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are there any actual legit biglaw exit options?
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Date: March 24th, 2015 10:57 AM Author: vigorous buff area patrolman (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#27546349) |
Date: March 24th, 2015 11:00 AM Author: unhinged associate persian 42nd floor office window (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#27546355) |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 11:28 AM Author: cerise tripping lettuce piazza 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#27546484) |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 11:17 AM Author: Violent Trip Roommate I don't get the whole "biglaw is a trap" shtick. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#27546428) |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 11:20 AM Author: Wonderful sanctuary If you're in legit biglaw, then absolutely. Most of the in-house bros you work with started in biglaw; if not your firm, then one a lot like it. I hated biglaw as much as anybody, but my current super-chill 9-5 would not be possible without it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#27546443) |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 11:22 AM Author: black irradiated hospital sandwich precisely this. i was ready to give it all up for a surfboard, a tent, and kauai, but copped dat 9-5 in-house. BIGLAW hell was worth it for this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#27546452) |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 11:24 AM Author: vigorous buff area patrolman how'd you cop? market? V ranking? year? (i'm secondary market, V30, 4th year, looking hard) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#27546461) |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 11:25 AM Author: Wonderful sanctuary If you're a 4th year, then you must have seen a lot of other people leave by now, right? Where did they go? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#27546467) |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 11:27 AM Author: vigorous buff area patrolman really i haven't...i lateraled a little less than a year ago. At old firm most people my year were either still there, lateraled to another firm, or burned out. Maybe i know one or two people in the 5-6th year who copped in house, but in companies that seems boring and not super chill.. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#27546476) |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 11:39 AM Author: Wonderful sanctuary For our purposes, all companies are boring; even if you're working at Apple or Google, the legal department is still going to be boring. So you can eliminate that as a criterion right now. Admittedly, though, going in-house to a company that pays less yet still has the biglaw hours/ethos is the worst case scenario, so you're right to be concerned about that part. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#27546535) |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 11:49 AM Author: vigorous buff area patrolman at least for cocktail party value tho (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#27546575) |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 11:29 AM Author: passionate office pozpig Can you please explain how you copped? recruiter or personal connections/networking? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#27546493) |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 11:33 AM Author: black irradiated hospital sandwich headhunters don't tend to recruit for in-house. i suck at networking so i basically did resume drops to postings on linkedin, goinhouse.com, etc. linkedin proved the most fruitful since i tended to follow up with the HR contact listed on the linkedin job page.
interview process took a long time. most companies are slow to act, so once you start the rounds, it can take 3-4 mos. i made it to the final round of a couple companies (incl google) and got a couple offers from startups that i declined. ultimately went with an established tech company with a stable revenue stream.
i can't underscore enough how chill it is. i was once in the office at 5:30 pm and my boss, on the way out, asked me in a worried tone whether everything was okay (because i had stayed late). i've been in-house for 2 years and literally have worked a total of maybe 2 hours over the weekend (basically one firedrill negotiation about a year ago). |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 11:37 AM Author: Wonderful sanctuary Someone I worked with in biglaw hell was a usual drinking buddy and we ranted all the time about biglaw, the partners we worked for, and life in general. Said buddy copped a chill in-house job with someone they met in the course of a previous deal at their old firm, and it turns out there was an opening for me too (company was hiring heavily in our niche at the time). I interviewed, they loved me, and the rest is history. Purely organic networking. In my experience, networking is very valuable, but anything explicitly labeled as networking is worthless. Anything explicitly labeled as networking where you have to pay to attend is pure flame. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#27546527) |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 11:27 AM Author: black irradiated hospital sandwich V10, 4th year, NYC/DC/SF/LA-level market. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#27546479) |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 11:28 AM Author: vigorous buff area patrolman howd you cop? networking? client? goinhouse.com? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#27546483) |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 11:29 AM Author: black irradiated hospital sandwich (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#27546492) |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 11:30 AM Author: vigorous buff area patrolman like linkedin jobs or linkedin networking? just sent in a cover letter and resume? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#27546496) |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 11:39 AM Author: black irradiated hospital sandwich linkedin jobs. many don't require cover letters but i created a template that i was able to tweak as necessary. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#27546534) |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 11:40 AM Author: vigorous buff area patrolman what kind of company? salary? work satisfaction? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#27546537) |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 11:45 AM Author: black irradiated hospital sandwich i focus on product development (both HW/SW) and commercial licensing. 205k (salary+annual stock options vesting). if there's any lack of satisfaction, it's that the work comes easy to me. nothing ever raises my blood pressure except sometimes dealing with engineers who think they know legal concepts when they don't and having to repeatedly "teach" them best practices. boss is extremely hands-off, there's no drama, and other internal stakeholders love the work i do. couldn't be better. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#27546556) |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 11:49 AM Author: vigorous buff area patrolman ugh sounds so cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#27546572) |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 11:27 AM Author: frisky resort You really dodged a bullet there (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#27546477) |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 11:28 AM Author: vigorous buff area patrolman (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#27546482) |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 11:30 AM Author: odious indian lodge if ur litigation then no (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#27546494) |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 11:31 AM Author: vigorous buff area patrolman what about litigation ---> non-legal job w/ significant pay cut? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#27546499) |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 11:42 AM Author: odious indian lodge just do litigation --> used car salesman (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#27546545) |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 11:49 AM Author: frisky resort not a bad outcome for litigation (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#27546574) |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 11:51 AM Author: hyperactive whorehouse turdskin This guy literally did that, got rich. Sadly died an untimely death but it would have been way sadder if he was still a lawyer when he died.
http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2010-07-19/story/henry-h-tip-graham-jr-1949-2010-community-efforts-resulted-day-him |
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Date: April 30th, 2020 11:45 PM Author: vivacious mahogany trailer park partner (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#40127214) |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 11:51 AM Author: Appetizing Water Buffalo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#27546580) |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 11:32 AM Author: comical sick multi-billionaire NFL/MLB agent (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#27546503) |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 11:52 AM Author: Appetizing Water Buffalo litigation exit options are AUSA (good luck), shit state gov work, some possible DOJ jobs, or SHITLAW (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#27546583) |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 11:52 AM Author: vigorous buff area patrolman come on there has to be something else.... politics? journalism? day care center operator? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#27546586) |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 11:55 AM Author: hyperactive whorehouse turdskin Any of those latter options aren't really "exit" options since you could have done them pre-law. Only real exit options for lit are just gradually stepping down in firm size, prestige etc. Best just to open a law business. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#27546594) |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 11:58 AM Author: vigorous buff area patrolman well im saying those positions are acceptable-- willing to take a significant pay/prestige cut in hopes of salvaging a career (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#27546601) |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 11:58 AM Author: Appetizing Water Buffalo ur starting an entirely new one from scratch (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#27546603) |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 11:59 AM Author: vigorous buff area patrolman having a T10 law degree and a 4 years of litigation doesn't give u even a slight leg up on the competition? (guy who constantly applies for jobs and hears nothing ever) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#27546606) |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 12:01 PM Author: Appetizing Water Buffalo no idea man. i imagine it would scare a lot of employers off actually b/c they dont get litigation and wonder why a fancy lawyer wants to suddenly do marketing or w/ever (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#27546614) |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 12:02 PM Author: vigorous buff area patrolman yea this is my thought exactly (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#27546623) |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 11:56 AM Author: Appetizing Water Buffalo Former top tier litigators I know:
LSAT instructor
law librarian
real estate/landlord apt manager (got $ from parents to buy apt buildings)
ADA in third tier California city
tons in shitlaw
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Date: March 24th, 2015 12:01 PM Author: hyperactive whorehouse turdskin Some of the shitlawyers make $200K plus. Really the only satisfied lawyers I know other than rainmaking biglaw partners are solo practitioner shitlaw bros who have autonomy and control over their lives. There is no price that is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself.
