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Date: January 25th, 2015 2:00 PM Author: carmine flatulent base (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2791376&forum_id=2#27183179) |
Date: January 25th, 2015 3:08 PM Author: judgmental dilemma why not just the econ PhD -> academia.. in school 4 life (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2791376&forum_id=2#27183618) |
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Date: January 25th, 2015 3:13 PM Author: Drab locale much easier to get a great academic job at a law school with a respected PhD/JD combo that it is to get an adequate job at a non-shit college with a great Econ PhD. Legal academia is competitive, but non-legal academia is lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2791376&forum_id=2#27183657) |
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Date: January 25th, 2015 3:14 PM Author: Swashbuckling Pearly Range the law professor market is contracting rapidly as ttt enrollment plunges. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2791376&forum_id=2#27183669) |
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Date: January 25th, 2015 3:14 PM Author: judgmental dilemma LOL flame? Law schools are decline. Hiring is not good. OTOH, more and more students are doing econ or businesss related degrees. Easier to cop a tenure track gig at a business school w/ an econ phd than trying to get a tenure track law jerb. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2791376&forum_id=2#27183671) |
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Date: January 25th, 2015 3:22 PM Author: Drab locale Any Econ PhD who has good enough credentials to be a borderline candidate for a tenure track job (that is, a stellar applicant) will have an easier time getting a at a law school if he were to add-on an HYS JD. Getting a legit tenure track job in an econ department is ridiculous. Most new academics are just perpetual adjuncts these days. Law school hiring may be shit, but they haven't gone the adjunct route. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2791376&forum_id=2#27183729) |
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Date: January 25th, 2015 4:00 PM Author: maniacal spruce garrison coffee pot Are you really that naive? Granted, I'm not that familiar with the job market for econ PhD's, but I can't possibly imagine that it's worse than the job market for entry-level law professors. Unless you're some kind of crazy person who publishes several Science/Nature papers while you're in law school, realistically you need to do several VAP positions before you have any hope of landing a tenure-track law teaching job. VAP's are basically just adjunct positions, and the vast majority of people who take them will never land a tenure-track job. (Hence the term "VAP trap.") And once you have a VAP position on your resume, your legal career is also over. No legal employer will hire you because you look like a flight risk to academia. I have known COA clerks who graduated summa from T14's that are now stuck in the VAP trap with no hope of finding permanent employment inside or outside of academia. Moreover, anyone with the credentials to get a HYS JD probably has the credentials to be admitted to a non-shit econ PhD program where the placement record is actually decent. Getting an add-on JD to increase one's chances of finding a law teaching job is an absolutely terrible idea. The only scenario where it makes sense at all to do a JD/PhD is if you want to use biglaw as a backup option if you don't land a tenure-track job. And even that is risky because you'll have to convince legal employers that you're not going to try to leave for academia at your first opportunity. I have a friend who was a median JD/PhD student at HYS who struck out at OCI, and he got asked about the PhD in every single interview. So I have a hard time recommending this approach to very many people. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2791376&forum_id=2#27183945) |
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Date: January 25th, 2015 11:41 PM Author: Multi-colored business firm ti, oc, tcr. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2791376&forum_id=2#27187091) |
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Date: January 26th, 2015 12:07 AM Author: Azure House Only thing stopping them is ABA regs. Every law school south of 30 or so would stop hiring tenure track immediately and those 100 on down would fire every tenure track they had and staff up with adjuncts who teach for $1000 a credit hour and donate more than they are paid. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2791376&forum_id=2#27187290) |
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Date: January 25th, 2015 3:16 PM Author: Jet-lagged Degenerate what level of law school? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2791376&forum_id=2#27183682) |
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Date: January 25th, 2015 3:17 PM Author: gold wrinkle academia fantasies are too prevalent here. do people not understand the concept/implications of tenure? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2791376&forum_id=2#27183694) |
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Date: January 25th, 2015 3:19 PM Author: Swashbuckling Pearly Range 4 hr work weeks for 150k? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2791376&forum_id=2#27183711) |
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Date: January 25th, 2015 3:25 PM Author: gold wrinkle tenure is BY boomers FOR boomers. academia doesn't apply to you and doesn't exist as far as youre concerned. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2791376&forum_id=2#27183744) |
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Date: January 25th, 2015 3:34 PM Author: judgmental dilemma to be fair, 1/2 the fantasy is just getting to go back to school for 5-6 yrs.. but yeah that would suck balls to be mid to late 30s with a recent PhD, get NOACADEMIA'd, and at best be stuck in some shit consulting jerb, at worst stuck as an adjunct making peanuts (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2791376&forum_id=2#27183790) |
