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are there any actual legit biglaw exit options?
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Date: March 24th, 2015 10:57 AM Author: Disturbing hell (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#27546349) |
Date: March 24th, 2015 11:00 AM Author: marvelous apoplectic range 42nd floor office window (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#27546355) |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 11:28 AM Author: spectacular dun stead mad-dog skullcap 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#27546484) |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 11:17 AM Author: irradiated embarrassed to the bone lodge I don't get the whole "biglaw is a trap" shtick. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#27546428) |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 11:20 AM Author: Cracking balding candlestick maker If you're in legit biglaw, then absolutely. Most of the in-house bros you work with started in biglaw; if not your firm, then one a lot like it. I hated biglaw as much as anybody, but my current super-chill 9-5 would not be possible without it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#27546443) |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 11:22 AM Author: Onyx Soggy Church Building Multi-billionaire precisely this. i was ready to give it all up for a surfboard, a tent, and kauai, but copped dat 9-5 in-house. BIGLAW hell was worth it for this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#27546452) |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 11:24 AM Author: Disturbing hell how'd you cop? market? V ranking? year? (i'm secondary market, V30, 4th year, looking hard) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#27546461) |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 11:25 AM Author: Cracking balding candlestick maker If you're a 4th year, then you must have seen a lot of other people leave by now, right? Where did they go? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#27546467) |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 11:27 AM Author: Disturbing hell really i haven't...i lateraled a little less than a year ago. At old firm most people my year were either still there, lateraled to another firm, or burned out. Maybe i know one or two people in the 5-6th year who copped in house, but in companies that seems boring and not super chill.. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#27546476) |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 11:39 AM Author: Cracking balding candlestick maker For our purposes, all companies are boring; even if you're working at Apple or Google, the legal department is still going to be boring. So you can eliminate that as a criterion right now. Admittedly, though, going in-house to a company that pays less yet still has the biglaw hours/ethos is the worst case scenario, so you're right to be concerned about that part. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#27546535) |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 11:49 AM Author: Disturbing hell at least for cocktail party value tho (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#27546575) |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 11:29 AM Author: Racy headpube station Can you please explain how you copped? recruiter or personal connections/networking? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#27546493) |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 11:33 AM Author: Onyx Soggy Church Building Multi-billionaire headhunters don't tend to recruit for in-house. i suck at networking so i basically did resume drops to postings on linkedin, goinhouse.com, etc. linkedin proved the most fruitful since i tended to follow up with the HR contact listed on the linkedin job page.
interview process took a long time. most companies are slow to act, so once you start the rounds, it can take 3-4 mos. i made it to the final round of a couple companies (incl google) and got a couple offers from startups that i declined. ultimately went with an established tech company with a stable revenue stream.
i can't underscore enough how chill it is. i was once in the office at 5:30 pm and my boss, on the way out, asked me in a worried tone whether everything was okay (because i had stayed late). i've been in-house for 2 years and literally have worked a total of maybe 2 hours over the weekend (basically one firedrill negotiation about a year ago). |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 11:37 AM Author: Cracking balding candlestick maker Someone I worked with in biglaw hell was a usual drinking buddy and we ranted all the time about biglaw, the partners we worked for, and life in general. Said buddy copped a chill in-house job with someone they met in the course of a previous deal at their old firm, and it turns out there was an opening for me too (company was hiring heavily in our niche at the time). I interviewed, they loved me, and the rest is history. Purely organic networking. In my experience, networking is very valuable, but anything explicitly labeled as networking is worthless. Anything explicitly labeled as networking where you have to pay to attend is pure flame. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#27546527) |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 11:27 AM Author: Onyx Soggy Church Building Multi-billionaire V10, 4th year, NYC/DC/SF/LA-level market. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#27546479) |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 11:28 AM Author: Disturbing hell howd you cop? networking? client? goinhouse.com? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#27546483) |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 11:29 AM Author: Onyx Soggy Church Building Multi-billionaire (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#27546492) |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 11:30 AM Author: Disturbing hell like linkedin jobs or linkedin networking? just sent in a cover letter and resume? