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What is the best biglaw firm to work for
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Date: February 14th, 2015 2:00 AM Author: thirsty chrome spot becky (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2808149&forum_id=2#27312095) |
Date: February 14th, 2015 2:01 AM Author: Vigorous scourge upon the earth (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2808149&forum_id=2#27312096) |
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Date: February 14th, 2015 2:08 AM Author: submissive sex offender abode 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2808149&forum_id=2#27312130) |
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Date: February 14th, 2015 10:46 AM Author: Pale pit kitty cat (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2808149&forum_id=2#27312885) |
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Date: February 14th, 2015 2:52 PM Author: insecure box office cuckoldry (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2808149&forum_id=2#27314036) |
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Date: February 14th, 2015 3:43 PM Author: mauve thriller cruise ship cumskin (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2808149&forum_id=2#27314315) |
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Date: February 14th, 2015 2:05 AM Author: Olive orchestra pit Alston and Bird (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2808149&forum_id=2#27312109) |
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Date: February 14th, 2015 2:09 AM Author: Electric cowardly gas station Lewis brisbois bisgaard and smith (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2808149&forum_id=2#27312135) |
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Date: February 14th, 2015 12:05 PM Author: Bossy newt It's big. It's law.
But is it biglaw? |
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Date: February 14th, 2015 2:49 AM Author: dull comical jewess always though general consensus was dpw.
a sweatshop, yes, but best balance between exit options and not being completely intolerable.
covington d.c. and cleary gottlieb seem like they could be okay (the latter only if you're a certain kind of person). |
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Date: February 14th, 2015 2:50 AM Author: spectacular associate yeah i've also heard that dpw is pretty much the best to work for. also has the best looking people. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2808149&forum_id=2#27312303) |
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Date: February 14th, 2015 2:52 AM Author: Startling Bronze Keepsake Machete Parlor dpw was the consensus among the elite v firms pre-ITE. now, they're all equally intolerable (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2808149&forum_id=2#27312309) |
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Date: February 14th, 2015 4:43 PM Author: beady-eyed brunch i know someone at DPW getting killed (like working on Christmas day (non-Jew) for 12 hours, etc.). such is elite biglaw... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2808149&forum_id=2#27314620) |
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Date: February 14th, 2015 2:58 AM Author: Soul-stirring Kitty Range Mofo, GDC, or Latham. Dat chill Cali lyfestyle (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2808149&forum_id=2#27312328) |
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Date: February 14th, 2015 3:05 AM Author: cerebral headpube rehab LOLOLOLOLOOOLOLOL
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Date: February 14th, 2015 3:06 AM Author: Soul-stirring Kitty Range (Earl alt) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2808149&forum_id=2#27312364) |
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Date: February 14th, 2015 3:11 AM Author: spectacular associate I know nothing about Mofo, I've heard Latham is actually kind of chill despite the layoffs/sketchy reputation, but...GDC? I don't know man. All the GDC people I know are horrible. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2808149&forum_id=2#27312378) |
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Date: February 14th, 2015 3:12 AM Author: Soul-stirring Kitty Range GDC Denver seems chill (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2808149&forum_id=2#27312383) |
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Date: February 14th, 2015 3:12 AM Author: spectacular associate I mean, Denver in general seems chill (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2808149&forum_id=2#27312389) |
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Date: February 14th, 2015 3:11 AM Author: Startling Bronze Keepsake Machete Parlor what happened to that mofo SF litigation troll a couple years ago? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2808149&forum_id=2#27312382) |
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Date: February 14th, 2015 3:14 AM Author: Soul-stirring Kitty Range Idk, but it's true that mofo litigators dominate the after-work scene in SF, especially after another trial victory. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2808149&forum_id=2#27312395) |
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Date: February 14th, 2015 11:52 AM Author: Mildly autistic dysfunction Was strangled to death by a Wilson Sonsini CONVERTIBLEPIG (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2808149&forum_id=2#27313100) |
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Date: February 14th, 2015 3:11 AM Author: Pontificating Costumed State board consensus in the mid-2Ks was covington. what happened since then? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2808149&forum_id=2#27312381) |
