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Why are mathematics & physics a young man's game?
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Date: March 29th, 2015 7:55 AM Author: Salmon Histrionic Haunted Graveyard *Einstein produced his magnum opus when he was 26.
*Terence Tao produced his best work in his late 20s and early 30s (he is 39 now and no longer draws attention for his work)
*Christopher Hirata (PhD, CalTech) is currently producing renowned scholarly work in astrophysics at the mere age of 33.
~~~ Law, conversely, is dominated by older men.
*HLS Professor Emeritus, Alan Dershowitz, was regularly criticized by his teachers at Yeshiva University High School. They called into question Prof. Dershowitz's aptitude for higher education, conspicuously recommending him to the pursuit of blue-collar work, e.g., a salesperson at a clothing store. Even more striking was Prof. Dershowitz's diciplinary problem that almost prevented him from matriculating at Brooklyn College where he earned his A. B. in 1959. Yet he graduated first in his class from YLS where he served as editor-in-chief of the prestigious Yale Law Review. Now he is regarded as one of the brightest legal scholars in the academy, and is deemed one of the most distinguished lawyers of the 21st century.
*SCOTUS Associate Justice & first African-American justice, Thurgood Marshall, received middling grades in high school. Like Prof. Alan Dershowitz, he too had diciplinary problems; his hazing and pulling pranks on fellow students got him suspended several times from high school. Thurgood Marshall ended up winning 29 out of 32 cases he argued before SCOTUS--a remarkable feat considering SCOTUS evaluates arguments objectively.
*Mitt Romney, co-founder of the prestigious investment firm, Bain Capital, never distinguished himself academically at his elite boys preparatory academy, Cranbrook School. Fellow classmate Jim Bailey remarks, "He was in many ways the antithesis of what he's portrayed as today." Like Associate Justice Thurgood Marshall, Mitt Romney loved pulling pranks on his classmates. Edmund White, a fellow classmate of Romney at Cranbrook School, gave an account of Romney's behavior in a New Yorker article. Mr White affirmed Romney's role as a 'prankster,' saying "He was considered a class clown, always up to rather cruel pranks." It is alleged, moreover, that Romney taunted a boy who he perceived as gay by forcefully cutting off his long, bleached-blond hair. Although Romney secured admission at the coveted Silicon Valley undergraduate school, Stanford, his admittance is very likely to have been attributed to his father, George Romney, who leveraged his status as a staunch Republican governor of Michigan to persuade Stanford to admit his son. After all, George Romney had strong ties to the thinkers at Stanford's Hoover Institution. Mitt Romney ended up graduating cum laude from HLS, as well as from HBS who named him a Baker Scholar (top 5% of HBS). |
Date: March 29th, 2015 7:57 AM Author: titillating whorehouse french chef there is an answer so obvious i will leave it unstated (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2841455&forum_id=2#27574990) |
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Date: March 29th, 2015 8:16 AM Author: Salmon Histrionic Haunted Graveyard sometimes the 'most obvious' isn't readily discernible - Voltaire (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2841455&forum_id=2#27574995) |
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Date: March 29th, 2015 8:18 AM Author: titillating whorehouse french chef certain disciplines favor intelligence whereas others favor the accumulation of knowledge and a certain chill sort of deference to authority (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2841455&forum_id=2#27574996) |
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Date: March 29th, 2015 8:06 AM Author: razzmatazz self-centered casino Mainly b/c young women suck at math and physics (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2841455&forum_id=2#27574992) |
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Date: March 29th, 2015 12:01 PM Author: vigorous house-broken school (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2841455&forum_id=2#27575690) |
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Date: March 29th, 2015 3:18 PM Author: Sickened Talented Electric Furnace (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2841455&forum_id=2#27576676) |
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Date: March 29th, 2015 3:20 PM Author: brindle comical temple lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2841455&forum_id=2#27576684) |
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Date: March 29th, 2015 8:47 AM Author: fishy fear-inspiring place of business Law isnt dominated by olds in that the olds dont actually do any of the work. Olds do none of the work -- they just take all of the credit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2841455&forum_id=2#27575020) |
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Date: March 29th, 2015 9:24 AM Author: Appetizing Topaz Corn Cake Therapy Cognitive decline in mid 20s (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2841455&forum_id=2#27575094) |
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Date: March 29th, 2015 11:04 AM Author: Salmon Histrionic Haunted Graveyard Explain why lawyers blossom in their 40s and 50s (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2841455&forum_id=2#27575492) |
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Date: March 29th, 2015 11:05 AM Author: titillating whorehouse french chef Date: March 29th, 2015 9:24 AM Author: smarmy tomato
Cognitive decline in mid 20s |
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Date: March 29th, 2015 3:19 PM Author: mind-boggling buff church building kitty lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2841455&forum_id=2#27576682) |
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Date: March 29th, 2015 11:06 AM Author: Red well-lubricated corner law concepts arent difficult so experience matters more. for math you need all neurons firing and dat YOUTHFUL INSPIRATION to move shit forward. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2841455&forum_id=2#27575497) |
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Date: March 29th, 2015 11:08 AM Author: multi-colored brilliant gay wizard step-uncle's house the fields are completely different. high-level physics and math performance requires deep insights as well as flexible and novel problem solving. law is much more of a crystallized skill that can only be developed over time through rigorous practice and experience. it's the same reason why performance on pattern recognition tests shows a decline by the mid-20s while scores on vocabulary tests often increase for decades after that point. the brain is still acquiring new knowledge even though its basic hardware is slowly breaking down. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2841455&forum_id=2#27575505) |
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Date: March 29th, 2015 11:09 AM Author: cruel-hearted property well said (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2841455&forum_id=2#27575508) |
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Date: March 29th, 2015 11:12 AM Author: Anal feces kitchen Discovery is generally a young mans game. I think there is a certain element of the frog in boiling water parable at play.
