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someone please settle this: is global warming real or not
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Date: October 21st, 2014 5:17 PM Author: Charismatic Slimy Church Kitty Cat (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2706006&forum_id=2#26560671) |
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Date: October 21st, 2014 6:08 PM Author: Metal Messiness i say "real" cos i read that the land where chicago is was under like two MILES of ice a mere tick of the geological clock ago....
all them neanderthals fires cooking mammoth steaks done WARMED THE GLOBALS!!!!
just kidding - we smart liberals know the earth's climate was the SAME for EVAR until WHITE PEOPLE/CARS
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Date: October 21st, 2014 7:12 PM Author: lilac abusive temple round eye Insurance companies seem to think so... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2706006&forum_id=2#26561142) |
Date: October 21st, 2014 5:18 PM Author: Boyish indigo roast beef school No. Scientists made it up to seem important (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2706006&forum_id=2#26560675) |
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Date: October 21st, 2014 5:19 PM Author: amber demanding location it was 65 when i left for work and now it's 73
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Date: October 21st, 2014 5:23 PM Author: Charismatic Slimy Church Kitty Cat it's getting cold here and people want to wear pants (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2706006&forum_id=2#26560722) |
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Date: October 21st, 2014 5:31 PM Author: shivering clear therapy church building are we adding CO2 to the atmosphere? Yes Is CO2 a greenhouse gas? Yes Is that likely to change the climate, initially warming but also possibly triggering an ice age? Yes and maybe Does driving an electric car meaningfully change the above? No Does using CFL lightbulbs meaningfully change the above? No Is there anything we can do to stop the above? Not without killing more than half the worlds' population and going back to subsistence living for the survivors. Would such an attempt lead to massive global conflict causing results that are likely worse for humanity than climate change? Yes |
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Date: October 21st, 2014 5:35 PM Author: Mustard Hominid Lol
Just do disagree with 99% of scientists, bro |
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Date: October 21st, 2014 5:36 PM Author: shivering clear therapy church building which part do scientists disagree with? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2706006&forum_id=2#26560790) |
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Date: October 21st, 2014 5:37 PM Author: Mustard Hominid They ALL agree that DRASTIC changes MUST be made VERY SOON (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2706006&forum_id=2#26560798) |
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Date: October 21st, 2014 5:38 PM Author: shivering clear therapy church building and where do I disagree with that? I simply note that the drastic changes they are asking for would require killing over half the worlds' population and returning to subsistence living for the survivors (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2706006&forum_id=2#26560802) |
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Date: October 21st, 2014 5:39 PM Author: Mustard Hominid So you agree were fucked? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2706006&forum_id=2#26560806) |
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Date: October 21st, 2014 5:41 PM Author: shivering clear therapy church building I think there is some debate over just how bad the consequences of global warming/climate change are, but it is certainly real. I just don't think there is anything we can realistically do to stop/prevent it, and we're better off not needlessly hampering economic growth, if for no other reason than so we are wealthy enough in the future to put dykes around NYC, etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2706006&forum_id=2#26560816) |
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Date: October 21st, 2014 5:43 PM Author: Pearl Wild People Who Are Hurt are you dumb? you're agreeing with an idiotic EVERY SCIENTIST AGREES WE'RE ALL DOOMED claim when it's been repeatedly debunked? what exactly is your IQ? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2706006&forum_id=2#26560831) |
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Date: October 21st, 2014 5:45 PM Author: shivering clear therapy church building I haven't made any claims about scientific consensus, but I stand by my claims in my sub-OP (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2706006&forum_id=2#26560839) |
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Date: October 21st, 2014 5:45 PM Author: Pearl Wild People Who Are Hurt "and where do I disagree with that?"
you're done here. grow a beard |
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Date: October 21st, 2014 5:48 PM Author: shivering clear therapy church building the point of my response wasn't to quibble over the 99% claim - my point was that I didn't dispute that human induced climate change is real
What I do dispute are any claims of (1) how bad climate change will be on net (we just don't know) and (2) that climate change can realistically be stopped (I don't think it can) |
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Date: October 21st, 2014 5:43 PM Author: Pearl Wild People Who Are Hurt you're so utterly stupid that you can't even cite the consensus figure correctly without giving context. do you even know what you're talking about? are you stupid? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2706006&forum_id=2#26560825) |
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Date: October 21st, 2014 5:55 PM Author: glassy sick gaming laptop That number is a fraud (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2706006&forum_id=2#26560874) |
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Date: October 21st, 2014 5:40 PM Author: Ivory toilet seat "Is there anything we can do to stop the above? Not without killing more than half the worlds' population and going back to subsistence living for the survivors."
[Citation needed] |
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Date: October 21st, 2014 5:43 PM Author: shivering clear therapy church building Please tell me how you plan to bring the emissions of the world, including China, India and other developing countries, to 0 while removing excess CO2 currently in the atmosphere (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2706006&forum_id=2#26560826) |
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Date: October 21st, 2014 5:49 PM Author: Ivory toilet seat http://www.rtcc.org/2013/11/28/global-warming-hard-to-reverse-say-scientists/
TL;DR If we were to release 250 billion more tons of excess CO2 then halt all carbon emissions, global temperatures would rise a maximum of 2 degrees Celsius (generally agreed to be an acceptable rise). Then, over an extremely long timeline, trees, algae, seas, etc., would slowly absorb the excess carbon. |
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Date: October 21st, 2014 5:55 PM Author: shivering clear therapy church building First, "Simulation suggests that even halting carbon emissions could still leave the Earth’s average temperature rising" supports my claim that we can't stop climate change.
