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How much do IP partners at small boutique make?
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Date: October 23rd, 2014 10:24 PM Author: nighttime overrated mother About 4-5 attorneys, 1-2 of counsel, 3 associates? Talking Atlanta. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2707943&forum_id=2#26575012) |
Date: October 23rd, 2014 10:25 PM Author: slippery rose stead alpha pros? proly in the low 300s (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2707943&forum_id=2#26575015) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2014 10:27 PM Author: nighttime overrated mother pros indeed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2707943&forum_id=2#26575036) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2014 10:27 PM Author: nighttime overrated mother I was thinking more around 200-250K. No? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2707943&forum_id=2#26575038) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2014 10:28 PM Author: very tactful bipolar locus that seems low. i worked for a solo traditional labor lawyer a few years ago. his practice was kinda winding down and we weren't drowning in work, and his revenues were around 700k/year. he must have been keeping over 400 of that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2707943&forum_id=2#26575049) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2014 10:29 PM Author: nighttime overrated mother But you realize that is not typical right? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2707943&forum_id=2#26575051) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2014 10:31 PM Author: very tactful bipolar locus will you fuck my ass? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2707943&forum_id=2#26575073) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2014 10:32 PM Author: nighttime overrated mother Ok, so flame. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2707943&forum_id=2#26575083) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2014 10:36 PM Author: very tactful bipolar locus it was true, bro. i do recognize that it is unusual, and would like you to pound my ass.
still, 250 for a partner at a boutique seems low, especially IP shit. |
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Date: October 23rd, 2014 10:37 PM Author: nighttime overrated mother Not necessarily.
http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Law_Firm_Partner/Salary |
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Date: October 23rd, 2014 10:39 PM Author: multi-colored violet rigor So why did you ask the fucking question if you're a MFE?
Also lol @ payscale |
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Date: October 23rd, 2014 10:42 PM Author: nighttime overrated mother Just seems like people pulling numbers out of their butts. But then what else can there be? My mistake to begin with. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2707943&forum_id=2#26575155) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2014 10:40 PM Author: stimulating genital piercing trump supporter An experienced IP partner in the south can pretty easily bill $500+ an hour. If he bills 1650 hours a year and collects 85% of that, that's $700k in revenue a year. So they probably do pretty well for themselves. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2707943&forum_id=2#26575136) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2014 10:49 PM Author: Yellow maniacal piazza macaca except most CS/EE prosecution is capped budget these days, so can bill a billion/hr and still only collect 5-7K for an application. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2707943&forum_id=2#26575211) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2014 10:51 PM Author: nighttime overrated mother My thoughts were anywhere from 200-250-~300K. Sound crazy to you? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2707943&forum_id=2#26575219) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2014 10:52 PM Author: cerebral sable den kitty Yes this is doable. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2707943&forum_id=2#26575233) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2014 10:53 PM Author: nighttime overrated mother Which part of the range is it more likely to fall on? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2707943&forum_id=2#26575238) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2014 10:55 PM Author: cerebral sable den kitty For support partners without books, 200. The partners with their own clients could be making 300-400. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2707943&forum_id=2#26575255) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2014 10:57 PM Author: nighttime overrated mother So pretty close to an inhouse salary at a larger company then? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2707943&forum_id=2#26575270) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2014 10:59 PM Author: cerebral sable den kitty Sure if you're talking Google. I imagine a lot of inhouse positions are paying more like 150. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2707943&forum_id=2#26575288) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2014 11:00 PM Author: nighttime overrated mother In my market inhouse as a mid level (~5-6) will net you about low 200s all in (larger company). 250K after 8-9 years of total experience. 300K+ when you are a "senior" counsel. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2707943&forum_id=2#26575294) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2014 10:54 PM Author: Yellow maniacal piazza macaca sounds reasonable for a very small shop with a steady flow of work. I think you can make more as you leverage and hire more agents/juniors to do work for you. I am guessing for large IP boutiques (i.e., > 10), partners can make closer to 400-500K, maybe more at bigger places. But you aren't going to 1mil+ unless you are doing litigation or work for a very large firm. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2707943&forum_id=2#26575243) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2014 10:55 PM Author: nighttime overrated mother Well consider the leverage ratio based on 4 partners, 2 counsel, 3 associates? I am guessing it is more likely in the 200-250 range. Or not much better than going inhouse. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2707943&forum_id=2#26575254) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2014 10:58 PM Author: Yellow maniacal piazza macaca depends on the in-house. IP in-house in Cali pays 200+ easily, but around DC area and east coast it's super-competitive because there aren't too many tech companies and so the salaries are deflated to 150-170 base (assuming you can even get a job). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2707943&forum_id=2#26575283) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2014 11:00 PM Author: cerebral sable den kitty Yeah basically unless you are willing to live in the Silicon Valley sausage fest, you are usually looking at < 200. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2707943&forum_id=2#26575300) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2014 11:03 PM Author: nighttime overrated mother Man IP inhouse compensation sounds like the inverse of law firm compensation. That is, there is a premium in law firms and a decided lack thereof at the inhouse level. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2707943&forum_id=2#26575317) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2014 11:05 PM Author: Yellow maniacal piazza macaca premium in law firms? Since when? This isn't 2000. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2707943&forum_id=2#26575330) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2014 11:06 PM Author: nighttime overrated mother I am out the loop brother. Last I checked IP associates in secondary markets were pulling a premium over other associates. Maybe times changed post 2009. I will concede the point if so. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2707943&forum_id=2#26575342) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2014 10:58 PM Author: cerebral sable den kitty Agents are key. Just gotta get them to the point where their work isn't so bad that it pisses off your clients. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2707943&forum_id=2#26575279) |
