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Guy behind Fisher vs U-TX sues HUG, UNC under TitleVI and 14A

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chestnut medicated menage generalized bond
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I love it.
Blue pit
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chestnut medicated menage generalized bond
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Very crisp brief.
Blue pit
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chestnut medicated menage generalized bond
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i hate AA, but HUG is a private institution, and its practic...
spruce twisted pozpig space
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:(
Blue pit
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chestnut medicated menage generalized bond
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the Supreme Court has stated that race CAN be used as one of...
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chestnut medicated menage generalized bond
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DESCRIBE the implications if SCOTUS hears this and rules on...
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chestnut medicated menage generalized bond
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even if the court rules in favor of the plaintiff, the issue...
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chestnut medicated menage generalized bond
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if the argument is that race should not be used at all, do t...
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chestnut medicated menage generalized bond
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Ha going to love libs arguing it's ok to keep Asians out.
bronze dingle berry
  11/17/14
lol this is going to be great
Blue pit
  11/17/14
Once you lay naked the obvious anti-Asian bias...they'll be ...
elite green voyeur athletic conference
  11/17/14
SFFA has at least one member (“Applicant”) who applied for a...
Blue pit
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47. In 1920, in a letter to William Hocking, a Harvard philo...
Blue pit
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By the spring of 1922, the proportion of Jewish students had...
Blue pit
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who is this lawyer? is he a hack, or does he have serious cr...
spruce twisted pozpig space
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chestnut medicated menage generalized bond
  11/17/14
the first guy is legit as fuck. summa at HLS is virtually im...
spruce twisted pozpig space
  11/17/14
jjc, i hear he still regrets he didn't get an mba at harvard...
Flesh box office roast beef
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Marvelous Fortuitous Meteor Kitty Cat
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chestnut medicated menage generalized bond
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I fucking love this brief.
Blue pit
  11/17/14
Brief? It's a fucking complaint. So much for "a s...
Marvelous Fortuitous Meteor Kitty Cat
  11/17/14
I have reservations about AA, but good luck proving this kid...
Yapping center
  11/17/14
i HATE AA, but that asian kid's resume is subpar by HUG non-...
spruce twisted pozpig space
  11/17/14
yea I was not impressed
Yapping center
  11/17/14
....so in other words if you're Asian it's basically impossi...
sickened stubborn mexican
  11/17/14
dude, i'm MAF about this, and yes, that's exactly what i'm s...
spruce twisted pozpig space
  11/17/14
out the HS please
Glittery angry nursing home
  11/17/14
tbf the valedictorian of the "best magnet in california...
Vivacious slap-happy meetinghouse crotch
  11/17/14
Please, indentured servitude and internment camps.
Flickering locus
  11/17/14
Fisher was borderline. Here: Valedictorian, 1600/36, ECs, ...
sapphire legend senate
  11/17/14
not 1600; he got 800s on two SAT II subject tests
Glittery angry nursing home
  11/17/14
Don't they count ACT same as SAT but you still have to take ...
sapphire legend senate
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correct. you still have to take 2 SAT II subject tests (i th...
spruce twisted pozpig space
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i agree that a black or hispanic with the EXACT same credent...
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chestnut medicated menage generalized bond
  11/17/14
jjc commenting on law, fascinating
cruel-hearted juggernaut
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chestnut medicated menage generalized bond
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her problem was that she was a certifiable moron who actuall...
sickened stubborn mexican
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chestnut medicated menage generalized bond
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"but good luck proving this kid would have been admitte...
Marvelous Fortuitous Meteor Kitty Cat
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180
Metal market
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chestnut medicated menage generalized bond
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His ECs were weak. The only real one was tennis and he wasn...
Deep tantric abode mad cow disease
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chestnut medicated menage generalized bond
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Unrelated, but
Flickering locus
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wouldn't be surprised at all. i have 2 buddies (one asian, o...
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chestnut medicated menage generalized bond
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GPA whoring at law schools makes no sense. STEM and non-gra...
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are liberals talking about this case? pretty quiet regarding...
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Date: November 17th, 2014 1:35 PM
Author: chestnut medicated menage generalized bond



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26737556)



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Date: November 17th, 2014 1:36 PM
Author: Blue pit

I love it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26737562)



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Date: November 17th, 2014 1:37 PM
Author: chestnut medicated menage generalized bond



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26737566)



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Date: November 17th, 2014 1:41 PM
Author: Blue pit

Very crisp brief.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26737595)



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Date: November 18th, 2014 11:55 PM
Author: chestnut medicated menage generalized bond



