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Why are mathematics & physics a young man's game?

*Einstein produced his magnum opus when he was 26. *Teren...
Twisted preventive strike
  03/29/15
there is an answer so obvious i will leave it unstated
amber dingle berry
  03/29/15
sometimes the 'most obvious' isn't readily discernible - Vol...
Twisted preventive strike
  03/29/15
certain disciplines favor intelligence whereas others favor ...
amber dingle berry
  03/29/15
Mainly b/c young women suck at math and physics
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abusive mewling generalized bond
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federal lettuce
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Law isnt dominated by olds in that the olds dont actually do...
thriller elastic band
  03/29/15
Cognitive decline in mid 20s
low-t claret whorehouse boiling water
  03/29/15
Explain why lawyers blossom in their 40s and 50s
Twisted preventive strike
  03/29/15
Date: March 29th, 2015 9:24 AM Author: smarmy tomato Cog...
amber dingle berry
  03/29/15
lol
idiotic magenta round eye forum
  03/29/15
law concepts arent difficult so experience matters more. for...
Mahogany frozen tanning salon multi-billionaire
  03/29/15
the fields are completely different. high-level physics and ...
azure magical yarmulke
  03/29/15
well said
wonderful salmon crackhouse jewess
  03/29/15
Discovery is generally a young mans game. I think there is a...
blathering native
  03/29/15
For at least some areas in each subject, I imagine it has so...
Swashbuckling space boistinker
  03/29/15
this sounds more correct. i also think there's a certain amo...
irate cuckold
  03/29/15
(tries to remember chain rule 10 years post college)
overrated glassy range fanboi
  03/29/15
fuck my ass
Maniacal stage
  03/30/15
it's worth learning it again if you don't remember it. it's ...
Obsidian senate
  03/30/15
"*Terence Tao produced his best work in his late 20s an...
mischievous coral dilemma
  03/29/15
you're genuinely retarded, Ted Cruz
mischievous coral dilemma
  03/29/15
Because once you get married and have kids you stop trying t...
smoky contagious dopamine fat ankles
  03/29/15
cr. marriage is when scientists learn logic is flame
overrated glassy range fanboi
  03/29/15
do physicists actually get chicks?
Brindle Racy Dysfunction Alpha
  03/29/15
lol r u kidding look at hollywood, physicists = alpha as f...
Silver provocative stag film immigrant
  03/29/15
you're such a dumb fucking faggot
Razzmatazz onyx address
  03/30/15
because olds aren't smart or even creative any more. all goo...
Sooty excitant parlor factory reset button
  03/29/15
yeah, it's part imagination and intelligence. the imaginati...
garnet concupiscible field
  03/30/15
i want to read this http://www.amazon.com/Old-Masters-You...
Cheese-eating Double Fault
  03/29/15
sharklasers and the other math people here say that this isn...
idiotic magenta round eye forum
  03/29/15
http://mathoverflow.net/questions/191929/are-there-any-serio...
Narrow-minded Main People Clown
  03/29/15
it is true, but not as much due to age qua age so much as ag...
Silver provocative stag film immigrant
  03/29/15
also the modern academic structure means that your dissertat...
Razzmatazz onyx address
  03/30/15
proficiency in law has a wisdom component proficiency in ma...
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Date: March 29th, 2015 7:55 AM
Author: Twisted preventive strike

*Einstein produced his magnum opus when he was 26.

*Terence Tao produced his best work in his late 20s and early 30s (he is 39 now and no longer draws attention for his work)

*Christopher Hirata (PhD, CalTech) is currently producing renowned scholarly work in astrophysics at the mere age of 33.

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Law, conversely, is dominated by older men.

*HLS Professor Emeritus, Alan Dershowitz, was regularly criticized by his teachers at Yeshiva University High School. They called into question Prof. Dershowitz's aptitude for higher education, conspicuously recommending him to the pursuit of blue-collar work, e.g., a salesperson at a clothing store. Even more striking was Prof. Dershowitz's diciplinary problem that almost prevented him from matriculating at Brooklyn College where he earned his A. B. in 1959. Yet he graduated first in his class from YLS where he served as editor-in-chief of the prestigious Yale Law Review. Now he is regarded as one of the brightest legal scholars in the academy, and is deemed one of the most distinguished lawyers of the 21st century.

*SCOTUS Associate Justice & first African-American justice, Thurgood Marshall, received middling grades in high school. Like Prof. Alan Dershowitz, he too had diciplinary problems; his hazing and pulling pranks on fellow students got him suspended several times from high school. Thurgood Marshall ended up winning 29 out of 32 cases he argued before SCOTUS--a remarkable feat considering SCOTUS evaluates arguments objectively.

