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I cannot convey in words how life changing quitting biglaw is.
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Date: November 28th, 2014 2:29 PM Author: Anal locus This is what happened to me:
http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2528381&mc=145&forum_id=2#25304763
Took a new job (which, to be fair, is a 180 job) and my life is completely different. I don't fear going to work any more. I like the people I work with. I get to go home and have dinner with my wife and not feel like this a rare thing. I am not constantly working remotely to try to "get ahead" of the pile of shit that is on my desk. I don't have to waste 2 hrs every weekend billing my time.
From a personal level, I always thought I was pretty laid back even in big law. Even so, since quitting, my anger levels have gone down, and my relationship with my family has improved. I have reconnected with my school friends who I had lost contact with since I joined biglaw. Basically, I feel like a normal person. Someone on here wrote about how quitting biglaw they felt like that pushed back their first heart attack by 20 years. That's exactly how I fell.
I stayed in biglaw for a long time - I basically needed a partner who I had worked my ass off for to tell me that I was "difficult to work with" as a setup for NO BREAKFAST to realize how bad my job was. I was always the first one to think that people who complained about biglaw were just lazy / immature / never had another job / ungrateful bitches. Now I understand. The job is tortuous. In order to make partner, you need to become a certain type of person. Yes, they pay you well, but you are selling your soul. The money really isn't worth it.
Some of you will be like "oh you were shown the door LOL I am going to make it and it is going to be great to laugh at all the bitches who didn't." I feel sorry for you. I hope you figure it out quicker than I did.
I am very thankful for my new life, and of course for all of my XOXO bros. I hope you all have a happy holiday season. God bless. |
Date: November 28th, 2014 2:33 PM Author: buck-toothed state twinkling uncleanness (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2741695&forum_id=2#26817269) |
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Date: November 28th, 2014 2:34 PM Author: Provocative disgusting lodge haunted graveyard Same here man and I left after a very very short stint. I've never regretted it even though I've made a lot less and I've never met anyone or even heard of anyone who regretted leaving. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2741695&forum_id=2#26817274) |
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Date: November 28th, 2014 2:35 PM Author: Anal locus The sad thing is I have known people who have gone back to biglaw after quitting. I would be so fucking depressed if I lost my job and my only option was to go work at Kirkland Ellis or some shit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2741695&forum_id=2#26817279) |
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Date: November 28th, 2014 2:36 PM Author: Provocative disgusting lodge haunted graveyard I would never consider it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2741695&forum_id=2#26817284) |
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Date: November 28th, 2014 2:37 PM Author: Aphrodisiac giraffe whorehouse This, everyone who leaves never looks back. It truly is one of the most horrible jerbs u can have (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2741695&forum_id=2#26817289) |
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Date: November 28th, 2014 2:40 PM Author: spruce abnormal theater stage deer antler explain how partners manage to continue to work in biglaw for decades. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2741695&forum_id=2#26817303) |
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Date: November 28th, 2014 2:41 PM Author: Anal locus 1. ((()))
2. Old money with desperate need to keep up appearances
3. Sociopaths
4. Nothing else to live for |
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Date: November 28th, 2014 2:41 PM Author: Provocative disgusting lodge haunted graveyard I only feel pity for them that they've wasted their lives in biglaw. That said I do think it gets better for partners especially ones with books as they mostly just delegate work. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2741695&forum_id=2#26817306) |
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Date: November 28th, 2014 2:44 PM Author: talented idea he suggested They boomed their way up in the 90's. 7 Years of 1600 with no blackberry then they get to boss everyone around and go to the hamptons on the weekend. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2741695&forum_id=2#26817316) |
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Date: November 28th, 2014 2:44 PM Author: Aphrodisiac giraffe whorehouse This, the older partners are SPS and didnt have to deal with half the BS of today's partners (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2741695&forum_id=2#26817322) |
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Date: November 28th, 2014 2:44 PM Author: Aphrodisiac giraffe whorehouse They get trapped, have mental issues, and are majorly risk adverse.
Say someone is 31 and wants to leave but has wife and kids and faggot mortgage. They are too pussy to leave.
So the stay and tell themselves they'll do it two more years, then that becomes 30. Most BIGLAW partners have mental health issues for sure. You have to in order to do that jerb |
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Date: November 28th, 2014 8:00 PM Author: cream becky kitty cat It used to be a great job. One partner told me back in the day you didn't even really bill by the hour, let alone the 6 minute increment (ljl). You would just come up with a fee and send them a bill and they just paid it in a gentlemanly fashion. We can probably blame the jews somehow for everything changing.