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Date: October 24th, 2014 10:13 AM Author: stimulating genital piercing trump supporter Oh. Yeah, I clearly don't know what I'm talking about. Thanks for the info. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2707943&forum_id=2#26576961) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2014 10:52 PM Author: cerebral sable den kitty Good luck billing that unless you are bringing in enough work and have enough people below you to be a full time reviewer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2707943&forum_id=2#26575228) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2014 2:14 AM Author: Brilliant french school (retard) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2707943&forum_id=2#26840630) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2014 10:53 PM Author: cerebral sable den kitty Probably 200K (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2707943&forum_id=2#26575237) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2014 11:00 PM Author: nighttime overrated mother So really about 200-250K then all said and done? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2707943&forum_id=2#26575302) |
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Date: April 20th, 2016 11:34 PM Author: Irradiated House-broken Cuckold This is just wrong wrong wrong. You have no credibility (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2707943&forum_id=2#30315849) |
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Date: October 23rd, 2014 11:09 PM Author: soul-stirring sweet tailpipe very hard to pull more than 250 unless they work like insane dogs and for whatever reason can get around billing caps. especially in the pricing rat race of a major metro with a billion IP dudes cannibalizing each other.
anyone claiming more than that ITT is just trying to rile you up. |
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Date: October 24th, 2014 3:19 AM Author: Boyish chartreuse newt (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2707943&forum_id=2#26576288) |
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Date: October 24th, 2014 3:21 AM Author: Boyish chartreuse newt I'm in IP. EE/CS. For OP's setting? 200-300K. For elite boutiques at SV? Partners make 1 mill +. cop dat STEM. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2707943&forum_id=2#26576294) |
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Date: December 1st, 2014 4:54 PM Author: nighttime overrated mother So more concrete data. 4 partners, 2 counsel and about 5 or 6 associates and examiners. How much would a partner make? Pure pros shop. No litigation. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2707943&forum_id=2#26836916) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2014 12:59 AM Author: Territorial Abusive Police Squad 250k pros is a fickle bitch nowadays. Especially for the small shop. Even the big companies are looking for deals - ~40hrs of work at 5-7k fees. no one breaks even with that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2707943&forum_id=2#26840159) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2014 7:14 PM Author: garnet frum fat ankles Might as well do automobile insurance defense for Geico. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2707943&forum_id=2#26844265) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2014 2:16 AM Author: Brilliant french school calling firms "shops" automatically disqualifies you from all nonfaggotry. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2707943&forum_id=2#26840646) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2014 1:22 PM Author: Vigorous Impertinent Address Sound Barrier I don't think this board has a good idea of IP salaries. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2707943&forum_id=2#26842300) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2014 7:05 PM Author: nighttime overrated mother What do you think then? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2707943&forum_id=2#26844224) |
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Date: April 15th, 2016 7:39 PM Author: Irradiated House-broken Cuckold This is bs. For OP's situation you are looking at 300-400k. People posting itt don't know what they are talking about (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2707943&forum_id=2#30282284) |
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Date: April 15th, 2016 7:41 PM Author: cerebral sable den kitty OK show your work for how you leverage 3-4 associates to make 300-400k. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2707943&forum_id=2#30282295) |
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Date: April 19th, 2016 3:29 AM Author: floppy transparent pozpig Associates billing 1800 at 275 per hour, collecting 1500 =412,500 each. Each partner billing 1500 and collecting 1,250 at 350-500/hr. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2707943&forum_id=2#30302440) |
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Date: April 20th, 2016 7:06 PM Author: Irradiated House-broken Cuckold Owned? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2707943&forum_id=2#30313738) |
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Date: April 20th, 2016 7:12 PM Author: cerebral sable den kitty You aren't making all that much off associates based on those numbers. Maybe 100-150K per associate, divided among the partners. I also doubt many of these firms "collect" 500K per partner as suggested. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2707943&forum_id=2#30313801) |
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Date: April 20th, 2016 9:33 PM Author: floppy transparent pozpig Small firms with 4 associates and two partners don't eat 300k per associate on rent and salary.
They also don't tolerate attorneys, partners included, who don't bill. If they do they die.
The numbers I showed are not a stretch and are realistic for a small boutique.
You asked for how to leverage a few associates to make 300k-400k per partner? That's how. Get clients that pay and it works. |
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Date: April 20th, 2016 9:37 PM Author: cerebral sable den kitty It's pretty hard to get a decent IP associate for less than 200K + 75K overhead.
I don't think your typical IP firm with 2 partners / 4 associates is getting clients that are paying partners $500K a year in billables. The budget pressure in prosecution is tremendous, unless those partners are literal machines that can churn out work product like robots. |
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Date: April 20th, 2016 11:33 PM Author: Irradiated House-broken Cuckold Just give up bro. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2707943&forum_id=2#30315842) |