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Date: February 14th, 2015 3:12 AM Author: Startling Bronze Keepsake Machete Parlor ITE (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2808149&forum_id=2#27312386) |
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Date: February 14th, 2015 5:18 AM Author: Chartreuse corner This was just not true. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2808149&forum_id=2#27312596) |
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Date: February 14th, 2015 8:59 AM Author: Mildly autistic dysfunction What's the problem (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2808149&forum_id=2#27312672) |
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Date: February 14th, 2015 3:23 AM Author: Naked plaza Whatever firm has an office in the tiniest backwoods location that still pays 160k. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2808149&forum_id=2#27312424) |
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Date: February 14th, 2015 3:49 AM Author: Sinister Gaping People Who Are Hurt yeah. surely cadwalader is the best biglaw firm to work for. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2808149&forum_id=2#27312477) |
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Date: February 14th, 2015 3:55 AM Author: Naked plaza It sure as hell isn't a firm that works NYC hours. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2808149&forum_id=2#27312489) |
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Date: February 14th, 2015 9:59 AM Author: Supple magenta native Cadwalader Charlotte is pretty straightforward in telling people it's NYC hours for NYC pay. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2808149&forum_id=2#27312724) |
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Date: February 14th, 2015 4:02 AM Author: Fiercely-loyal sooty quadroon chapel ti, oc, tcr. NYC biglaw = the worst biglaw. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2808149&forum_id=2#27312500) |
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Date: February 14th, 2015 4:42 PM Author: wild glassy parlour stain most silicon valley offices have average associate hours of around 1500 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2808149&forum_id=2#27314617) |
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Date: February 14th, 2015 4:43 PM Author: beady-eyed brunch link? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2808149&forum_id=2#27314623) |
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Date: February 14th, 2015 4:44 PM Author: wild glassy parlour stain just know this through word of mouth, tho you could probably look on nalp (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2808149&forum_id=2#27314631) |
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Date: February 14th, 2015 5:30 AM Author: curious sound barrier incel location matters a lot more than firm. all the NYC firms are similarly horrible. also be careful of the office that isn't really where it seems to be, i.e., a DC outpost of a NYC firm that gets the bulk of its work from NYC and has partners going between the two offices is going to be similar to a NYC firm, not a DC firm. same goes for clients, if the firm is in LA but its biggest client is a NYC PE fund, then it's probably going to be more like a NYC firm than a LA firm. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2808149&forum_id=2#27312604) |
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Date: February 14th, 2015 8:02 AM Author: Vivacious Love Of Her Life Mother my suspicion is that its probably somewhere like Morris Nichols or Richards Layton if you can handle not being in a real city (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2808149&forum_id=2#27312652) |
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Date: February 14th, 2015 8:29 AM Author: spectacular associate I know someone who worked at Morris Nichols for awhile - according to him there's not a lot of job security and it makes working there tense. Of course, that's just the perspective of one person, and I don't know anything about the actual workload. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2808149&forum_id=2#27312659) |
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Date: February 14th, 2015 5:16 PM Author: Irradiated swollen boiling water menage these places could be chill or sweatshops, I can't tell (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2808149&forum_id=2#27314876) |
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Date: February 14th, 2015 9:11 AM Author: Mildly autistic dysfunction The following offices are all one of the better compensated and more prestigious offices and groups, each in a certain kind of "chill" market:
Bass Berry Sims - Nashville - probably CRE group Jones Walker - New Orleans - litigation Jackson Walker - Austin - oil and gas Alston & Bird - Charlotte - ??? M&A ??? Latham - OC - securities lit |
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Date: February 14th, 2015 9:59 AM Author: Frum station mad-dog skullcap How do u have such broad knowledge of the industry my nikka (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2808149&forum_id=2#27312723) |
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Date: February 14th, 2015 11:51 AM Author: Mildly autistic dysfunction Just people places and things brother (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2808149&forum_id=2#27313097) |
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Date: February 14th, 2015 10:02 AM Author: Supple magenta native Alston & Bird is sweatshop dressed up as a regional firm. Far better options in Charlotte for lit - namely, Moore & Van Allen. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2808149&forum_id=2#27312728) |
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Date: February 14th, 2015 10:41 AM Author: Mildly autistic dysfunction actually ypu are 100% right on MVA in Charlotte. 100%.