Its the same reason when I was 10 years old I knew Mark McGwire was on steroids yet Bob Costas and Peter Gammons were shocked despite being baseball experts interacting with players every day. It's more readily apparent to a 10 year old that humans aren't supposed to look like that. |
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Date: March 29th, 2015 11:33 AM Author: razzmatazz self-centered casino For at least some areas in each subject, I imagine it has something to do with being on the cutting edge with up-to-date training in a field that is ripe for new discoveries. You either discover something quickly in a field with lots of "mysteries", or someone else does, and you're left with no problems that are solvable with your particular knowledge base. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2841455&forum_id=2#27575594) |
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Date: March 29th, 2015 11:58 AM Author: tan dashing incel this sounds more correct. i also think there's a certain amount of luck associated with discovery: you were lucky enough to study the right material in the right order, which enabled you to connect the dots and make the discovery. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2841455&forum_id=2#27575681) |
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Date: March 29th, 2015 11:35 AM Author: Cerebral shrine windowlicker (tries to remember chain rule 10 years post college) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2841455&forum_id=2#27575600) |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 4:27 AM Author: Diverse Center Mediation fuck my ass (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2841455&forum_id=2#27580670) |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 4:38 AM Author: concupiscible pisswyrm it's worth learning it again if you don't remember it. it's not that complicated. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2841455&forum_id=2#27580687) |
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Date: March 29th, 2015 12:00 PM Author: Cheese-eating Emerald Private Investor "*Terence Tao produced his best work in his late 20s and early 30s (he is 39 now and no longer draws attention for his work)"
Lolllll |
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Date: March 29th, 2015 12:47 PM Author: Cheese-eating Emerald Private Investor you're genuinely retarded, Ted Cruz (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2841455&forum_id=2#27575880) |
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Date: March 29th, 2015 12:00 PM Author: Pearly chest-beating boltzmann Because once you get married and have kids you stop trying to set the world on fire.
I saw a study once where a scientist's age at the time of their greatest discovery was correlated with the age at which they got married. Basically we only do work to get laid. |
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Date: March 29th, 2015 1:04 PM Author: Cerebral shrine windowlicker cr. marriage is when scientists learn logic is flame (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2841455&forum_id=2#27575925) |
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Date: March 29th, 2015 6:08 PM Author: Impertinent Dingle Berry Tanning Salon do physicists actually get chicks? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2841455&forum_id=2#27577785) |
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Date: March 29th, 2015 6:14 PM Author: Navy piazza lol r u kidding look at hollywood, physicists = alpha as fuark poon slayers mathematicians = basketcase weirdos physicists: feynman, noted LSD proponent and pussy getter; hawking: can literally slay yellow puss without any motor neurons firing mathematicians: john nash, psycho; etc |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 4:30 AM Author: Domesticated ticket booth degenerate you're such a dumb fucking faggot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2841455&forum_id=2#27580676) |
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Date: March 29th, 2015 12:34 PM Author: Apoplectic university because olds aren't smart or even creative any more. all good music was made by youngs too. pretty sure all acclaimed literature written by olds is flame (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2841455&forum_id=2#27575822) |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 4:29 AM Author: chartreuse heaven yeah, it's part imagination and intelligence. the imagination wanes as we get older and that part of the brain just shuts the fuck down. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2841455&forum_id=2#27580673) |
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Date: March 29th, 2015 1:08 PM Author: rusted gas station liquid oxygen i want to read this
http://www.amazon.com/Old-Masters-Young-Geniuses-Creativity/dp/0691133808 |
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Date: March 29th, 2015 3:20 PM Author: mind-boggling buff church building kitty sharklasers and the other math people here say that this isn't actually true. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2841455&forum_id=2#27576685) |
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Date: March 29th, 2015 5:53 PM Author: effete wagecucks chad http://mathoverflow.net/questions/191929/are-there-any-serious-investigations-of-whether-mathematicians-do-their-best-wo/191980#191980 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2841455&forum_id=2#27577679) |
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Date: March 29th, 2015 6:15 PM Author: Navy piazza it is true, but not as much due to age qua age so much as age qua deference to the status quo and kids/wife i realize I'm only in my early 30s, but I've been married for a decade and my raw intellectual horsepower seems to only be increasing - i'm forming connections between ideas i never thought of before, and in the math/logic i do in my spare time, it seems to be getting easier, as i'm seeing more creative approaches than i did when i was a young man, and i'm more willing to take risks i was an abstract math major fwiw so not like i'm some law dork who dint no shit |
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Date: March 30th, 2015 4:32 AM Author: Domesticated ticket booth degenerate also the modern academic structure means that your dissertation phase of PhD and postdoc, a stretch of 4-8 years usually depending on how things go (where shorter is better, so the brightest people actually have less time) are really the only periods you have to fully dedicate to research. once you become a prof it's back to teaching, more politics, managing students, etc. which seriously cuts into your own research time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2841455&forum_id=2#27580679) |
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Date: March 29th, 2015 5:18 PM Author: lake address affirmative action proficiency in law has a wisdom component proficiency in math is apparently hindered somewhat by wisdom or, at least, not helped |