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Date: March 1st, 2015 1:27 PM Author: Orchid stage circlehead what is it? drove a bunch of cars recently, wasnt that impressed. the only fun cars -- A4 2.0, 328i, etc. come with high maintenance costs, etc.
what is the credited move here? want a bit of a smaller car than the accord but dont want to pay an arm and leg for something thats going to require a lot of maintenance. budget is 35k for new or 2-4 yr old used. |
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Date: March 1st, 2015 2:41 PM Author: titillating church building VW golf/TDI (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2820215&forum_id=2#27411736) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2015 5:06 PM Author: Wild Antidepressant Drug What maintenance costs are you worried about?
Doesn't BMW have free maintenance for 4 years? |
Date: March 1st, 2015 1:29 PM Author: Judgmental Dun Home People Who Are Hurt What year accord are you driving? In terms of non-luxury cars Accord is easily one of the best mid sized sedans you can get (the only real competition is the camry, with ford/hyundai making moves to catch up). What type of stuff would you like your new car to be better at? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2820215&forum_id=2#27411386) |
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Date: March 1st, 2015 1:31 PM Author: Orchid stage circlehead 2012
i want bluetooth
i would like better pickup, etc. other than that, im pretty easy-going. drove an IS250 yesterday, nice car, but pretty crappy pickup - even in power mode. only cars that impressed me were the 328i and the a4 2.0 quattro. but im reading horror stories about maintenance, service fees, etc.
and like i said, a bit smaller than accord would be nice. |
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Date: March 1st, 2015 1:33 PM Author: pontificating charismatic market You could take a look at the 2016 acura ilx. Pretty decent value and they upgraded the engine to a 2.4 200 hp..sounds like it has decent pickup. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2820215&forum_id=2#27411404) |
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Date: March 1st, 2015 1:36 PM Author: Orchid stage circlehead yea but i read some other thread on xo than an ilx is essentially an upgraded civic and acura is the shittiest of all the luxury brands (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2820215&forum_id=2#27411417) |
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Date: March 1st, 2015 1:37 PM Author: pontificating charismatic market like i said...they upgraded it...the 2016 ilx isn't the same as the previous versions. Solid reviews so far (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2820215&forum_id=2#27411421) |
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Date: March 1st, 2015 1:41 PM Author: Judgmental Dun Home People Who Are Hurt Acura definitely isn't the shittiest luxury brand. The ILX, however is a pretty big piece of shit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2820215&forum_id=2#27411439) |
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Date: March 1st, 2015 1:42 PM Author: pontificating charismatic market see above. 2016 is much improved (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2820215&forum_id=2#27411444) |
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Date: March 1st, 2015 1:45 PM Author: Judgmental Dun Home People Who Are Hurt if he doesn't find the IS 250 (which also received mostly positive reviews) he's not going to find this car engaging either. The ILX is no more powerful, and definitely not anymore luxurious compared to the IS 250. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2820215&forum_id=2#27411458) |
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Date: March 1st, 2015 1:46 PM Author: pontificating charismatic market Fair enough. Just wanted to point out that it's not the same 150 HP Civic+ that it used to be. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2820215&forum_id=2#27411464) |
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Date: March 1st, 2015 1:52 PM Author: Judgmental Dun Home People Who Are Hurt oh fo sho. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2820215&forum_id=2#27411489) |
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Date: March 1st, 2015 1:49 PM Author: Orchid stage circlehead so whats the next step up - irrespective of cost - for a car with great reliability and low(er) maintenance? tesla? IS 350? anything else? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2820215&forum_id=2#27411477) |
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Date: March 1st, 2015 1:55 PM Author: Judgmental Dun Home People Who Are Hurt so if you want great reliability AND low maintenance you are basically ruling out the germans. There's a lot to be said about what's nice about these cars. They are typically funner cars to drive compared to their japanese counterparts, with the exception of Mercedes being not so fun and Infiniti being qutie fun. Also the German cars are cheaper used. So although its true the Japanese cars will be cheaper maintain, they will typically be several thousand more expensive than German cars in the used market. Take a look at what a 2009 BMW 328i costs and what a 2009 Lexus IS 250 costs. So if you still would prefer japanese i can help find what may be ideal. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2820215&forum_id=2#27411497) |
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Date: March 1st, 2015 1:36 PM Author: Geriatric Kitchen Macaca lol, a 2012 Accord doesn't have bluetooth?