I do know some chill bros who seem pretty happy at Alston- I don't mind charlotte as a city and was trying to think of a good place there. |
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Date: February 14th, 2015 4:43 PM Author: wild glassy parlour stain literally never heard of the first two firms (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2808149&forum_id=2#27314626) |
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Date: February 14th, 2015 10:21 AM Author: self-absorbed impertinent main people pozpig I forget the name of the LA firm that paid an average bonus of $700k a few years ago.
TCR is WLRK, Kellogg, Bancroft, one of the places where first-years are starting at over $300k. |
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Date: February 14th, 2015 10:36 AM Author: translucent theater stage prole Kellogg will work you to death (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2808149&forum_id=2#27312838) |
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Date: February 14th, 2015 2:43 PM Author: self-absorbed impertinent main people pozpig Apparently Kellogg gives a $175k signing bonus. So you could leave after a year crossing $500k. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2808149&forum_id=2#27313993) |
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Date: February 14th, 2015 3:42 PM Author: Marvelous hall You're thinking of Dovel & Luner LLP
http://dovellaw.com/salary-and-benefits.php |
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Date: February 14th, 2015 3:45 PM Author: self-absorbed impertinent main people pozpig That's the one. Robbins Geller also paid massive bonuses after the Visa case. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2808149&forum_id=2#27314327) |
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Date: February 14th, 2015 10:33 AM Author: Fluffy Onyx Office no BIGLAW firm is chill u faggots.. they all have the smae business models, working u to death.. and they all are run by greedy kikes... its the same shit everywhere... its just naive idiots saying this or that plcae is CHILL.. none of it is chill.. go fuking solo if u want chill (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2808149&forum_id=2#27312820) |
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Date: February 14th, 2015 10:43 AM Author: Mildly autistic dysfunction No they are not - it's different outside of NYC. NYC biglaw is purely toxic (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2808149&forum_id=2#27312864) |
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Date: February 14th, 2015 10:44 AM Author: Lemon twinkling uncleanness center jesus give it a rest you tired faggot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2808149&forum_id=2#27312869) |
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Date: February 14th, 2015 4:45 PM Author: Olive orchestra pit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2808149&forum_id=2#27314639) |
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Date: February 14th, 2015 4:47 PM Author: Sinister Gaping People Who Are Hurt Reminder: TT never worked a single day at biglaw. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2808149&forum_id=2#27314649) |
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Date: February 14th, 2015 10:35 AM Author: translucent theater stage prole Faegre Denver office (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2808149&forum_id=2#27312828) |
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Date: February 14th, 2015 10:45 AM Author: orchid haunted graveyard whorehouse allen allen allen allen (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2808149&forum_id=2#27312880) |
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Date: February 14th, 2015 11:54 AM Author: passionate brindle pisswyrm Cravath, Swaine & Moore. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2808149&forum_id=2#27313102) |
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Date: February 14th, 2015 4:02 PM Author: Marvelous hall That's Cravath, Swaine & Moore LLP to you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2808149&forum_id=2#27314391) |
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Date: February 14th, 2015 12:00 PM Author: Mind-boggling drunken hospital Littler Mendelson (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2808149&forum_id=2#27313124) |
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Date: February 14th, 2015 12:06 PM Author: Mildly autistic dysfunction Columbus office (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2808149&forum_id=2#27313143) |
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Date: February 14th, 2015 12:02 PM Author: Turquoise circlehead Weil Gotshal-Budapest (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2808149&forum_id=2#27313130) |
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Date: February 14th, 2015 12:16 PM Author: Lavender ticket booth half-breed Does no one on xoxo actually work at a big law firm?
There is no "best firm." The best place to work is whatever firm has a practice group with little work, but not so little work that you will get fired.
