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Guy behind Fisher vs U-TX sues HUG, UNC under TitleVI and 14A
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Date: November 17th, 2014 1:35 PM Author: crusty range milk (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26737556) |
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Date: November 17th, 2014 1:36 PM Author: Misanthropic space hissy fit I love it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26737562) |
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Date: November 17th, 2014 1:37 PM Author: crusty range milk (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26737566) |
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Date: November 17th, 2014 1:41 PM Author: Misanthropic space hissy fit Very crisp brief. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26737595) |
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Date: November 18th, 2014 11:55 PM Author: crusty range milk (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26748399) |
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Date: November 17th, 2014 1:41 PM Author: curious personal credit line i hate AA, but HUG is a private institution, and its practice has been consistent with what the Supreme Court envisioned. it's not going to go anywhere. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26737599) |
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Date: November 17th, 2014 1:48 PM Author: Misanthropic space hissy fit :( (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26737632) |
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Date: November 17th, 2014 1:56 PM Author: crusty range milk (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26737676) |
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Date: November 17th, 2014 2:03 PM Author: curious personal credit line the Supreme Court has stated that race CAN be used as one of many factors in admissions. It cannot be the decisive or primary factor. It will be hard to prove that a private university such as Harvard practiced discrimination against Asians since even with the overwhelming data present, Harvard will simply say that there are too many qualified Asian applicants and that the school takes into account the overall class composition when accepting students. They will also say that the Asian students who were denied admission were deficient in other areas of their application. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26737720) |
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Date: November 17th, 2014 2:14 PM Author: crusty range milk (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26737783) |
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Date: November 17th, 2014 2:18 PM Author: curious personal credit line DESCRIBE the implications if SCOTUS hears this and rules on behalf of the plaintiff. Will it be a game changer on par with Bakke? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26737805) |
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Date: November 17th, 2014 2:24 PM Author: crusty range milk (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26737835) |
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Date: November 17th, 2014 2:28 PM Author: curious personal credit line even if the court rules in favor of the plaintiff, the issue seems to be enforcement. the court will never say that race cannot be used AT ALL during admissions, merely that it cannot be the sole or decisive factor. given that, how will the court make sure that HUG is in line with that ruling? will HUG need to show that the grades and test scores of other ethnic groups are more in line with asians'? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26737856) |
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Date: November 17th, 2014 2:36 PM Author: crusty range milk (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26737882) |
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Date: November 17th, 2014 2:43 PM Author: curious personal credit line if the argument is that race should not be used at all, do they think that other factors such as gender, geography, socioeconomic status, also should not be taken into account? by excluding race, can one argue that this is a slippery slope whereby a private university is prevented from crafting a class it deems fit?
again, i agree with the plaintiffs but playing devil's advocate here. |
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Date: November 17th, 2014 2:50 PM Author: crusty range milk (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26737942) |
Date: November 17th, 2014 1:47 PM Author: Diverse Famous Landscape Painting Twinkling Uncleanness Ha going to love libs arguing it's ok to keep Asians out. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26737631) |
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Date: November 17th, 2014 1:48 PM Author: Misanthropic space hissy fit lol this is going to be great (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26737635) |
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Date: November 17th, 2014 2:01 PM Author: marvelous half-breed plaza Once you lay naked the obvious anti-Asian bias...they'll be lost to liberal causes and may likely become politically active at their kids getting fucked over. Good luck libs! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26737703) |
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Date: November 17th, 2014 1:50 PM Author: Misanthropic space hissy fit SFFA has at least one member (“Applicant”) who applied for and was denied admission to Harvard’s 2014 entering class. Blum Dec. ¶ 4. 16. Applicant is Asian American. Blum Dec. ¶ 5. 17. Applicant’s parents are first-generation immigrants to the United States from China. Blum Dec. ¶ 6. 18. Applicant graduated from high school ranked 1 out of 460 students by weighted and un-weighted grade point average. Blum Dec. ¶ 7. 19. U.S. News and World Report ranks Applicant’s high school in the top 5 percent of all high schools in the United States. Blum Dec. ¶ 8. 20. Applicant achieved a perfect score of 36 on the ACT. Applicant achieved a perfect score of 800 for SAT II History and a perfect score of 800 for SAT II Math. Among other academic achievements, Applicant was named an AP Scholar with distinction, a National Scholar, and a National Merit Scholarship semifinalist. Blum Dec. ¶¶ 9-10. 21. While in high school, Applicant participated in numerous extracurricular and volunteer activities. Among other things, Applicant was captain of the varsity tennis team, volunteered at a community tennis camp, volunteered for the high school’s student peer tutoring program, was a volunteer fundraiser for National Public Radio, and traveled to China as part of a program organized by the United States Consulate General and Chinese American Students Education and Exchange to assist students in learning English writing and presentation skills. Blum Dec. ¶ 11. 8 22. Applicant was denied the opportunity to compete for admission to Harvard on equal footing with other applicants on the basis of race or ethnicity due to Harvard’s discriminatory admissions policies. Blum Dec. ¶ 12. 23. Applicant was accepted to and has enrolled at a university that is ranked in the Top 20 in the nation by U.S. News and World Report. That university does not grant an admissions preference on the basis of race or ethnicity. Blum Dec. ¶ 13. 24. ceases the use discrimination 25. Applicant is ready, able, and intends to seek to transfer to Harvard when it of race or ethnicity as an admissions preference and ceases its intentional against Asian Americans. Blum Dec. ¶ 14. |