just get something new. all the new cars have tech that was only available in high end luxury cars just a few years ago.
test drive a Mazda3 and Mazda6
if you want something that's fun as fuck to drive and aren't self-conscious, try a Mini Cooper S or Roadster |
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Date: March 1st, 2015 2:26 PM Author: thriller library Also couldn't believe that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2820215&forum_id=2#27411666) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2015 5:08 PM Author: Wild Antidepressant Drug "lol, a 2012 Accord doesn't have bluetooth?"
2013 does.
He just needs to jump up one year. |
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Date: March 2nd, 2015 5:43 PM Author: pearl tantric theatre ape FYI - adding a head unit with Bluetooth is incredibly cheap and your local best buy will do it in like an hour. I did it in my Jeep Liberty. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2820215&forum_id=2#27418176) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2015 5:57 PM Author: Wild Antidepressant Drug I doubt it would be "incredibly cheap."
The stereo isn't some old school DIN or double DIN format. |
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Date: March 2nd, 2015 6:02 PM Author: pearl tantric theatre ape Check on crutchfield and I'll bet you find a ton of options. Head units are fairly standard. The way it gets more expensive is if it is integrated with navigation. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2820215&forum_id=2#27418287) |
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Date: March 1st, 2015 1:43 PM Author: Judgmental Dun Home People Who Are Hurt so you want some extra power and blue tooth? and slightly smaller? i'm guessing you don't want it to be the size of a civic though right? Maybe something along the lines of an A4, 3 series, C-Class? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2820215&forum_id=2#27411452) |
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Date: March 1st, 2015 1:44 PM Author: Orchid stage circlehead yes but for the maintenance/service fees? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2820215&forum_id=2#27411455) |
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Date: March 1st, 2015 1:33 PM Author: Geriatric Kitchen Macaca Mazda6 shits all over every car you mentioned (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2820215&forum_id=2#27411402) |
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Date: March 1st, 2015 1:38 PM Author: Judgmental Dun Home People Who Are Hurt it's a slightly funner car to drive but it's a step down in almost every other respect to the accord. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2820215&forum_id=2#27411430) |
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Date: March 1st, 2015 1:44 PM Author: Geriatric Kitchen Macaca bullshit. in what way? Mazda6 has better MPG, better handling, better exterior, better tech and dash, more torque, same HP, equal Japanese reliability and it's cheaper. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2820215&forum_id=2#27411456) |
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Date: March 1st, 2015 1:48 PM Author: Judgmental Dun Home People Who Are Hurt their mpg is about the same, as are most cars in the class, exterior is a matter of taste, what tech does the mazda have that the accord doesn't have? Mazda DOES NOT equal the reliability of an Accord. Please stop talking. In any case, he obviously doesn't want an accord or mazda 6 if he's looking for smaller and faster. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2820215&forum_id=2#27411471) |
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Date: March 1st, 2015 2:09 PM Author: Geriatric Kitchen Macaca ok fine. i still think Mazda6 is superior, but i'll agree it's pretty close. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2820215&forum_id=2#27411567) |
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Date: March 1st, 2015 1:35 PM Author: light 180 boiling water If you have an accord but aren't willing to shell out the money for at least a 335 you will just be throwing money away on whatever faux luxury car you get. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2820215&forum_id=2#27411409) |
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Date: March 1st, 2015 1:37 PM Author: Orchid stage circlehead how bad are service fees for a 335?
