted by surfing/IM during lectures.

Type up all of your handwritten notes. This acts as a review, and allows you to determine where there are holes in your understanding for further reading and/or office hours.

Print out your typed notes, and then write your own outline from your class notes (which were supplemented above). For most professors, class lectures will cover the areas they want to focus on. The key here is to read your notes and then condense them into an outline of your own words. No copy-pasta and don't just re-write your notes again. Class Notes could be 100 pages, but your outline should be like 20-25.

Print out your outline, and from reading your outline, write a short outline. I'm talking 2-3 pages tops. This should just be the most high-level information. By this point, you should know your notes and outlines very well, so that they are for quick-reference only during exams (you might want to print them all and put them in binders with tabs).

Do tons of practice exams, noting areas where you are deficient and practice the exam taking tips from the second Delaney book above.

One thing you should get is that law school exams are about setting up strawmen and knocking them down. You want to come up with every possible argument even if it fails (well, so and so might argue this because . . ., but it won't work because . . .). The more of these you can get in an exam answer, ideally with all these little strawmen going back to an argument that the professor briefly mentions in lecture, the better you'll do.

I wouldn't waste much time on supplements or other people's outlines unless there is a specific topic that you don't understand and your trying to get a grasp on it.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2671450&forum_id=2#26307926)



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Date: September 11th, 2014 11:34 AM
Author: Curious property

"One thing you should get is that law school exams are about setting up strawmen and knocking them down. You want to come up with every possible argument even if it fails (well, so and so might argue this because . . ., but it won't work because . . .). The more of these you can get in an exam answer, ideally with all these little strawmen going back to an argument that the professor briefly mentions in lecture, the better you'll do."

Credited. I mean there will be a certain hierarchy to the strawmen -- you'll get more points for hitting the more likely ones and fewer for the leftfield ones, but after you nail the main ones the way to rack up points is to think of as many others as possible.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2671450&forum_id=2#26307949)



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Date: September 11th, 2014 11:36 AM
Author: spectacular institution

"Do tons of practice exams, noting areas where you are deficient and practice the exam taking tips from the second Delaney book above.

One thing you should get is that law school exams are about setting up strawmen and knocking them down. You want to come up with every possible argument even if it fails (well, so and so might argue this because . . ., but it won't work because . . .). The more of these you can get in an exam answer, ideally with all these little strawmen going back to an argument that the professor briefly mentions in lecture, the better you'll do.

I wouldn't waste much time on supplements or other people's outlines unless there is a specific topic that you don't understand and your trying to get a grasp on it."

CREDITED

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2671450&forum_id=2#26307959)



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Date: September 11th, 2014 11:37 AM
Author: khaki laughsome field cuckold

Honestly, this is legit CR advice.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2671450&forum_id=2#26307972)



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Date: September 11th, 2014 11:32 AM
Author: boyish turquoise brunch circlehead

win with leews

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2671450&forum_id=2#26307938)



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Date: September 11th, 2014 11:34 AM
Author: multi-colored infuriating hunting ground

Kill them all

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2671450&forum_id=2#26307947)



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Date: September 11th, 2014 11:36 AM
Author: spectacular institution

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/georgia-law-school-grad-admits-strangling-classmate-dismembering-body-article-1.1764778

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2671450&forum_id=2#26307965)



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Date: September 11th, 2014 11:45 AM
Author: Startled Appetizing Area Toaster

Thanks very much for the advice guys

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2671450&forum_id=2#26308021)



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Date: September 11th, 2014 12:07 PM
Author: Smoky massive indian lodge place of business

http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1936907&forum_id=2:#20589262

those were my ideas 2 years ago, I don't see any reason to change them

I might incorporate spaced repetition software into it now

ala http://sivers.org/srs different context, but same idea

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2671450&forum_id=2#26308191)



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Date: September 11th, 2014 12:17 PM
Author: nubile flatulent station

If you can't honestly do the heavy grinding (yet cr and reasonably efficient) methods above, I highly suggest getting as good outlines as you can, hopefully specific to the professors you have.

Use these so you can skim cases quicker while still getting something out of it, and so you don't have to scramble all class taking notes (since you have much of the lecture in the outline) and don't miss important shit when you inevitably zone out here and there.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2671450&forum_id=2#26308247)



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Date: September 11th, 2014 12:26 PM
Author: soul-stirring doobsian pervert

If you can't type fast, learn how asap. Like start doing an hour per day of online typing tutorials every day for the rest of the month. Better notes and more time to craft exam answers.

I also buy the whole silly thing about putting subheadings and brief-like structure in your answer, which is easier to do if you take five minutes to sketch an outline for your answer before you start spewing out words. There are professors who will just give extra checks for headings that are on point and there are profs who heavily reward organization and clarity as much as hitting every issue.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2671450&forum_id=2#26308293)