Now you have to be a psychopath. |
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Date: November 28th, 2014 2:43 PM Author: 180 Irate Theater Factory Reset Button can you give any info on the kind of job you switched to, why it's a 180 job, and what the pay is like? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2741695&forum_id=2#26817310) |
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Date: November 28th, 2014 2:48 PM Author: Anal locus I admittedly got very lucky. I was in biglaw a long time and was fortunate to have a pretty good network. Fortuitously, a group in my industry at a client of mine was looking for a senior lawyer to join in a business/structuring role. It was exactly the type of job I was looking for. I then got super lucky that people in my network knew people in this group and were able to put in a good word for me. The timing was brilliant. I was worried I would have to play out the 2 years and then counsel game, but luckily I was able to bounce. No one at my biglaw firm made much of an effort to retain me after i told them about the job offer, which only confirmed how hopeless my situation was there.
It's 180 because its exactly what I wanted to do, I am technically not a lawyer anymore, and because it pays well. The people I work for are crazy but its all good. Pay was initially a major bump from biglaw, but with the new bonus scale its now only a modest bump. |
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Date: November 28th, 2014 2:51 PM Author: buck-toothed state twinkling uncleanness this is a best case scenario. good job. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2741695&forum_id=2#26817355) |
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Date: November 28th, 2014 2:44 PM Author: Silver theatre trump supporter congrats bro (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2741695&forum_id=2#26817314) |
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Date: November 28th, 2014 2:46 PM Author: Up-to-no-good space double fault Tell us more about how this dick partner you gave up your best years for threw you under the breakfast bus (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2741695&forum_id=2#26817331) |
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Date: November 28th, 2014 2:50 PM Author: Anal locus Not his fault. He literally had no power
Making partner is all about impressing the right people and having the right partners fight for you. I impressed who I was working with but their business unit was not profitable enough and they had no sway with the rest of the firm. So basically they needed to invest reasons why I wasn't good enough for the job, because they couldn't admit that there was no chance because of business reasons. |
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Date: August 13th, 2018 11:38 AM Author: maize therapy A lot of people don't realize this.
Making partner is a lot about luck and situation, way moreso than they tell you. |
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Date: August 13th, 2018 11:50 AM Author: Anal locus the part that annoyed me the most is the need for them to keep up the fantasy that it is purely objective and purely up to whether you are willing to work hard enough to achieve it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2741695&forum_id=2#36608498) |
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Date: August 13th, 2018 11:52 AM Author: maize therapy lack of honesty and transparency is a huge problem for me, but that extends past biglaw into most large corps today. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2741695&forum_id=2#36608516) |
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Date: August 13th, 2018 11:54 AM Author: Anal locus yes of course, it's a problem wherever you go. The law firm people were much worse at playing the game, and it was much more institutionalized, but some aspect of the lack of honesty is true in any job. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2741695&forum_id=2#36608533) |
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Date: November 28th, 2014 2:47 PM Author: cyan field lettuce Thanks for the post man. There were times when I'd think "man should I try to go into biglol?" (i skipped it completely) and posts like this always got me out of the fun. I mean, I'd never do it NOW because the money isn't tempting, so your post isn't having an immediate effect on my emotional state, but anyone who posts an anti-BIGLOL screed like this should be thanked every time, because people who don't need the message know it's truth, and the young ones don't yet know how helpful your message is going to be in a couple years when they're ready for BIGCYANIDECONSUMPTION. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2741695&forum_id=2#26817339) |
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Date: November 28th, 2014 2:49 PM Author: Vivacious rose hairy legs chad ljl biglaw is fucking easy you dork (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2741695&forum_id=2#26817345) |
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Date: November 28th, 2014 4:31 PM Author: Vivacious rose hairy legs chad (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2741695&forum_id=2#26817789) |
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Date: November 28th, 2014 3:05 PM Author: Glittery bawdyhouse OP's problem was he was pushing himself on the partner track. Those people have it bad.
The survivalists who avoid work when they can and don't take criticism that doesn't truly impact how soon they get fired are in a much better mental space.
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Date: November 28th, 2014 4:41 PM Author: Anal locus Bro, part of the reason why I lasted so long was because I didn't give two shits about anything. I certainly didn't work as hard as my SUPERSTUDYAZN compatriots.
I was a little lazy about finding another job, so I stuck around and just collected the paychecks. I thought things were relatively ok. The point of the OP is that I didn't realize how horrible things really were until I quit. |
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Date: November 28th, 2014 5:04 PM Author: Glittery bawdyhouse I stand corrected.