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26748399)



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Date: November 17th, 2014 1:41 PM
Author: spruce twisted pozpig space

i hate AA, but HUG is a private institution, and its practice has been consistent with what the Supreme Court envisioned. it's not going to go anywhere.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26737599)



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Date: November 17th, 2014 1:48 PM
Author: Blue pit

:(

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26737632)



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Date: November 17th, 2014 1:56 PM
Author: chestnut medicated menage generalized bond



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26737676)



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Date: November 17th, 2014 2:03 PM
Author: spruce twisted pozpig space

the Supreme Court has stated that race CAN be used as one of many factors in admissions. It cannot be the decisive or primary factor. It will be hard to prove that a private university such as Harvard practiced discrimination against Asians since even with the overwhelming data present, Harvard will simply say that there are too many qualified Asian applicants and that the school takes into account the overall class composition when accepting students. They will also say that the Asian students who were denied admission were deficient in other areas of their application.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26737720)



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Date: November 17th, 2014 2:14 PM
Author: chestnut medicated menage generalized bond



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26737783)



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Date: November 17th, 2014 2:18 PM
Author: spruce twisted pozpig space

DESCRIBE the implications if SCOTUS hears this and rules on behalf of the plaintiff. Will it be a game changer on par with Bakke?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26737805)



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Date: November 17th, 2014 2:24 PM
Author: chestnut medicated menage generalized bond



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26737835)



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Date: November 17th, 2014 2:28 PM
Author: spruce twisted pozpig space

even if the court rules in favor of the plaintiff, the issue seems to be enforcement. the court will never say that race cannot be used AT ALL during admissions, merely that it cannot be the sole or decisive factor. given that, how will the court make sure that HUG is in line with that ruling? will HUG need to show that the grades and test scores of other ethnic groups are more in line with asians'?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26737856)



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Date: November 17th, 2014 2:36 PM
Author: chestnut medicated menage generalized bond



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26737882)



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Date: November 17th, 2014 2:43 PM
Author: spruce twisted pozpig space

if the argument is that race should not be used at all, do they think that other factors such as gender, geography, socioeconomic status, also should not be taken into account? by excluding race, can one argue that this is a slippery slope whereby a private university is prevented from crafting a class it deems fit?

again, i agree with the plaintiffs but playing devil's advocate here.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26737922)



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Date: November 17th, 2014 2:50 PM
Author: chestnut medicated menage generalized bond



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26737942)



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Date: November 17th, 2014 1:47 PM
Author: bronze dingle berry

Ha going to love libs arguing it's ok to keep Asians out.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26737631)



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Date: November 17th, 2014 1:48 PM
Author: Blue pit

lol this is going to be great

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26737635)



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Date: November 17th, 2014 2:01 PM
Author: elite green voyeur athletic conference

Once you lay naked the obvious anti-Asian bias...they'll be lost to liberal causes and may likely become politically active at their kids getting fucked over. Good luck libs!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26737703)



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Date: November 17th, 2014 1:50 PM
Author: Blue pit

SFFA has at least one member (“Applicant”) who applied for and was denied admission to Harvard’s 2014 entering class. Blum Dec. ¶ 4.

16. Applicant is Asian American. Blum Dec. ¶ 5.

17. Applicant’s parents are first-generation immigrants to the United States

from China. Blum Dec. ¶ 6.

18. Applicant graduated from high school ranked 1 out of 460 students by weighted and un-weighted grade point average. Blum Dec. ¶ 7.

19. U.S. News and World Report ranks Applicant’s high school in the top 5 percent of all high schools in the United States. Blum Dec. ¶ 8.

20. Applicant achieved a perfect score of 36 on the ACT. Applicant achieved a perfect score of 800 for SAT II History and a perfect score of 800 for SAT II Math. Among other academic achievements, Applicant was named an AP Scholar with distinction, a National Scholar, and a National Merit Scholarship semifinalist. Blum Dec. ¶¶ 9-10.

21. While in high school, Applicant participated in numerous extracurricular and volunteer activities. Among other things, Applicant was captain of the varsity tennis team, volunteered at a community tennis camp, volunteered for the high school’s student peer tutoring program, was a volunteer fundraiser for National Public Radio, and traveled to China as part of a program organized by the United States Consulate General and Chinese American Students Education and Exchange to assist students in learning English writing and presentation skills. Blum Dec. ¶ 11.

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22. Applicant was denied the opportunity to compete for admission to Harvard on equal footing with other applicants on the basis of race or ethnicity due to Harvard’s discriminatory admissions policies. Blum Dec. ¶ 12.