is BMW CPO or Audi CPO great for anything? i want to avoid service/maintenance fees |
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Date: March 1st, 2015 1:40 PM Author: Judgmental Dun Home People Who Are Hurt If you get a 335i you HAVE to make sure all HPFP issues have been dealt with. The 335i has one of the worst track records of any car in recent memory. So beware. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2820215&forum_id=2#27411434) |
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Date: March 1st, 2015 1:46 PM Author: Orchid stage circlehead same for 328i and a4? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2820215&forum_id=2#27411465) |
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Date: March 1st, 2015 1:51 PM Author: Judgmental Dun Home People Who Are Hurt No, the 335i had a turbocharged engine which is where it got a ton of its power. However, BMW did not do a very good job building these turbos and they had a ton of issues, these issues aren't seen in the 328i because the engines are naturally aspirated (no turbots). The 328i is basically THE most reliable car in BMWs line-up. It's also the highest volume selling and cheapest to maintain (still gonna cost a decent chunk more than your accord, however). It gets to 60 in 6 sec or so. But really you have to drive the car to decide if its enough get up and go for you. Different cars feel different on their way to freeway speeds. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2820215&forum_id=2#27411488) |
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Date: March 1st, 2015 1:54 PM Author: Orchid stage circlehead i drove the 320 last night and it felt pretty good. not as much pickup as the a4 2.0 quattro, but still better than the other cars i drove (s60 was pretty good too). so i think i'd be ok with the 328. how much more in maintenance fees would i be looking at? id like to get a CPO 2-3 year old car to save some $, too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2820215&forum_id=2#27411495) |
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Date: March 1st, 2015 1:59 PM Author: Judgmental Dun Home People Who Are Hurt oh i meant last generation 328i, if you're getting a current generation 328i. It will be somewhat less reliable, but i haven't heard any really bad news about the car. So oil changes are gonna run you somewhere between $100-$150. But you don't need them as often as with other cars. Still it's costing you more. Every single piece of thing that needs to be replaced will in general cost more. For instance replacing brakes on your accord might have ran you $500 for all of them, For BMWs that's probably what just the parts will cost you for the full set, then whatever labor costs. I always had the hook up on that, so I have no idea what that should cost. Also, tires will be more expensive. I mean just take whatever it costs to replace on the accord and 2.5x it is what I would do. Because for a lot of the stuff not only does it cost more, but its more frequent.
Then once the warranty runs out you have to worry about repairs, something that seems simple and cheap on an accord can get complicated and expensive on a bmw, but that doesn't mean you'll necessarily have that issue. there are a lot of very solid bmws out there that don't ever need repairs. that's just much more true for hondas than it is for bmws. |
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Date: March 1st, 2015 2:07 PM Author: slippery senate hunting ground The 2012 328i are pretty unreliable. The rule is never get the first year of any new model (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2820215&forum_id=2#27411557) |
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Date: March 1st, 2015 2:08 PM Author: Judgmental Dun Home People Who Are Hurt true that, that's less true for many brands, but i'd definitely stick to that for most. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2820215&forum_id=2#27411564) |
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Date: March 1st, 2015 2:09 PM Author: Orchid stage circlehead so which years are good (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2820215&forum_id=2#27411570) |
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Date: March 1st, 2015 2:12 PM Author: Judgmental Dun Home People Who Are Hurt I think the 2012 is probably fine too, most issues will be dealt with by dealerships early on even in new cars, but if you wanted to be safe you could just get a 2013. they can be had for somewhere in the 20s (mid to high).