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Date: November 17th, 2014 1:51 PM Author: Misanthropic space hissy fit 47. In 1920, in a letter to William Hocking, a Harvard philosophy professor, President Lowell wrote that the increasing number of Jewish students enrolling at Harvard would ultimately “ruin the college.” 48. To combat this “Jewish problem,” President Lowell sought to institute a cap on Jewish enrollment in each entering class. 49. In his letter to Hocking, President Lowell stated that the best approach would be “to state frankly that we thought we could do the most good by not admitting more than a certain proportion of men in a group that did not intermingle with the rest, and give our reasons for it to the public.” According to Lowell, “[e]xperience seems to place that proportion at about 15%.” |
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Date: November 17th, 2014 1:52 PM Author: Misanthropic space hissy fit By the spring of 1922, the proportion of Jewish students had reached 21.5 percent. President Lowell warned that unless immediate measures were taken “the danger would seem to be imminent.” (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26737655) |
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Date: November 17th, 2014 1:57 PM Author: curious personal credit line who is this lawyer? is he a hack, or does he have serious credentials? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26737678) |
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Date: November 17th, 2014 2:02 PM Author: crusty range milk (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26737709) |
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Date: November 17th, 2014 2:04 PM Author: curious personal credit line the first guy is legit as fuck. summa at HLS is virtually impossible; only done a handful of times. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26737726) |
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Date: November 17th, 2014 5:20 PM Author: awkward sneaky criminal deer antler jjc, i hear he still regrets he didn't get an mba at harvard and is often seen outside HBS parties with a longing look on his face (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26738884) |
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Date: November 17th, 2014 8:57 PM Author: violent gas station sex offender (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26740099) |
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Date: November 17th, 2014 8:42 PM Author: crusty range milk (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26740002) |
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Date: November 17th, 2014 1:59 PM Author: Misanthropic space hissy fit I fucking love this brief. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26737688) |
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Date: November 17th, 2014 9:06 PM Author: violent gas station sex offender Brief?
It's a fucking complaint.
So much for "a short and plain statement of the claim showing that the pleader is entitled to relief." |
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Date: November 17th, 2014 2:02 PM Author: Erotic Hospital I have reservations about AA, but good luck proving this kid would have been admitted to H but for being Asian. This lawyer had the same problem with the Fisher plaintiff. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26737706) |
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Date: November 17th, 2014 2:05 PM Author: curious personal credit line i HATE AA, but that asian kid's resume is subpar by HUG non-urm standards. pretty much every asian kid i know who got into HUG had stronger resumes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26737729) |
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Date: November 17th, 2014 2:05 PM Author: Erotic Hospital yea I was not impressed (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26737730) |
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Date: November 17th, 2014 2:21 PM Author: Buck-toothed toilet seat ....so in other words if you're Asian it's basically impossible to get into HUG with outlandishly stellar creds despite being a minority with a history of repression by whitey that literally includes slavery in the late 19th c. and being put in concentration camps in the mid-20th c.
sounds like you're making the argument for p side |
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Date: November 17th, 2014 2:24 PM Author: curious personal credit line dude, i'm MAF about this, and yes, that's exactly what i'm saying. i applied to colleges more than a decade ago and had better credentials than this asian bro except that my test scores were a bit lower. i got dinged at HYPS (no waitlist) and had to settle for a non-hyp ivy.
my cousin went to arguably the best magnet high school in california, was valedictorian, had around 2300 on the SAT, and tons of leadership and awards and he got dinged at Harvard, Stanford, MIT, and Columbia. Now he did go to Princeton, so things worked out for him but still, you get my point. |
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Date: November 17th, 2014 2:38 PM Author: talking tank out the HS please (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26737898) |
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Date: November 17th, 2014 3:01 PM Author: zombie-like effete box office tbf the valedictorian of the "best magnet in california" would have a 2400. that means you're basically ultimate pro king of the superstudyazns (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26738023) |
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Date: November 17th, 2014 2:58 PM Author: Wine feces Please, indentured servitude and internment camps. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26737994) |
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Date: November 17th, 2014 2:06 PM Author: Mint supple office Fisher was borderline. Here: Valedictorian, 1600/36, ECs, good high school.