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Date: January 29th, 2015 1:14 PM Author: trip greedy spot mediation this is the dream right there (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2791376&forum_id=2#27209394) |
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Date: January 25th, 2015 3:18 PM Author: Unhinged crackhouse you could easily get a gig in econ consulting after that if for whatever reason you didn't want to do biglaw (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2791376&forum_id=2#27183710) |
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Date: January 25th, 2015 3:30 PM Author: judgmental dilemma you can get a gig in econ consulting after just the econ phd.. wtf do u need a law degree for (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2791376&forum_id=2#27183773) |
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Date: January 25th, 2015 3:34 PM Author: Unhinged crackhouse dat prestige. all things equal you could get a job at a better econ consulting firm and more money, and down the line it will help in business generation, and credibility before clients/court. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2791376&forum_id=2#27183789) |
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Date: January 25th, 2015 3:35 PM Author: judgmental dilemma the law degree wouldn't even help with anything.. the only thing that would actually help is if you somehow made it to mid level associate -> Econ PhD. you would actually know how experts are used and that would be useful (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2791376&forum_id=2#27183797) |
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Date: January 25th, 2015 3:43 PM Author: Unhinged crackhouse yes some experience in deposition prep etc would actually be useful, but expert witness is a prestige/credibility driven industry, and an extra JD makes the guy a LAW AND ECON EXPERT, which is helpful. It won't help in the grunt work, but down the line it will make him stand out. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2791376&forum_id=2#27183837) |
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Date: January 25th, 2015 3:45 PM Author: judgmental dilemma not really unless he did something with the degree, IMO. opposing counsel will just be like "so you got the degree. then what?"
"umm, well, i went to work at an economic consulting firm."
"oh okay. so you never practiced law, then?"
"no." |
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Date: January 25th, 2015 3:30 PM Author: appetizing abode multi-billionaire (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2791376&forum_id=2#27183774) |
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Date: January 25th, 2015 3:35 PM Author: Cyan Shitlib Messiness most law-bound PhDs do something in micro, where there's much less disagreement on fundamental approaches to the discipline as compared to macro (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2791376&forum_id=2#27183796) |
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Date: January 25th, 2015 3:36 PM Author: judgmental dilemma micro is more practical cuz u have dat fallback of industry if you cant get academia. macro bros are pwned (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2791376&forum_id=2#27183802) |
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Date: January 25th, 2015 3:47 PM Author: haunting new version resort name me one fundamental discovery of microeconomic science faggot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2791376&forum_id=2#27183861) |
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Date: January 25th, 2015 3:55 PM Author: Swashbuckling Pearly Range behavioral economics will continue to grow and pwn traditional ttt microeconomists like posner (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2791376&forum_id=2#27183918) |
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Date: January 25th, 2015 3:50 PM Author: haunting new version resort do a phd in organizational psychology instead and you can get a cushy biz school job with trivial garbage like this:
Rocking the Boat but Keeping It Steady: The Role of Emotion Regulation in Employee Voice Adam M. Grant
Intense emotions such as frustration, anger, and dissatisfaction often drive employees to speak up. Yet the very emotions that spur employees to express voice may compromise their ability to do so constructively, preventing managers from reacting favorably. I propose that to speak up frequently and constructively, employees need knowledge about effective strategies for managing emotions. Building on theories of emotion regulation, I develop a theoretical model that explains the role of managing emotions in the incidence and outcomes of voice. In a field study at a health care company, emotion regulation knowledge (1) predicted more frequent voice, (2) mediated by the emotional labor strategies of deep acting and surface acting, and (3) enhanced the contributions of voice to performance evaluations. These results did not generalize to helping behaviors, demonstrating that emotion regulation uniquely affects challenging but not affiliative interpersonal citizenship behaviors. This research introduces emotion regulation as a novel influence on voice and its consequences.
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Date: January 25th, 2015 4:09 PM Author: judgmental dilemma what's the point though. may as well just do 9-5 6 figure inhouse jerb if going to be doing dumb bullshit that is pointless. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2791376&forum_id=2#27183994) |
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Date: January 29th, 2015 1:15 PM Author: trip greedy spot mediation also this, except org behavior is one of the tougher b-school fields
if you want the highest salary/job availability, PhD in accounting > * |