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Date: February 27th, 2015 9:57 PM Author: twinkling pocket flask native What do they typically do? Do they just organize papers? Is there any writing involved? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2819253&forum_id=2#27403429) |
Date: February 27th, 2015 9:58 PM Author: Free-loading Hairraiser Haunted Graveyard i used to do some doc reviewing, i'd write something up summarizing what i saw. come to think of it i don't even know if you'd call what i do doc review. but there you have it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2819253&forum_id=2#27403433) |
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Date: February 27th, 2015 9:59 PM Author: twinkling pocket flask native How complicated was the reading? How many words did you write a day? How many hours per day? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2819253&forum_id=2#27403438) |
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Date: February 27th, 2015 10:00 PM Author: Free-loading Hairraiser Haunted Graveyard it wasn't the only thing i did, but it was a pretty big part of it, i wrote a few pages every week, if that, how many hours did i spend writing? maybe 5-6, of course half of those were fucking around hanging out with some chill korean bros and some hot korean girls. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2819253&forum_id=2#27403445) |
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Date: February 27th, 2015 9:58 PM Author: cobalt balding electric furnace redact, summarize, categorize,...same shit normal lawyers do during r.26 disclosures or notices to produce. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2819253&forum_id=2#27403435) |
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Date: February 27th, 2015 9:59 PM Author: Free-loading Hairraiser Haunted Graveyard sounds about right. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2819253&forum_id=2#27403440) |
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Date: February 27th, 2015 10:06 PM Author: pale gunner I have never done doc review, but one of my good buddies does it full time for a living. my understanding is that they sit at computer terminals and spend all day being presented with documents through that terminal. they must review each document and hit a button on the terminal, saying whether or not that document is relevant to the case at hand. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2819253&forum_id=2#27403478) |
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Date: February 27th, 2015 10:07 PM Author: Free-loading Hairraiser Haunted Graveyard alright... i never did that. holy fuck that sounds soul crushing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2819253&forum_id=2#27403486) |
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Date: February 27th, 2015 10:08 PM Author: pale gunner here is the Doc Review subforum at JDU
http://www.jdunderground.com/docreview/ |
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Date: August 23rd, 2016 12:15 AM Author: fantasy-prone library "I was in your situation too. Doc review is practically the only work I have done since graduation. The bitter disappointment and despair of realizing that this is what it has come to in order to feed yourself is soul-crushing. You are not treated as a professional; you are a merely a warm body and a statistic. Lock you phone away. Internet is blocked. No talking. Sign out when you go to the bathroom."
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Date: February 27th, 2015 10:06 PM Author: Glittery abode rigpig it's all electronic. all the docs are uploaded and you look at them electronically (well 99.5% of them).
the doc viewer software (there are a ton of competitors out there and they all suck) usually will have a feature that highlights a key name or a phrase for you as you look at the doc. you're *supposed* to read through the whole doc, but in reality you just look at the highlighted portion and get a sense of what the doc is about.
the doc viewer system also will have some sort of checkbox feature on the right allowing you to "tag" the document as all sorts of things: responsive, non-responsive, privileged, "hot," things like that.
nowadays much of the "first level" review is done by people in india, no joke. they'll review to make sure it's, for example, "responsive" or "non-responsive" (to whatever the subpoena requests).
these days at the biglaw level you're doing "second level" review -- making sure the docs are responsive, flagging docs that seem particularly damaging or "hot," etc. -- or "privilege review" (determining whether the doc is protected by some privilege).
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Plaintiff asks MEGACORP to produce every document in your possession since 1998 discussing paint.
MEGACORP hires your firm.
Your firm goes down to MEGACORP'S server room with some IT dorks from a document processing company. They discover that there are 300,000 emails sent between MEGACORP'S 10,000 employees since 1998 that have the word "paint" in them. They put them all into a database.
You, as super smart and important first year litigation associate (or contract attorneys managed by you if the client is smart enough to ask for them) sit at your computer for 8-10 hours a day looking at each one of these 300,000 emails.
If the email talks about the company's third quarter 2001 paint production volumes and does not contain legal advice, you click a button on your screen that says "responsive to RFP 1"
If the email is from Sue in accounting to Sally in marketing asking "what color should I paint my new house?" you click "not responsive."
If the email is from a lawyer saying "OUR PAINT KILLS PEOPLE PLEASE CALL ME ASAP TO DISCUSS" then you click privileged.
If the email is from Bob, a truck driver for MEGACORP to his buddy saying "I just dumped gallons of paint in some fucking lame ass river" you click "hot."
Repeat for 8 hours per day, five days per week.