How many AA or Hispanics with those numbers were dinged? Probably zero. |
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Date: November 17th, 2014 2:07 PM Author: talking tank not 1600; he got 800s on two SAT II subject tests (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26737746) |
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Date: November 17th, 2014 2:33 PM Author: Mint supple office Don't they count ACT same as SAT but you still have to take SAT II? Been so long for me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26737871) |
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Date: November 17th, 2014 2:38 PM Author: curious personal credit line correct. you still have to take 2 SAT II subject tests (i think 3 if you did not take the SAT I but not sure). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26737894) |
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Date: November 17th, 2014 2:08 PM Author: curious personal credit line i agree that a black or hispanic with the EXACT same credentials would have gotten into HUG, but that's irrelevant when making a legal argument. the fact is that you're competing against those from the same demographic/geographic background, and HUG will simply say that the kid was strong but weak compared to the Asians who got into HUG. they will also say that despite being 5% of the u.s. population, asians are 20% of HUG. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26737752) |
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Date: November 17th, 2014 2:17 PM Author: crusty range milk (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26737802) |
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Date: November 17th, 2014 2:22 PM Author: Costumed Resort jjc commenting on law, fascinating (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26737822) |
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Date: November 17th, 2014 2:08 PM Author: crusty range milk (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26737748) |
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Date: November 17th, 2014 2:22 PM Author: Buck-toothed toilet seat her problem was that she was a certifiable moron who actually couldn't have gotten into Texas in absence of AA (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26737821) |
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Date: November 17th, 2014 2:25 PM Author: crusty range milk (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26737847) |
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Date: November 17th, 2014 9:08 PM Author: violent gas station sex offender "but good luck proving this kid would have been admitted to H but for being Asian. This lawyer had the same problem with the Fisher plaintiff."
I thought the issue was whether the applicant was given a fair shake, not whether the plaintiff would have been admitted. |
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Date: November 17th, 2014 2:03 PM Author: Red Provocative Step-uncle's House Liquid Oxygen 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26737719) |
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Date: November 18th, 2014 1:07 PM Author: crusty range milk (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26743786) |
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Date: November 17th, 2014 2:35 PM Author: Carmine parlor His ECs were weak. The only real one was tennis and he wasn't good enough to be recruited for it. The rest was resume-padding bullshit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26737880) |
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Date: November 17th, 2014 2:38 PM Author: crusty range milk (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26737897) |
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Date: November 17th, 2014 2:55 PM Author: Wine feces Subject: Unrelated, but Until very recently, YLS published class profiles that revealed that they regularly reject nearly half of 175+/3.75+ applicants. Chances are that these rejects are all Asians who end up at CLS with half-tuition scholly? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26737979) |
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Date: November 17th, 2014 2:58 PM Author: curious personal credit line wouldn't be surprised at all. i have 2 buddies (one asian, one white) who were dinged from YLS with those numbers from HYPS undergrads. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26737996) |
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Date: November 17th, 2014 4:57 PM Author: crusty range milk (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26738738) |
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Date: November 17th, 2014 9:31 PM Author: Mint supple office GPA whoring at law schools makes no sense. STEM and non-grade inflated schools get PWNed by English majors at Brown. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26740304) |
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Date: November 17th, 2014 5:19 PM Author: Misanthropic space hissy fit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26738879) |
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Date: November 17th, 2014 6:50 PM Author: crusty range milk (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26739414) |
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Date: November 17th, 2014 6:52 PM Author: curious personal credit line are liberals talking about this case? pretty quiet regarding this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26739426) |
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Date: November 17th, 2014 7:50 PM Author: Misanthropic space hissy fit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26739670) |
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Date: November 17th, 2014 8:33 PM Author: crusty range milk (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26739958) |
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Date: November 18th, 2014 12:12 AM Author: Ruddy Trip Shrine (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2730390&forum_id=2#26741845) |