Harvard Law Grads Burning Out of Biglaw
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Date: September 14th, 2014 1:08 PM Author: gay piazza
I've also noticed that Columbia kids do shitty work product at my firm
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2674285&forum_id=2#26326492)
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Date: September 14th, 2014 1:09 PM Author: gay piazza
Well the non harvard law grads are still here bro
just wondering why harvard grads burn out faster
and why columbia law grads do SHITTY WORK PRODUCT
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Date: September 14th, 2014 1:21 PM Author: gay piazza
lawl they must be fugs. tbf, columbia grads seem to burn out at a high rate too out of biglaw. don't know why, but the ones i've met don't do well in biglaw
i admit, i've mocked non-t14 grads, but only in private with other friends and in the context of hating more senior associates who went to non-t14 schools
little do these CLS guys know that all that matters is $$$$$$$$$ and connections. so yeah unless they are independently wealthy or will be they are fucked
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Date: September 14th, 2014 1:27 PM Author: Lascivious mewling principal's office trust fund
HYS types definitely don't last nearly as long in biglaw as people from lower ranked schools. I suspect there are quite a few reasons for this, including:
- too smart to be able to tolerate the mindless grinding
- better and more diverse exit options
- more likely to have family money
- getting biglaw was easy, so it isn't viewed as an accomplishment that must be held onto
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Date: September 14th, 2014 2:19 PM Author: Lascivious mewling principal's office trust fund
This effect has been pretty well documented, so it's not just your impression. See http://thecareerist.typepad.com/thecareerist/2012/03/best-second-tier-law-schools-for-big-law.html
So which schools have a good ratio of hires to partners in Big Law? Well, more "local" schools like University of Houston (1.0 ratio); University of Illinois (1.54 ratio); University of Minnesota (2.0 ratio)—although schools with national reputations like University of Texas (1.84 ratio) and Vanderbilt (1.76) are also in the mix. (TaxProfBlog has a nice chart listing schools most favored by the NLJ 250, plus the schools' ranking.)
Of course, it's a lot tougher for grads of lower-ranked schools to get into the doors of Big Law. But those who make it in are less likely to take the opportunity for granted, says Henderson. "The strivers tend to be more concentrated in the regional law schools," he says. "Face it, being a lawyer is a service job—it's cleaning up other people's problems, and a lot of people who go to elite schools don't want to do that."
So what exactly are those graduates of those elite law schools doing? "I don't know what happens to them but in our study, they're not becoming partners at major law firms, nor are they going in- house," says Henderson. "They must have a better Plan B than the rest of us."
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2674285&forum_id=2#26326948)
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Date: September 14th, 2014 4:53 PM Author: rough-skinned hell
if grades are a function of hard work ethic and students from lower ranked schools generally have higher grades than their peers at the firm from higher ranked schools, then maybe that's it.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2674285&forum_id=2#26327791)
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Date: September 14th, 2014 5:11 PM Author: Frum amethyst boltzmann prole
1) DO CORP NOT LIT
2) LAST 4-5 YEARS (3-4 years is still pretty easy if you just bill the hours and keep your head down)
3) DON'T BE NIGGER RICH PAY DOWN DEBT AND BUILD NEST EGG
4) NETWORK THE FUCK OUT OF LIFE, LEVERAGE DEGREE, AT YEAR 4-5 GET INTO IN-HOUSE
5) PROFIT
6) WIN AT LIFE, WIN AT LAW
That's it. Frame this post. This is the only advice you need.
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Date: September 14th, 2014 5:15 PM Author: Frum amethyst boltzmann prole
LOL at the contradiction in this post
"you don't *really* get credit for more hours"
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"just be above average ... and you'll be fine"
Above Average is still pretty fucking shitty in MFH biglaw. Just do have a shitty life *and* expect to have excellent work product, too!
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2674285&forum_id=2#26327900) |
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Date: September 14th, 2014 10:55 PM Author: citrine motley antidepressant drug school
"CR, although I'd set the bar at about 130 IQ. An IQ of 120 isn't really that high -- top 10% across the entire population."
I think plenty of 120 IQ people do fine. Tons of top partners and "superstar" associates are from regional schools. How smart is the guy knocking out a 161 or so on the LSAT?
Let me paint the ideal associate: 3.97 GPA from local school / 161 LSAT --> solid regional school --> top 3% --> their firm. Smart enough to do their job but most importantly, they live to grind and do it well. But, why not the HYP 4.0/177 LSAT --> YHS --> their firm? Because they will quickly realize that biglaw is bullshit. They're not true grinders.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2674285&forum_id=2#26330021) |
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Date: September 14th, 2014 7:14 PM Author: Diverse misanthropic alpha stage
Winning in litigation is about having the right facts, knowing how your facts will hold up, and advising the client accordingly.
Winning as a litigator is about grinding out hours for the first few years, and then grinding out hours while bringing in work for the rest of your career.
The HLS degree probably helps a bit in bringing in work down the road, but other than that, it is just a ticket to get in the door at a firm: It does nothing to help the facts of your case or the hours you're willing to bill.
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Date: September 14th, 2014 8:12 PM Author: gay piazza
This.
Harvard law students aren't that much smarter (by what 2 points on the LSAT)? With all the retaking that goes on, I'm not sure that means anything.
Many non-HYS T-14 people I know who have lasted in biglaw were 172-174 LSAT but low GPAs. They scored just as well as Harvard law students on the LSAT but slacked off in college and got lower GPAs, yet they have lasted longer in biglaw.
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Date: September 14th, 2014 9:27 PM Author: gay piazza
Looking at non-AA admits, non-URMs, non-legacy, yes.
There's a much bigger gap b/w average standardized test scores for HYPSMitCaltech undergrad and the other top 20 undergrads than the gap for LSAT among the top 14 law schools. Although I think the SAT is more learnable than the LSAT...
I don't really think Harvard grads (both undergrad and law) are that smart, tbh, unless they did a hard science like physics. MIT/Caltech are the only schools that impress me on name alone, in part because most of their grads are hard science majors.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2674285&forum_id=2#26329331) |
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