*Mitt Romney, co-founder of the prestigious investment firm, Bain Capital, never distinguished himself academically at his elite boys preparatory academy, Cranbrook School. Fellow classmate Jim Bailey remarks, "He was in many ways the antithesis of what he's portrayed as today." Like Associate Justice Thurgood Marshall, Mitt Romney loved pulling pranks on his classmates. Edmund White, a fellow classmate of Romney at Cranbrook School, gave an account of Romney's behavior in a New Yorker article. Mr White affirmed Romney's role as a 'prankster,' saying "He was considered a class clown, always up to rather cruel pranks." It is alleged, moreover, that Romney taunted a boy who he perceived as gay by forcefully cutting off his long, bleached-blond hair. Although Romney secured admission at the coveted Silicon Valley undergraduate school, Stanford, his admittance is very likely to have been attributed to his father, George Romney, who leveraged his status as a staunch Republican governor of Michigan to persuade Stanford to admit his son. After all, George Romney had strong ties to the thinkers at Stanford's Hoover Institution.

Mitt Romney ended up graduating cum laude from HLS, as well as from HBS who named him a Baker Scholar (top 5% of HBS).



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2841455&forum_id=2#27574988)



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Date: March 29th, 2015 7:57 AM
Author: amber dingle berry

there is an answer so obvious i will leave it unstated

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2841455&forum_id=2#27574990)



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Date: March 29th, 2015 8:16 AM
Author: Twisted preventive strike

sometimes the 'most obvious' isn't readily discernible - Voltaire

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2841455&forum_id=2#27574995)



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Date: March 29th, 2015 8:18 AM
Author: amber dingle berry

certain disciplines favor intelligence whereas others favor the accumulation of knowledge and a certain chill sort of deference to authority

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2841455&forum_id=2#27574996)



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Date: March 29th, 2015 8:06 AM
Author: Swashbuckling space boistinker

Mainly b/c young women suck at math and physics

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2841455&forum_id=2#27574992)



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Date: March 29th, 2015 8:20 AM
Author: Violet Point Sneaky Criminal



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Date: March 29th, 2015 11:53 AM
Author: vivacious violent jew crotch



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2841455&forum_id=2#27575658)



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Date: March 29th, 2015 12:01 PM
Author: Puce piazza



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Date: March 29th, 2015 3:18 PM
Author: abusive mewling generalized bond



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2841455&forum_id=2#27576676)



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Date: March 29th, 2015 3:20 PM
Author: federal lettuce

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2841455&forum_id=2#27576684)



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Date: March 29th, 2015 8:47 AM
Author: thriller elastic band

Law isnt dominated by olds in that the olds dont actually do any of the work. Olds do none of the work -- they just take all of the credit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2841455&forum_id=2#27575020)



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Date: March 29th, 2015 9:24 AM
Author: low-t claret whorehouse boiling water

Cognitive decline in mid 20s

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2841455&forum_id=2#27575094)



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Date: March 29th, 2015 11:04 AM
Author: Twisted preventive strike

Explain why lawyers blossom in their 40s and 50s

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2841455&forum_id=2#27575492)



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Date: March 29th, 2015 11:05 AM
Author: amber dingle berry

Date: March 29th, 2015 9:24 AM

Author: smarmy tomato

Cognitive decline in mid 20s

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2841455&forum_id=2#27575494)



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Date: March 29th, 2015 3:19 PM
Author: idiotic magenta round eye forum

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2841455&forum_id=2#27576682)



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Date: March 29th, 2015 11:06 AM
Author: Mahogany frozen tanning salon multi-billionaire

law concepts arent difficult so experience matters more. for math you need all neurons firing and dat YOUTHFUL INSPIRATION to move shit forward.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2841455&forum_id=2#27575497)



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Date: March 29th, 2015 11:08 AM
Author: azure magical yarmulke

the fields are completely different. high-level physics and math performance requires deep insights as well as flexible and novel problem solving. law is much more of a crystallized skill that can only be developed over time through rigorous practice and experience. it's the same reason why performance on pattern recognition tests shows a decline by the mid-20s while scores on vocabulary tests often increase for decades after that point. the brain is still acquiring new knowledge even though its basic hardware is slowly breaking down.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2841455&forum_id=2#27575505)



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Date: March 29th, 2015 11:09 AM
Author: wonderful salmon crackhouse jewess

well said

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2841455&forum_id=2#27575508)



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Date: March 29th, 2015 11:12 AM
Author: blathering native

Discovery is generally a young mans game. I think there is a certain element of the frog in boiling water parable at play.