23. Applicant was accepted to and has enrolled at a university that is ranked in the Top 20 in the nation by U.S. News and World Report. That university does not grant an admissions preference on the basis of race or ethnicity. Blum Dec. ¶ 13.

24. ceases the use

discrimination 25.

Applicant is ready, able, and intends to seek to transfer to Harvard when it of race or ethnicity as an admissions preference and ceases its intentional against Asian Americans. Blum Dec. ¶ 14.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26737645)



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Date: November 17th, 2014 1:51 PM
Author: Blue pit

47. In 1920, in a letter to William Hocking, a Harvard philosophy professor, President Lowell wrote that the increasing number of Jewish students enrolling at Harvard would ultimately “ruin the college.”

48. To combat this “Jewish problem,” President Lowell sought to institute a cap on Jewish enrollment in each entering class.

49. In his letter to Hocking, President Lowell stated that the best approach would be “to state frankly that we thought we could do the most good by not admitting more than a certain proportion of men in a group that did not intermingle with the rest, and give our reasons for it to the public.” According to Lowell, “[e]xperience seems to place that proportion at about 15%.”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26737651)



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Date: November 17th, 2014 1:52 PM
Author: Blue pit

By the spring of 1922, the proportion of Jewish students had reached 21.5 percent. President Lowell warned that unless immediate measures were taken “the danger would seem to be imminent.”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26737655)



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Date: November 17th, 2014 1:57 PM
Author: spruce twisted pozpig space

who is this lawyer? is he a hack, or does he have serious credentials?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26737678)



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Date: November 17th, 2014 2:02 PM
Author: chestnut medicated menage generalized bond



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26737709)



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Date: November 17th, 2014 2:04 PM
Author: spruce twisted pozpig space

the first guy is legit as fuck. summa at HLS is virtually impossible; only done a handful of times.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26737726)



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Date: November 17th, 2014 5:20 PM
Author: Flesh box office roast beef

jjc, i hear he still regrets he didn't get an mba at harvard and is often seen outside HBS parties with a longing look on his face

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26738884)



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Date: November 17th, 2014 8:57 PM
Author: Marvelous Fortuitous Meteor Kitty Cat



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26740099)



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Date: November 17th, 2014 8:42 PM
Author: chestnut medicated menage generalized bond



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26740002)



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Date: November 17th, 2014 1:59 PM
Author: Blue pit

I fucking love this brief.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26737688)



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Date: November 17th, 2014 9:06 PM
Author: Marvelous Fortuitous Meteor Kitty Cat

Brief?

It's a fucking complaint.

So much for "a short and plain statement of the claim showing that the pleader is entitled to relief."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26740159)



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Date: November 17th, 2014 2:02 PM
Author: Yapping center

I have reservations about AA, but good luck proving this kid would have been admitted to H but for being Asian. This lawyer had the same problem with the Fisher plaintiff.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26737706)



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Date: November 17th, 2014 2:05 PM
Author: spruce twisted pozpig space

i HATE AA, but that asian kid's resume is subpar by HUG non-urm standards. pretty much every asian kid i know who got into HUG had stronger resumes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26737729)



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Date: November 17th, 2014 2:05 PM
Author: Yapping center

yea I was not impressed

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26737730)



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Date: November 17th, 2014 2:21 PM
Author: sickened stubborn mexican

....so in other words if you're Asian it's basically impossible to get into HUG with outlandishly stellar creds despite being a minority with a history of repression by whitey that literally includes slavery in the late 19th c. and being put in concentration camps in the mid-20th c.

sounds like you're making the argument for p side

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26737811)



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Date: November 17th, 2014 2:24 PM
Author: spruce twisted pozpig space

dude, i'm MAF about this, and yes, that's exactly what i'm saying. i applied to colleges more than a decade ago and had better credentials than this asian bro except that my test scores were a bit lower. i got dinged at HYPS (no waitlist) and had to settle for a non-hyp ivy.

my cousin went to arguably the best magnet high school in california, was valedictorian, had around 2300 on the SAT, and tons of leadership and awards and he got dinged at Harvard, Stanford, MIT, and Columbia. Now he did go to Princeton, so things worked out for him but still, you get my point.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26737832)



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Date: November 17th, 2014 2:38 PM
Author: Glittery angry nursing home

out the HS please

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26737898)



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Date: November 17th, 2014 3:01 PM
Author: Vivacious slap-happy meetinghouse crotch

tbf the valedictorian of the "best magnet in california" would have a 2400. that means you're basically ultimate pro king of the superstudyazns

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26738023)



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Date: November 17th, 2014 2:58 PM
Author: Flickering locus

Please, indentured servitude and internment camps.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26737994)



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Date: November 17th, 2014 2:06 PM
Author: sapphire legend senate

Fisher was borderline. Here: Valedictorian, 1600/36, ECs, good high school.