I haven't gotten any emails today, but I've still been looking at my phone to make sure. That sort of thing is psychologically draining. |
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Date: November 28th, 2014 7:31 PM Author: Kink-friendly titillating public bath i got shitcanned and my post-biglaw job isn't nearly as lucrative as yours, but i'm still deeply fucking grateful that i'm out. i am ashamed of the way i treated my family and friends when i was in biglaw. some people can handle it, either because they're better people than me or they just don't have anyone in their life to be an asshole to, but i couldn't. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2741695&forum_id=2#26818848) |
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Date: August 13th, 2018 11:28 AM Author: Anal locus #MAGA (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2741695&forum_id=2#36608357) |
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Date: August 13th, 2018 11:34 AM Author: Free-loading Smoky Pozpig 180 brother. Do you still like your Inhouse job (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2741695&forum_id=2#36608394) |
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Date: August 13th, 2018 11:51 AM Author: Anal locus yea... it's still work but i think i've added 10 years onto my lifespan. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2741695&forum_id=2#36608512) |
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Date: August 13th, 2018 11:30 AM Author: Godawful house ladyboy Six years in biglaw, five years out. Would never go back (not that, at this point, I could even if I wanted). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2741695&forum_id=2#36608369) |
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Date: August 13th, 2018 11:31 AM Author: Anal locus sure you could, the "of counsel" position has been reborn (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2741695&forum_id=2#36608376) |
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Date: August 13th, 2018 11:32 AM Author: Godawful house ladyboy Really? Well in that case, I just don't want to. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2741695&forum_id=2#36608379) |
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Date: August 13th, 2018 11:40 AM Author: Sapphire Office biglaw is just a normal job. if you hate biglaw, you'll hate most jobs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2741695&forum_id=2#36608433) |
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Date: August 13th, 2018 11:45 AM Author: Anal locus lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2741695&forum_id=2#36608468) |
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Date: August 13th, 2018 11:47 AM Author: Sapphire Office it's true (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2741695&forum_id=2#36608479) |
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Date: August 13th, 2018 11:50 AM Author: Anal locus except i've had jobs outside of biglaw and biglaw was different (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2741695&forum_id=2#36608500) |
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Date: August 13th, 2018 12:06 PM Author: Sapphire Office me too, and biglaw is just the same shit as everywhere else (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2741695&forum_id=2#36608621) |
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Date: August 13th, 2018 11:52 AM Author: Charcoal tanning salon digit ratio (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2741695&forum_id=2#36608519) |
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Date: August 13th, 2018 11:47 AM Author: Bat shit crazy cracking corner psychic (guy addicted to that tutu pipe) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2741695&forum_id=2#36608478) |
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Date: August 13th, 2018 11:52 AM Author: Godawful house ladyboy This is bullshit, I've been both biglaw and in-house. In-house is *nothing* like biglaw. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2741695&forum_id=2#36608518) |
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Date: August 13th, 2018 11:54 AM Author: thriller yapping piazza personal credit line cr only one is full of high T jacked alphas actually PRACTICING law (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2741695&forum_id=2#36608538) |
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Date: August 13th, 2018 11:55 AM Author: Charcoal tanning salon digit ratio (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2741695&forum_id=2#36608541) |
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Date: August 13th, 2018 12:06 PM Author: Godawful house ladyboy cr, law teens don't even return my texts any more. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2741695&forum_id=2#36608623) |
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Date: August 13th, 2018 12:07 PM Author: Sapphire Office i'm phone posting from biglaw right now. it's nbd (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2741695&forum_id=2#36608626) |
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Date: August 13th, 2018 12:56 PM Author: opaque heady native degenerate cr. lol at the people who fall for the "chill midlaw" and "9-5 inhouse" siren songs that are horrified to learn they'll be working comparable hours doing shittier work for shittier clients for a third of the pay and half the job security.
biglaw sucks (had an all-nighter last night, in fact) but there are few better ways to make money while young and if you've got a ride-or-die bitch you get into a groove. |
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Date: August 13th, 2018 1:04 PM Author: Odious regret LOL. Glad I didn't listen to this. Now I'm a partner in mid-law, make $700-800k a year, and usually bill 1800-1900 hours with mostly sane and reasonable clients who don't like to work weekends. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2741695&forum_id=2#36608893) |
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Date: August 13th, 2018 1:06 PM Author: lavender violent site How much more time (compared to biglaw) do you put in on business development? Seems like that's more of a burden for midlaw firms. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2741695&forum_id=2#36608902) |
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Date: August 13th, 2018 1:10 PM Author: Odious regret Some, but its shit like playing golf and going to dinner, shooting the shit on the phone and taking people out sailing and to baseball games. I like people, so it isn't exactly work.