Its the same reason when I was 10 years old I knew Mark McGwire was on steroids yet Bob Costas and Peter Gammons were shocked despite being baseball experts interacting with players every day. It's more readily apparent to a 10 year old that humans aren't supposed to look like that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2841455&forum_id=2#27575521)



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Date: March 29th, 2015 11:33 AM
Author: Swashbuckling space boistinker

For at least some areas in each subject, I imagine it has something to do with being on the cutting edge with up-to-date training in a field that is ripe for new discoveries. You either discover something quickly in a field with lots of "mysteries", or someone else does, and you're left with no problems that are solvable with your particular knowledge base.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2841455&forum_id=2#27575594)



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Date: March 29th, 2015 11:58 AM
Author: irate cuckold

this sounds more correct. i also think there's a certain amount of luck associated with discovery: you were lucky enough to study the right material in the right order, which enabled you to connect the dots and make the discovery.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2841455&forum_id=2#27575681)



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Date: March 29th, 2015 11:35 AM
Author: overrated glassy range fanboi

(tries to remember chain rule 10 years post college)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2841455&forum_id=2#27575600)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 4:27 AM
Author: Maniacal stage

fuck my ass

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2841455&forum_id=2#27580670)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 4:38 AM
Author: Obsidian senate

it's worth learning it again if you don't remember it. it's not that complicated.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2841455&forum_id=2#27580687)



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Date: March 29th, 2015 12:00 PM
Author: mischievous coral dilemma

"*Terence Tao produced his best work in his late 20s and early 30s (he is 39 now and no longer draws attention for his work)"

Lolllll

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2841455&forum_id=2#27575686)



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Date: March 29th, 2015 12:47 PM
Author: mischievous coral dilemma

you're genuinely retarded, Ted Cruz

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2841455&forum_id=2#27575880)



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Date: March 29th, 2015 12:00 PM
Author: smoky contagious dopamine fat ankles

Because once you get married and have kids you stop trying to set the world on fire.

I saw a study once where a scientist's age at the time of their greatest discovery was correlated with the age at which they got married. Basically we only do work to get laid.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2841455&forum_id=2#27575687)



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Date: March 29th, 2015 1:04 PM
Author: overrated glassy range fanboi

cr. marriage is when scientists learn logic is flame

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2841455&forum_id=2#27575925)



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Date: March 29th, 2015 6:08 PM
Author: Brindle Racy Dysfunction Alpha

do physicists actually get chicks?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2841455&forum_id=2#27577785)



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Date: March 29th, 2015 6:14 PM
Author: Silver provocative stag film immigrant

lol r u kidding

look at hollywood, physicists = alpha as fuark poon slayers

mathematicians = basketcase weirdos

physicists: feynman, noted LSD proponent and pussy getter; hawking: can literally slay yellow puss without any motor neurons firing

mathematicians: john nash, psycho; etc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2841455&forum_id=2#27577813)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 4:30 AM
Author: Razzmatazz onyx address

you're such a dumb fucking faggot

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2841455&forum_id=2#27580676)



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Date: March 29th, 2015 12:34 PM
Author: Sooty excitant parlor factory reset button

because olds aren't smart or even creative any more. all good music was made by youngs too. pretty sure all acclaimed literature written by olds is flame

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2841455&forum_id=2#27575822)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 4:29 AM
Author: garnet concupiscible field

yeah, it's part imagination and intelligence. the imagination wanes as we get older and that part of the brain just shuts the fuck down.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2841455&forum_id=2#27580673)



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Date: March 29th, 2015 1:08 PM
Author: Cheese-eating Double Fault

i want to read this

http://www.amazon.com/Old-Masters-Young-Geniuses-Creativity/dp/0691133808

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2841455&forum_id=2#27575934)



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Date: March 29th, 2015 3:20 PM
Author: idiotic magenta round eye forum

sharklasers and the other math people here say that this isn't actually true.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2841455&forum_id=2#27576685)



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Date: March 29th, 2015 5:53 PM
Author: Narrow-minded Main People Clown

http://mathoverflow.net/questions/191929/are-there-any-serious-investigations-of-whether-mathematicians-do-their-best-wo/191980#191980

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2841455&forum_id=2#27577679)



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Date: March 29th, 2015 6:15 PM
Author: Silver provocative stag film immigrant

it is true, but not as much due to age qua age so much as age qua deference to the status quo and kids/wife

i realize I'm only in my early 30s, but I've been married for a decade and my raw intellectual horsepower seems to only be increasing - i'm forming connections between ideas i never thought of before, and in the math/logic i do in my spare time, it seems to be getting easier, as i'm seeing more creative approaches than i did when i was a young man, and i'm more willing to take risks

i was an abstract math major fwiw so not like i'm some law dork who dint no shit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2841455&forum_id=2#27577816)



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Date: March 30th, 2015 4:32 AM
Author: Razzmatazz onyx address

also the modern academic structure means that your dissertation phase of PhD and postdoc, a stretch of 4-8 years usually depending on how things go (where shorter is better, so the brightest people actually have less time) are really the only periods you have to fully dedicate to research. once you become a prof it's back to teaching, more politics, managing students, etc. which seriously cuts into your own research time.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2841455&forum_id=2#27580679)



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Date: March 29th, 2015 5:18 PM
Author: hairraiser area dog poop

proficiency in law has a wisdom component

proficiency in math is apparently hindered somewhat by wisdom or, at least, not helped

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2841455&forum_id=2#27577434)