Honeslty though let me just give you a comprehensive list of what cars you want to check out if you're going for smaller, faster and some tech, sounds like you just really wanted blue tooth though, anything else a must? |
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Date: March 1st, 2015 2:28 PM Author: thriller library Audis have a lot of problems with the hpfp too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2820215&forum_id=2#27411673) |
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Date: March 1st, 2015 1:40 PM Author: Judgmental Dun Home People Who Are Hurt bimmers aren't really luxury cars they are drivers cars. they often omit what's considered standard luxury, especially on the 3 series. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2820215&forum_id=2#27411437) |
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Date: March 1st, 2015 1:57 PM Author: Brilliant Cruise Ship Sneaky Criminal Hyundai Sonata (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2820215&forum_id=2#27411507) |
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Date: March 1st, 2015 2:01 PM Author: Orchid stage circlehead these credited? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2820215&forum_id=2#27411527) |
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Date: March 1st, 2015 2:04 PM Author: Judgmental Dun Home People Who Are Hurt just as credited as many cars in its class. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2820215&forum_id=2#27411534) |
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Date: March 1st, 2015 2:06 PM Author: Contagious Alcoholic Corner Police Squad CAR NERD CHECKING IN - here is a list of compact luxury cars for under 35 grand:
-Audi A3 (starts at 30k) -BMW 2 series (starts at 33k) -Acura ILX (starts at 28k) (this is Honda's luxury division, if you like your current Honda) -Mercedes-Benz CLA class (starts at 32k) -Buick Verano (starts at 24k)
I would suggest that, if you're serious, you test drive as many of these as you possibly can. I know that Car and Driver gives the A3 particularly high marks.
EDIT: I just saw that you're worried about maintenance/service fees. That being the case, do NOT buy a pre-owned German car. New German cars are okay, so long as you're only keeping them for a few years, but German cars get very pricey to maintain after a few years (see e.g. Consumer Reports, Edmunds, JD Power & Associates).
I think you will be very happy with any of the above cars (okay, maybe not the Buick). In light of your concern about maintenance costs, I would recommend that if you're looking at one of the German cars above, you might want to lease for 3 or 4 years instead of buying it. You won't encounter any big problems in 3 or 4 years, no matter how hard you push the car. |
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Date: March 1st, 2015 2:07 PM Author: Judgmental Dun Home People Who Are Hurt given his list of cars that have been driven, i'm assuming he's definitely looking into used cars too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2820215&forum_id=2#27411559) |
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Date: March 1st, 2015 2:08 PM Author: slippery senate hunting ground I think 2 series got pretty good reviews (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2820215&forum_id=2#27411565) |
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Date: March 1st, 2015 2:16 PM Author: Contagious Alcoholic Corner Police Squad Yup! Everyone seems to hate that BMW is switching over to electrically-assisted steering (vs. the old hydraulic system), but to be honest I don't think anyone except a professional racer or automotive critic would notice. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2820215&forum_id=2#27411595) |
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Date: March 1st, 2015 2:17 PM Author: Judgmental Dun Home People Who Are Hurt no, it's definitely noticeable, and i hate that fake feedback feeling, but that doesn't mean the newer bmws aren't quite nice. but if you don't care about driving cars, and really can't tell the difference between a 2008 bmw and 2008 mercedes, then yeah you'd be fine. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2820215&forum_id=2#27411606) |
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Date: March 1st, 2015 2:08 PM Author: Vivacious splenetic telephone messiness Did they bring the hatchback model back yet for the A3? The sedan version is pretty pointless. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2820215&forum_id=2#27411566) |
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Date: March 1st, 2015 2:16 PM Author: Contagious Alcoholic Corner Police Squad Why don't you like the sedan? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2820215&forum_id=2#27411600) |
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Date: March 1st, 2015 2:29 PM Author: thriller library The sedan is basically a 2008 A4 right? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2820215&forum_id=2#27411684) |
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Date: March 1st, 2015 2:11 PM Author: Orchid stage circlehead ive driven most of these. problem now is finding a balance between a fun car and reasonable maintenance fees (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2820215&forum_id=2#27411579) |
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Date: March 1st, 2015 2:12 PM Author: Contagious Alcoholic Corner Police Squad Yeah I just saw that and edited my post. What do you think about leasing? You're right to be concerned about maintenance fees - maintaining an old German car can get very expensive. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2820215&forum_id=2#27411584) |