But I get that it is very difficult for biglaw bros to take that jump off the cliff. |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 12:03 PM Author: Appetizing Water Buffalo that's true & idk if many of the shitlawyers i know are happy. i know plenty of shitlawyers that make between $130k and $200K plus. there are a couple that hit it big and run their own firm, but for the most part they are just grinding away doing the same shit they did in biglaw for equally erratic and insane shitlaw bosses (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#27546626) |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 12:11 PM Author: hyperactive whorehouse turdskin If you are doing shitlaw after biglaw, you shouldn't have bosses. That is risk averse and beta. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#27546657) |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 12:04 PM Author: Milky exhilarant locale sex offender Former Quinn Associates Dominating the Law Library Scene (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#27546631) |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 12:08 PM Author: vigorous buff area patrolman (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#27546645) |
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Date: March 24th, 2015 12:09 PM Author: Appetizing Water Buffalo they actually have a scene b/c there are these nationwide law librarian conventions they all go to for drinking and fucking (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#27546652) |
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Date: April 30th, 2020 11:51 PM Author: Stimulating crackhouse telephone law librarian is super preftigious, you know how much those guys make for how very little work they have to do (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#40127242) |
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Date: April 30th, 2020 11:46 PM Author: Magenta Sinister University Macaca Open up ur own shop (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#40127220) |
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Date: April 30th, 2020 10:03 PM Author: yapping business firm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#40126589) |
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Date: April 30th, 2020 11:50 PM Author: dashing native Most common route seems to be slowly getting pushed out, lateraling to lower firm, repeat to a lowe firm still, then exit to alcoholism and an early grave and/or a dead-end job. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#40127238) |
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Date: April 30th, 2020 11:52 PM Author: vivacious mahogany trailer park partner How to get dead end job? Asking for biglaw lit friend (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#40127248) |
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Date: May 1st, 2020 12:35 PM Author: aggressive floppy stage sweet tailpipe (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#40129310) |
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Date: April 30th, 2020 11:56 PM Author: Arousing cyan tanning salon Kind of a freak accident but I left Biglaw as a 2nd year Associate to join a hedge fund client as an investment professional (analyst). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#40127254) |
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Date: May 1st, 2020 12:01 AM Author: Magenta Sinister University Macaca How did you swing that (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#40127273) |
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Date: May 1st, 2020 12:10 AM Author: Arousing cyan tanning salon Niche area that was relevant to their core strategy (think shareholder activism) and a lot of direct exposure to one of the principals. Was lucky to work for a Partner who trusted me enough to allow significant interaction with the client at a relatively high level for a 1st and then 2nd year Associate. Client & I also had good chemistry and I developed a good relationship with their management team that provided me the space to (in a diplomatic way) express interest in joining their firm if there were ever anything open, which led to a conversation about what kind of role would be compelling at which point I indicated zero appetite for a legal role and open-mindedness about hitting the reset button on my career. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#40127297) |
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Date: May 1st, 2020 12:16 AM Author: Mind-boggling indecent school puppy Comp when you left? Hours? What’s your position now and trajectory (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2837683&forum_id=2#40127319) |
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Date: May 1st, 2020 12:26 AM Author: Arousing cyan tanning salon When I left a few years ago I was making $170k and earned a ~$35k bonus. Hours were brutal. 2600 first year and a little less the next.
I am a senior analyst and I really love what I do. Don't see my role changing - not going to be a PM or Partner here but that's okay. Last year my bonus was more than five times my six figure base.
Beyond comp, life is good - WFH indefinitely but before this madness I was working 7 to 5, home for dinner with the wife and kids, and then "back on" from 7 to 10, drink/smoke with the wife, fuck her brains out or two pump chump depending on my general mood, and then go to bed. Some weekends, maybe 20% of the time. |
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Date: May 1st, 2020 12:35 PM Author: aggressive floppy stage sweet tailpipe Exit bag
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_bag |