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#27546496) |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 11:39 AM Author: Onyx Soggy Church Building Multi-billionaire linkedin jobs. many don't require cover letters but i created a template that i was able to tweak as necessary. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#27546534) |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 11:40 AM Author: Disturbing hell what kind of company? salary? work satisfaction? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#27546537) |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 11:45 AM Author: Onyx Soggy Church Building Multi-billionaire i focus on product development (both HW/SW) and commercial licensing. 205k (salary+annual stock options vesting). if there's any lack of satisfaction, it's that the work comes easy to me. nothing ever raises my blood pressure except sometimes dealing with engineers who think they know legal concepts when they don't and having to repeatedly "teach" them best practices. boss is extremely hands-off, there's no drama, and other internal stakeholders love the work i do. couldn't be better. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#27546556) |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 11:49 AM Author: Disturbing hell ugh sounds so cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#27546572) |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 11:27 AM Author: galvanic lay affirmative action You really dodged a bullet there (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#27546477) |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 11:28 AM Author: Disturbing hell (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#27546482) |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 11:30 AM Author: amethyst aphrodisiac sanctuary main people if ur litigation then no (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#27546494) |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 11:31 AM Author: Disturbing hell what about litigation ---> non-legal job w/ significant pay cut? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#27546499) |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 11:42 AM Author: amethyst aphrodisiac sanctuary main people just do litigation --> used car salesman (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#27546545) |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 11:49 AM Author: galvanic lay affirmative action not a bad outcome for litigation (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#27546574) |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 11:51 AM Author: Saffron overrated office This guy literally did that, got rich. Sadly died an untimely death but it would have been way sadder if he was still a lawyer when he died.
http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2010-07-19/story/henry-h-tip-graham-jr-1949-2010-community-efforts-resulted-day-him |
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Date: April 30th, 2020 11:45 PM Author: 180 Pisswyrm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#40127214) |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 11:51 AM Author: odious sex offender (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#27546580) |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 11:32 AM Author: Comical juggernaut casino NFL/MLB agent (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#27546503) |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 11:52 AM Author: odious sex offender litigation exit options are AUSA (good luck), shit state gov work, some possible DOJ jobs, or SHITLAW (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#27546583) |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 11:52 AM Author: Disturbing hell come on there has to be something else.... politics? journalism? day care center operator? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#27546586) |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 11:55 AM Author: Saffron overrated office Any of those latter options aren't really "exit" options since you could have done them pre-law. Only real exit options for lit are just gradually stepping down in firm size, prestige etc. Best just to open a law business. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#27546594) |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 11:58 AM Author: Disturbing hell well im saying those positions are acceptable-- willing to take a significant pay/prestige cut in hopes of salvaging a career (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#27546601) |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 11:58 AM Author: odious sex offender ur starting an entirely new one from scratch (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#27546603) |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 11:59 AM Author: Disturbing hell having a T10 law degree and a 4 years of litigation doesn't give u even a slight leg up on the competition? (guy who constantly applies for jobs and hears nothing ever) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#27546606) |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 12:01 PM Author: odious sex offender no idea man. i imagine it would scare a lot of employers off actually b/c they dont get litigation and wonder why a fancy lawyer wants to suddenly do marketing or w/ever (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#27546614) |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 12:02 PM Author: Disturbing hell yea this is my thought exactly (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#27546623) |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 11:56 AM Author: odious sex offender Former top tier litigators I know:
LSAT instructor
law librarian
real estate/landlord apt manager (got $ from parents to buy apt buildings)
ADA in third tier California city
tons in shitlaw
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Date: March 24th, 2015 12:01 PM Author: Saffron overrated office Some of the shitlawyers make $200K plus. Really the only satisfied lawyers I know other than rainmaking biglaw partners are solo practitioner shitlaw bros who have autonomy and control over their lives. There is no price that is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself.