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Date: March 1st, 2015 9:30 PM Author: razzle nursing home persian these cars all cost 40+ easily with any basic set of options. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2820215&forum_id=2#27413903) |
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Date: March 1st, 2015 2:15 PM Author: Judgmental Dun Home People Who Are Hurt Let me ask you this, are the reasons that you are concerned about maintenance fees because you don't want to be spending as much on a car, or because you don't want to have to worry about your car breaking down? these are two very different concerns, and should be approached differently. or is it both? If it's both I think you have to go Japanese. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2820215&forum_id=2#27411591) |
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Date: March 1st, 2015 2:17 PM Author: Contagious Alcoholic Corner Police Squad I really think he should test drive the Acura ILX, and I don't know why people are shooting it down in here when - in all likelihood - they have never driven it themselves. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2820215&forum_id=2#27411608) |
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Date: March 1st, 2015 2:18 PM Author: Judgmental Dun Home People Who Are Hurt i haven't driven the new one, but i have read reviews on it, if he doesn't like what the lexus IS 250 offers then he's not going to like what the ILX offers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2820215&forum_id=2#27411616) |
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Date: March 1st, 2015 2:22 PM Author: Contagious Alcoholic Corner Police Squad They're not even close to each other. The IS250 is larger and has an equivalent engine. It does 0 to 60 in just under 8 seconds. The ILX is smaller, more nimble, and does 0 to 60 in a hair over 6 seconds. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2820215&forum_id=2#27411638) |
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Date: March 1st, 2015 2:39 PM Author: Judgmental Dun Home People Who Are Hurt i stand corrected. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2820215&forum_id=2#27411722) |
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Date: March 1st, 2015 2:20 PM Author: pontificating charismatic market I drove it the other day. Thought it was solid...pick-up and handling were good. 8 speed dual clutch transmission is good, from what I understand. SMaller than I'm used to. Probably a decent value overall. Styling much better than the '15. Don't know if I'd get it personally, but def seems viable (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2820215&forum_id=2#27411626) |
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Date: March 1st, 2015 2:21 PM Author: slippery senate hunting ground The Lexus rc looks amazing (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2820215&forum_id=2#27411633) |
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Date: March 1st, 2015 3:14 PM Author: olive angry orchestra pit First, understand that ~$30k "luxury" cars are MASSIVE striver flame. BMW 3 series, Mercedes C class, every single Acura and Lexus, offer nothing that the majority of cars don't have now. A Hyundai with a few options is nearly identical to an Acura or Lexus except that it isn't as "prestigious," but the truth is, no one is actually impressed by the fact that you have a Lexus IS.
All that said, just get something fun. If you realize that entry level luxury cars are striver flame, get the new Mustang GT. Looks good, it's fast as hell and fun, and for $35k you can get it fully loaded with navi, Bluetooth, and all the shit that you'd get in some $35k Lexus... except it would actually be fun to drive.
You could get a WRX which is a lot of fun and reliable, but maybe a little more of a teenager car.
If you want something slightly more refined, the new BMW 2 series coupe is fun and well balanced, and drives more similarly to the classic BMWs (before they got bloated with bullshit). |
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Date: March 1st, 2015 3:54 PM Author: Orchid stage circlehead So what are true luxury cars? Porsche Cayman? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2820215&forum_id=2#27412201) |
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Date: March 1st, 2015 4:00 PM Author: Contagious Alcoholic Corner Police Squad just ignore him, anyone that recommends a mustang or a WRX to a business/legal professional is probably a teenager. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2820215&forum_id=2#27412237) |
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Date: March 1st, 2015 4:02 PM Author: Orchid stage circlehead You've been helpful
See below- thoughts? |
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Date: March 1st, 2015 9:18 PM Author: olive angry orchestra pit LJL, legal professionals need boring cars?
IM A VERY IMPORTANT SECURITIES ATTORNEY, LOOK AT MY IMPORTANT LEXUS IS. I AM A TOOL. |
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Date: March 1st, 2015 4:01 PM Author: Orchid stage circlehead Update - I live in SF. Now thinking I get a cheap car like a used VW Golf or civic or Prius or accord and put my money towards buying a place. Right now I'm renting a 1 bedroom. This would almost assuredly be a better financial decision, right? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2820215&forum_id=2#27412245) |
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Date: March 1st, 2015 4:12 PM Author: Contagious Alcoholic Corner Police Squad Yes, that would almost definitely be a better financial decision. The Accord, Civic and Golf are all critically acclaimed cars (the Golf and Accord appear on Car and Driver's 10Best Cars list almost every single year). Nobody's going to mock you or look down on you because you chose to drive a Honda instead of a Mercedes.