Second, how do we stop the world from emitting CO2 once we hit your pre-set limit? |
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Date: October 21st, 2014 6:23 PM Author: Ivory toilet seat Uh yeah, rising up to a maximum level of 2 degrees higher than our current temperature. So in the short term, yes the temperatures would continue rising after we halt, but we could still avoid catastrophic climate change.
And regarding your second question, idk how to make it happen politically. Maybe outlaw the burning of fossil fuels? Maybe call on the leaders of every world religion to ostracize those who burn fossil fuels? Maybe develop some technology (e.g., genetically engineered algae) that offsets carbon emissions? I don't know the best way to go about it, I'm just saying that if we can limit ourselves to only increasing carbon levels by 250 billion more tons, it is scientifically possible to prevent catastrophic climate change. |
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Date: October 21st, 2014 10:49 PM Author: transparent really tough guy the majority of C02 emissions aren't from humans, genius. you would have to outlaw volcanic eruptions, forest fires, cow flatulence, etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2706006&forum_id=2#26562453) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2014 12:25 AM Author: Ivory toilet seat (literal retard)
(1) It's CO2, not C02. The O is Oxygen. It's not a number.
(2) Carbon dioxide levels were constant from 0 AD up until the industrial revolution. The amounts of carbon released by the natural world are roughly equivalent to the amounts of carbon absorbed by the natural world.* It wasn't until the industrial revolution that carbon levels begin to rise appreciably. If humans stop burning fossil fuels, carbon levels will stop rising. If you don't understand a concept that simple, I simply cannot engage you in debate.
*I understand that carbon levels do fluctuate due to natural forces if you've looking at timespans of tens of thousands of years... but that's irrelevant to the current discussion. Natural fluctuation bounces from 200 to 300 ppm, and the cycles occur over a span of tens of thousands of years. What's happening now is that we've jumped from about 300 ppm to 397 ppm in a mere 100 years. That's an unprecedented high, reached at an unprecedented rate, and it has nothing to do with cow farts or forest fires. |
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Date: October 21st, 2014 6:08 PM Author: Mauve sandwich not believing in anthropogenic warming might be the most PROLE thing ever. look at the overwhelming data and the funding of scientists/politicians that deny it. every other country in the world is debating what to do about it, not whether it's happening. america is doomed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2706006&forum_id=2#26560911) |
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Date: October 21st, 2014 10:53 PM Author: transparent really tough guy this is such horse shit. in 100 years "climate change" will be seen as the most ridiculous thing since witches and the spanish inquisition. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2706006&forum_id=2#26562499) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2014 12:29 AM Author: Gaped spectacular locale dopamine (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2706006&forum_id=2#26563180) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2014 12:32 AM Author: vigorous native cuck Global warming is such a problem... Oh I mean climate change... Oh actually "anthropologic warming". Get the story straight then try to convince everyone (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2706006&forum_id=2#26563197) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2014 12:35 AM Author: Dashing spot "anthropologic warming" stfu (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2706006&forum_id=2#26563212) |
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Date: October 21st, 2014 6:47 PM Author: Sienna school cafeteria Ask yourself this: would Al Gore lie? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2706006&forum_id=2#26561050) |
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Date: October 21st, 2014 6:53 PM Author: glassy sick gaming laptop Would Al Gore lie to increase his net worth 180M? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2706006&forum_id=2#26561068) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2014 12:26 AM Author: vigorous native cuck Just ljl at shitlibs assuming global warming is bad (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2706006&forum_id=2#26563154) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2014 12:28 AM Author: Ivory toilet seat (reptile perched on a flat rock, eagerly awaiting some sweet CO2 fueled tanning opportunities) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2706006&forum_id=2#26563167) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2014 12:29 AM Author: vigorous native cuck The middle age warming period was the most prosperous time in history. Crops took off. Htfh (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2706006&forum_id=2#26563174) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2014 12:34 AM Author: Ivory toilet seat http://www.skepticalscience.com/pics/Moberg_Hockey_Stick.gif
Yeah bro, that spike on the right is going to be fuckin sweet. Like the middle ages all over again. Our crops are going to love it. This is going to be sweet. I'm gonna find me a nice flat rock now and just wait for the excellent crops to start pouring in.
Edit: Here's another graph in case you want a more reliable source: http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/pubs/ipcc2007/fig6-10b.png |
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Date: October 22nd, 2014 12:30 AM Author: crimson flatulent cuckold hissy fit Real and were fukt (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2706006&forum_id=2#26563181) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2014 2:57 AM Author: Charismatic Slimy Church Kitty Cat ok i just went outside and it's cold as fuck (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2706006&forum_id=2#26563653) |
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Date: February 20th, 2015 4:37 PM Author: House-broken diverse meetinghouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2706006&forum_id=2#27357762) |