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Date: March 20th, 2015 11:09 AM Author: Dashing nursing home this is one of the few coherent descriptions of "what do lawyers do" that I've ever seen. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2819253&forum_id=2#27524215) |
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Date: March 20th, 2015 12:50 PM Author: Olive Yarmulke 180
This is almost completely CR, except for the last part. Doc review can be 180 when you have your own office, esp during March Madness |
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Date: September 18th, 2015 12:55 PM Author: useless rehab lol that's pretty much how I remember it. It's not a bad way to make a decent chunk of your hours as a junior associate though. Obviously horrible if this is your whole "career." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2819253&forum_id=2#28784965) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2016 11:27 PM Author: motley lavender knife I think a fair amount - not a lawyer but based on the description of doc review above and the doc review shown in the show, it seems they do a decent job of it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2819253&forum_id=2#31247370) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2016 11:40 PM Author: tan space People go to law school to do this?
Sounds like amazing and uplifting detective work.
think about it...with each document you process, you are building your conception of who megacorp is and getting your finger on their pulse.
I bet you must feel a rush when you see something as "hot". thats when you get hot on the paper trail... |
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Date: September 18th, 2015 2:24 PM Author: Ivory comical twinkling uncleanness In biglaw, it is a 180 workstream to "check-out" on for 2-3 months, billing 9 hours a day for having the doc review portal open on your computer while you poast. Leave at 630 every day. The problem is that when you get an assignment like this, it is very likely your last few months at the firm and they are just trying to squeeze the last bit of productivity out of you, before, like a once proud thorougbred horse, you are shipped off to the glue factory. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2819253&forum_id=2#28785522) |
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Date: September 18th, 2015 2:30 PM Author: 180 navy school So what if you hit responsive or not responsive at random on every doc? Is there any realistic way it would catch up with you? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2819253&forum_id=2#28785561) |
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Date: September 18th, 2015 2:33 PM Author: Ivory comical twinkling uncleanness there is a quality control rat who reviews other reviewers for accuracy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2819253&forum_id=2#28785586) |
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Date: September 18th, 2015 2:35 PM Author: Puce kitchen (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2819253&forum_id=2#28785608) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2016 11:29 PM Author: Curious Personal Credit Line (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2819253&forum_id=2#31247392) |
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Date: September 18th, 2015 2:34 PM Author: Puce kitchen Many contract attorneys do this. You catch them by doing spot checks of their work. If you see a fairly obvious miss, you pull more of their work and if they were just BSing you fire them. I doubt many associates do this because if they were found out they'd be fired no questions asked. Much more common for associates is for them to review 10 docs and charge an hour when they really reviewed 10 docs for 10 mins then surfed the net for 50 mins. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2819253&forum_id=2#28785592) |
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Date: September 18th, 2015 4:31 PM Author: White Titillating Sanctuary Foreskin If anyone is wondering why this thread was blank-bumped / necro'd, please ctrl+F "MEGACORP" and hit the "enter" key twice. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2819253&forum_id=2#28786496) |
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Date: March 16th, 2016 8:00 PM Author: vibrant metal depressive (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2819253&forum_id=2#30073993) |
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Date: March 16th, 2016 8:32 PM Author: Ruby big house paging proleapotamous, our resident dumb as fuck loser who could only manage to snag a contract attorney doc review job after months of NOJERB postgraduation. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2819253&forum_id=2#30074296) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2016 10:13 PM Author: Maize organic girlfriend sneaky criminal Friendly reminder bump for 3Ls! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2819253&forum_id=2#31246825) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2016 11:03 PM Author: Crimson temple How common is it for corporate defendants to knowingly withhold or doctor damaging evidence? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2819253&forum_id=2#31247183) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2016 11:35 PM Author: spectacular mauve turdskin Never happens for V20 clients. The stakes are too high. Law firms aren't responsible for the facts. Their job is to do the best they can with the record that exists. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2819253&forum_id=2#31247437) |
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Date: August 23rd, 2016 12:13 AM Author: Transparent Kink-friendly Alpha Megacorps police their emails in real time. Any employee writing damaging shit is going to get shitcanned before anything gets litigated unless something falls through the cracks. C level people basically dont touch email too. They have teams that run random email audits just for shit like that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2819253&forum_id=2#31247713) |
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Date: August 23rd, 2016 12:52 AM Author: lemon principal's office internal respiration All lit associates are going to do at least some doc review.
It's when you're doing it full time for weeks or months on end that it becomes a living death. |
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Date: October 30th, 2017 10:19 PM Author: vibrant metal depressive (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2819253&forum_id=2#34566629) |