How many AA or Hispanics with those numbers were dinged? Probably zero.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26737741)



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Date: November 17th, 2014 2:07 PM
Author: Glittery angry nursing home

not 1600; he got 800s on two SAT II subject tests

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26737746)



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Date: November 17th, 2014 2:33 PM
Author: sapphire legend senate

Don't they count ACT same as SAT but you still have to take SAT II? Been so long for me.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26737871)



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Date: November 17th, 2014 2:38 PM
Author: spruce twisted pozpig space

correct. you still have to take 2 SAT II subject tests (i think 3 if you did not take the SAT I but not sure).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26737894)



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Date: November 17th, 2014 2:08 PM
Author: spruce twisted pozpig space

i agree that a black or hispanic with the EXACT same credentials would have gotten into HUG, but that's irrelevant when making a legal argument. the fact is that you're competing against those from the same demographic/geographic background, and HUG will simply say that the kid was strong but weak compared to the Asians who got into HUG. they will also say that despite being 5% of the u.s. population, asians are 20% of HUG.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26737752)



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Date: November 17th, 2014 2:17 PM
Author: chestnut medicated menage generalized bond



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26737802)



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Date: November 17th, 2014 2:22 PM
Author: cruel-hearted juggernaut

jjc commenting on law, fascinating

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26737822)



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Date: November 17th, 2014 2:08 PM
Author: chestnut medicated menage generalized bond



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26737748)



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Date: November 17th, 2014 2:22 PM
Author: sickened stubborn mexican

her problem was that she was a certifiable moron who actually couldn't have gotten into Texas in absence of AA

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26737821)



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Date: November 17th, 2014 2:25 PM
Author: chestnut medicated menage generalized bond



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26737847)



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Date: November 17th, 2014 9:08 PM
Author: Marvelous Fortuitous Meteor Kitty Cat

"but good luck proving this kid would have been admitted to H but for being Asian. This lawyer had the same problem with the Fisher plaintiff."

I thought the issue was whether the applicant was given a fair shake, not whether the plaintiff would have been admitted.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26740161)



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Date: November 17th, 2014 2:03 PM
Author: Metal market

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26737719)



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Date: November 18th, 2014 1:07 PM
Author: chestnut medicated menage generalized bond



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26743786)



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Date: November 17th, 2014 2:35 PM
Author: Deep tantric abode mad cow disease

His ECs were weak. The only real one was tennis and he wasn't good enough to be recruited for it. The rest was resume-padding bullshit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26737880)



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Date: November 17th, 2014 2:38 PM
Author: chestnut medicated menage generalized bond



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26737897)



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Date: November 17th, 2014 2:55 PM
Author: Flickering locus
Subject: Unrelated, but

Until very recently, YLS published class profiles that revealed that they regularly reject nearly half of 175+/3.75+ applicants. Chances are that these rejects are all Asians who end up at CLS with half-tuition scholly?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26737979)



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Date: November 17th, 2014 2:58 PM
Author: spruce twisted pozpig space

wouldn't be surprised at all. i have 2 buddies (one asian, one white) who were dinged from YLS with those numbers from HYPS undergrads.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26737996)



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Date: November 17th, 2014 4:57 PM
Author: chestnut medicated menage generalized bond



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26738738)



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Date: November 17th, 2014 9:31 PM
Author: sapphire legend senate

GPA whoring at law schools makes no sense. STEM and non-grade inflated schools get PWNed by English majors at Brown.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26740304)



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Date: November 17th, 2014 5:19 PM
Author: Blue pit



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26738879)



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Date: November 17th, 2014 6:50 PM
Author: chestnut medicated menage generalized bond



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26739414)



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Date: November 17th, 2014 6:52 PM
Author: spruce twisted pozpig space

are liberals talking about this case? pretty quiet regarding this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26739426)



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Date: November 17th, 2014 7:50 PM
Author: Blue pit



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26739670)



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Date: November 17th, 2014 8:33 PM
Author: chestnut medicated menage generalized bond



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26739958)



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Date: November 18th, 2014 12:12 AM
Author: slate cracking corner



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26741845)