I guess the question you have to ask yourself is whether getting an entry-level luxury car, new or pre-owned, would serve some urgent need that a Honda or Volkswagen couldn't possibly fulfill. For example - if you're still in the dating marketplace, or if the work you do involves a ton of client interaction, then you may find it valuable to take the leap and at the very least lease a luxury car for a few years.
So in summary - I think you should get a cheap car (or keep your Accord, whatever) and save for a place. You'll thank yourself for being frugal later. But if you NEED an impressive car, then hey, why not? It's not a tremendous expense, especially if you're getting an entry-level model and leasing instead of buying. |
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Date: March 1st, 2015 4:20 PM Author: Orchid stage circlehead Very good points. I'm married and clients never see my car. Thanks. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2820215&forum_id=2#27412386) |
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Date: March 1st, 2015 4:16 PM Author: slippery senate hunting ground u dont even own yr place and you are thinking of throwing money away on a pos "luxury" car?
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Date: March 1st, 2015 9:21 PM Author: sooty lodge Toyota Crown Royal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2820215&forum_id=2#27413864) |
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Date: March 1st, 2015 9:23 PM Author: sooty lodge scratch that. i meant
TOYOTA CENTURY |
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Date: March 1st, 2015 9:38 PM Author: passionate ladyboy mazda6 seems nice (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2820215&forum_id=2#27413937) |
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Date: March 1st, 2015 9:53 PM Author: cracking kitty factory reset button Cop dat EQUUS on certified pre owned. You can get one for $30k with a 100,000 mile warranty and it's right up with the Mercedes S class for toys + tech. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2820215&forum_id=2#27414015) |
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Date: March 1st, 2015 10:12 PM Author: Sienna Chapel Admit I am the biggest Honda/Acura fanboy (still drive my 2004). My own personal opinion is you need to spend at least 65k to get something appreciably better than a fully loaded accord. I seriously would rather have a fully loaded accord than a 3 series. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2820215&forum_id=2#27414092) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2015 5:06 PM Author: Wild Antidepressant Drug If you search well, you can find a 2002 Porsche 911 Turbo with about 60,000 miles for $35,000. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2820215&forum_id=2#27417966) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2015 6:13 PM Author: Geriatric Kitchen Macaca (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2820215&forum_id=2#27418338) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2015 6:17 PM Author: slippery senate hunting ground this screams i m a striver faggot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2820215&forum_id=2#27418358) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2015 5:09 PM Author: galvanic internal respiration A Convention (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2820215&forum_id=2#27417992) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2015 5:10 PM Author: Wild Antidepressant Drug --> Ratification (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2820215&forum_id=2#27417995) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2015 5:53 PM Author: lascivious cyan pistol pretty shitty car thread, even by xo standards (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2820215&forum_id=2#27418227) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2015 5:55 PM Author: pontificating charismatic market reynold what cars are the best (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2820215&forum_id=2#27418238) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2015 5:55 PM Author: Wild Antidepressant Drug 2004 Jaguar XJR - $14,500
If the air suspension hasn't been serviced, save a few thousand for the inevitable shit storm. |
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Date: March 2nd, 2015 6:06 PM Author: Misunderstood Wine Abode Voyeur $35k barely gets you a new Accord with maintenance for 4 years. Obviously you can't "step up" at this budget. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2820215&forum_id=2#27418300) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2015 6:13 PM Author: pearl tantric theatre ape Yeah, a top of the line grand Cherokee costs $50-60k these days. Not even including SRT builds. $30-$35k isn't really a luxury budget. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2820215&forum_id=2#27418339) |