And now that I have my own clients, I control my life. Could leave my firm today with at least 120 hours a month of my own work....probably should do that, now that I think about it.
In biglaw you have no control over your life. You are a slave to the machine.
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Date: August 13th, 2018 1:13 PM Author: lavender violent site Good work, bro. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2741695&forum_id=2#36608938) |
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Date: August 13th, 2018 1:08 PM Author: opaque heady native degenerate nice flame.
any young lawyers that somehow read this board: this is the siren song I'm talking about. this job does not exist. |
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Date: August 13th, 2018 1:11 PM Author: Odious regret yet, mine does exist. weird.
It isn't for everyone though. I'm personable and sound like I know what I'm talking about and instill confidence with my advice. Most nebbish big law shut ins aren't going to be able to build their own practice like me. |
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Date: August 13th, 2018 2:06 PM Author: thriller yapping piazza personal credit line just do have a biglaw partner dad to feed u business, one weird trick (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2741695&forum_id=2#36609229) |
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Date: August 13th, 2018 2:08 PM Author: Odious regret LOL. No one has fed me any business, except friends who I made from my time in biglaw (and who also left and went on to better things)....You folks are such victims.... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2741695&forum_id=2#36609245) |
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Date: August 13th, 2018 2:09 PM Author: thriller yapping piazza personal credit line jfc you're such a boomer (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2741695&forum_id=2#36609254) |
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Date: August 13th, 2018 1:04 PM Author: Charcoal tanning salon digit ratio (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2741695&forum_id=2#36608897) |
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Date: August 13th, 2018 11:57 AM Author: crimson cerebral step-uncle's house place of business Congrats brother. Its such a great feeling to GTFO. Fuck biglol and every partner in it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2741695&forum_id=2#36608553) |
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Date: August 13th, 2018 12:03 PM Author: thriller yapping piazza personal credit line If I had stayed in biglaw I could've paid off my mortgage by now (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2741695&forum_id=2#36608601) |
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Date: August 13th, 2018 12:06 PM Author: Charcoal tanning salon digit ratio You’re in a much better position than if you had been Shitlaw the whole time (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2741695&forum_id=2#36608616) |
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Date: August 13th, 2018 12:12 PM Author: Free-loading Smoky Pozpig ITT: losers who couldn’t cop dat brikkfuss (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2741695&forum_id=2#36608654) |
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Date: August 13th, 2018 1:37 PM Author: exhilarant iridescent trust fund parlour Congrats! Glad to hear it’s all working out. At this point I’ve been out of biglaw longer than I have in biglaw and I didn’t even have a particularly bad experience, but just the feeling of having a slow week and knowing you need to make it up at some future point was always so awful. Billing is the worst. Now I don’t check email or work weekends. I see emails from partners sent at 10-11pm at night, not just associates. It just never stops for them. I get home at 5:30. I’m on kid #2 and I thank my lucky stars everyday I don’t have to be chained to my blackberry. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2741695&forum_id=2#36609079) |
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Date: August 13th, 2018 4:54 PM Author: wonderful dun jap ljl at giving up a collegial working environment and lean staffing by quitting biglaw (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2741695&forum_id=2#36610262) |
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Date: August 13th, 2018 11:31 PM Author: shivering boyish box office (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2741695&forum_id=2#36612960) |
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Date: August 14th, 2018 12:37 AM Author: Wine federal rehab (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2741695&forum_id=2#36613365) |
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Date: August 14th, 2018 9:55 AM Author: Fuchsia big pit Can you expound on how you were difficult to work with? Did you ask what that meant?
Is it just maybe possible you were in fact difficult to work with? |
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Date: August 14th, 2018 11:55 AM Author: exhilarant iridescent trust fund parlour Lol being difficult to work with is basically a prerequisite to making partner. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2741695&forum_id=2#36614875) |
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Date: August 14th, 2018 11:59 AM Author: sepia coiffed ratface striped hyena That's one of those great things that sounds terrible but no one has any reasonable examples or ways to improve. Jk was right to get the fuck out. Kind of an ironic pity that someone that introspective and responsive is the one they don't want to keep |
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Date: August 14th, 2018 11:56 AM Author: snowy electric indian lodge milk ljl @ big lolyers (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2741695&forum_id=2#36614881) |
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Date: December 10th, 2020 7:16 PM Author: Anal locus I read this thread and I don’t understand how I lasted so long in biglaw (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2741695&forum_id=2#41522942) |