Who gives a shit about "Cravath"? Cravath is not a place. It is a conglomerate of literally almost 1000 law partners which are more or less completely separate entities. You may work for a partner with a lucrative practice who expects you to spend your lunches schmoozimg and babysitting clients and then lets you go home at six pm. You may end up working for a partner who makes up random tasks from you to drum up meaninglessness hours, and then make sure you ask him if it's okay to leave before 10 pm just in case he dreams up another way to bill useless hours. |
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Date: February 14th, 2015 2:37 PM Author: Disrespectful Fuchsia Piazza this is a 180 response, and should be read by every 2L interviewing for a firm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2808149&forum_id=2#27313948) |
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Date: February 14th, 2015 2:38 PM Author: curious sound barrier incel (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2808149&forum_id=2#27313955) |
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Date: February 14th, 2015 2:52 PM Author: Startling Bronze Keepsake Machete Parlor nothing you say is inherently wrong, but, tbf:
<<There is no "best firm." The best place to work is whatever firm has a practice group with little work, but not so little work that you will get fired.>>
totally correct, but this shit changes all the time. what was the case when you accepted your offer in october of 2L isn't gonna be the case 2 yrs later when you start working. it's impossible to predict what will happen that far out.
<<Who gives a shit about "Cravath"? Cravath is not a place. It is a conglomerate of literally almost 1000 law partners which are more or less completely separate entities. >>
also correct, but you don't know who you're going to end up working for. |
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Date: February 14th, 2015 4:47 PM Author: Olive orchestra pit Nothing you posted contradicts or is even relevant to his post (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2808149&forum_id=2#27314648) |
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Date: February 14th, 2015 4:56 PM Author: Sinister Gaping People Who Are Hurt You seem unintelligent. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2808149&forum_id=2#27314717) |
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Date: February 14th, 2015 4:47 PM Author: beady-eyed brunch i agree this is generally sound, except ironically for Cravath, which makes you rotate to a new practice group every 2 or 3 years. so you will work with more of the "firm" than at almost any other firm. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2808149&forum_id=2#27314650) |
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Date: February 14th, 2015 4:49 PM Author: Titillating senate yep
experiences range all across the board pretty much anywhere |
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Date: February 14th, 2015 3:45 PM Author: Poppy Aromatic Telephone Kirkland (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2808149&forum_id=2#27314325) |
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Date: February 14th, 2015 3:45 PM Author: Infuriating heady corn cake kirkland chicago.
great people, great work that while demanding really challenges you and opens up your mind |
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Date: February 14th, 2015 3:52 PM Author: Poppy Aromatic Telephone (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2808149&forum_id=2#27314352) |
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Date: February 14th, 2015 4:46 PM Author: Slate university friendly grandma shattering (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2808149&forum_id=2#27314644) |
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Date: February 14th, 2015 4:48 PM Author: Titillating senate on balance, this flame is in balance (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2808149&forum_id=2#27314659) |
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Date: February 14th, 2015 4:24 PM Author: flushed address travel guidebook the one that pays the biggest bonuses since it's all SPS. so i guess Kirkland. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2808149&forum_id=2#27314507) |
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Date: February 14th, 2015 4:49 PM Author: Slate university friendly grandma Quinn (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2808149&forum_id=2#27314661) |
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Date: February 14th, 2015 4:54 PM Author: Lavender ticket booth half-breed Lol at Quinn.
The fact that they have pay 50% bonuses to people billing 2099 hours would be frightening if the fact that the highest bonus range kicking in at 2700 hours wasn't more frightening.
http://abovethelaw.com/2014/12/associate-bonus-watch-quinn-emanuel-2014/ |
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Date: February 14th, 2015 4:50 PM Author: beady-eyed brunch Highly leveraged firms like Paul Weiss and Cleary (which are in fact more highly leveraged than their peers) are probably better because they are more apt to throw bodies at busy matters, spreading the workload.
the opposite of WLRK essentially where you do the work of 2 associates.
the downside is partnership chances are even worse, but you should write that off anyway as you are trying to do the minimum. |
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Date: February 14th, 2015 8:09 PM Author: pink duck-like location mood Yeah I think the same is true of skadden NYC. Has a terrible rep but I know some dudes who did their 3/4 years there and got away with a bunch of easy mindless drudgery, generally left by 7 with the random shitty weeks interspersed a few times a year and lateralled to good jobs after. That firm gets shit on here but is respected in most circles. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2808149&forum_id=2#27315736) |