But I get that it is very difficult for biglaw bros to take that jump off the cliff. |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 12:03 PM Author: odious sex offender that's true & idk if many of the shitlawyers i know are happy. i know plenty of shitlawyers that make between $130k and $200K plus. there are a couple that hit it big and run their own firm, but for the most part they are just grinding away doing the same shit they did in biglaw for equally erratic and insane shitlaw bosses (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#27546626) |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 12:11 PM Author: Saffron overrated office If you are doing shitlaw after biglaw, you shouldn't have bosses. That is risk averse and beta. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#27546657) |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 12:04 PM Author: Crawly Frozen Stage Skinny Woman Former Quinn Associates Dominating the Law Library Scene (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#27546631) |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 12:08 PM Author: Disturbing hell (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#27546645) |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 12:09 PM Author: odious sex offender they actually have a scene b/c there are these nationwide law librarian conventions they all go to for drinking and fucking (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#27546652) |
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Date: April 30th, 2020 11:51 PM Author: Multi-colored Spot law librarian is super preftigious, you know how much those guys make for how very little work they have to do (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#40127242) |
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Date: April 30th, 2020 11:46 PM Author: Bat-shit-crazy vivacious native Open up ur own shop (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#40127220) |
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Date: April 30th, 2020 10:03 PM Author: spruce cruise ship (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#40126589) |
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Date: April 30th, 2020 11:50 PM Author: Contagious black striped hyena Most common route seems to be slowly getting pushed out, lateraling to lower firm, repeat to a lowe firm still, then exit to alcoholism and an early grave and/or a dead-end job. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#40127238) |
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Date: April 30th, 2020 11:52 PM Author: 180 Pisswyrm How to get dead end job? Asking for biglaw lit friend (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#40127248) |
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Date: May 1st, 2020 12:35 PM Author: rusted exhilarant gaping mexican (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#40129310) |
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Date: April 30th, 2020 11:56 PM Author: provocative orange public bath Kind of a freak accident but I left Biglaw as a 2nd year Associate to join a hedge fund client as an investment professional (analyst). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#40127254) |
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Date: May 1st, 2020 12:01 AM Author: Bat-shit-crazy vivacious native How did you swing that (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#40127273) |
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Date: May 1st, 2020 12:10 AM Author: provocative orange public bath Niche area that was relevant to their core strategy (think shareholder activism) and a lot of direct exposure to one of the principals. Was lucky to work for a Partner who trusted me enough to allow significant interaction with the client at a relatively high level for a 1st and then 2nd year Associate. Client & I also had good chemistry and I developed a good relationship with their management team that provided me the space to (in a diplomatic way) express interest in joining their firm if there were ever anything open, which led to a conversation about what kind of role would be compelling at which point I indicated zero appetite for a legal role and open-mindedness about hitting the reset button on my career. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#40127297) |
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Date: May 1st, 2020 12:16 AM Author: dashing rehab Comp when you left? Hours? What’s your position now and trajectory (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#40127319) |
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Date: May 1st, 2020 12:26 AM Author: provocative orange public bath When I left a few years ago I was making $170k and earned a ~$35k bonus. Hours were brutal. 2600 first year and a little less the next.
I am a senior analyst and I really love what I do. Don't see my role changing - not going to be a PM or Partner here but that's okay. Last year my bonus was more than five times my six figure base.
Beyond comp, life is good - WFH indefinitely but before this madness I was working 7 to 5, home for dinner with the wife and kids, and then "back on" from 7 to 10, drink/smoke with the wife, fuck her brains out or two pump chump depending on my general mood, and then go to bed. Some weekends, maybe 20% of the time. |
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Date: May 1st, 2020 12:11 AM Author: Boyish Twinkling Therapy Meetinghouse Investment Banking loves JDs! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#40127301) |
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Date: May 1st, 2020 12:50 AM Author: trip crotch Pills and booze (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#40127422) |
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Date: May 1st, 2020 12:35 PM Author: rusted exhilarant gaping mexican Exit bag
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_bag |