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Brooklyn Law School dean in anti-bar exam tirade:

from: The Ugly Truth About What's Going Wrong in Americ...
Disturbing up-to-no-good locale
  04/16/15
If anything, the bar exam is too easy.
naked big therapy
  04/16/15
Cr. The old Japanese bar exam with its 2-3% pass rate was p...
Azure Vengeful Mental Disorder Factory Reset Button
  04/17/15
Law school is still a thing? Really? In 2015?
saffron aggressive friendly grandma
  04/16/15
HOW DO I REACH THESE KEEDS? http://i.imgur.com/ZHgEfSp.jp...
naked big therapy
  04/16/15
lulz
fluffy resort nowag
  04/16/15
"I can't believe students are falling for this bar exam...
bossy stain menage
  04/16/15
He should go to jail for these statements.
Histrionic Stage
  04/16/15
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hairraiser very tactful windowlicker senate
  04/16/15
I'm going to go with "BLS students are getting even mor...
Azure Vengeful Mental Disorder Factory Reset Button
  04/16/15
The stupider law student thing likely will definitely come i...
fluffy resort nowag
  04/16/15
She's right. MBE is now way the fuck harder than it was a co...
buck-toothed adventurous station
  04/16/15
(Guy who failed the bar exam 4 straight times)
Marvelous Keepsake Machete Stage
  04/16/15
I passed CA first try in 2011 bro. Took feb 2015 to get adm...
buck-toothed adventurous station
  04/16/15
lol, no it's not, but the caliber of people going to law sch...
Free-loading office
  04/16/15
I passed CA in 2011. Took it February 2015 and it is unquest...
buck-toothed adventurous station
  04/16/15
BS. 4 years of practice just fried your brain. I took the CP...
Free-loading office
  04/16/15
It's possible. The content just felt much different though. ...
buck-toothed adventurous station
  04/16/15
it definitely felt different from all the MBE practice quest...
fluffy resort nowag
  04/16/15
Oh shit brother, did you take feb 2015? I didn't know there ...
buck-toothed adventurous station
  04/16/15
the claim that working somehow causes your cognitive abilite...
spectacular theater
  04/16/15
this is the biggest year over year drop in like 10 years and...
fluffy resort nowag
  04/16/15
...
fluffy resort nowag
  04/16/15
(polisci shithead who doesn't understand IRT)
Sable nighttime mad-dog skullcap
  04/16/15
International racquetball tour? Interboroigh rapid transit? ...
buck-toothed adventurous station
  04/16/15


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Date: April 16th, 2015 6:09 PM
Author: Disturbing up-to-no-good locale

from:

The Ugly Truth About What's Going Wrong in American Law Schools

With test scores and bar-passage rates falling, academics grope for answers

The news from law school campuses has gone from bad to worse. Who's suffering? Does it matter?

My colleague Natalie Kitroeff ably chronicles the dismal times in legal education. "Fewer people with high Law School Admission Test scores are applying to and enrolling in law school, and less-qualified students are filling their slots," she reports in her latest dispatch, and she's got the stats to prove it.

In December, Kitroeff investigated a burgeoning controversy over why bar exam passage rates plummeted last year, a trend, she notes, that appears to be persisting, if at a more moderate rate, as results begin to trickle in this year.

Are law students getting dumber, foreshadowing a future dip in the talents available to legal clients nationwide? Or are aspiring attorneys getting a bad rap?

The National Conference of Bar Examiners (NCBE), the nonprofit that creates the multiple-choice portion of the test used by many states, goes with the diminished-intellect theory. "The group that sat [for bar exams] in July 2014 was less able than the group that sat in July 2013," NCBE President Erica Moeser said in a blunt memo to law deans last October.

"That's just baloney," Brooklyn Law School's Dean Nick Allard tells me. An innovative leader scrambling to keep his venerable institution afloat in a shrinking legal job market, Allard alleges darkly that unnamed pooh-bahs are fixing the system to exclude his scrappy students. "It's a jaw-dropping story," he says. "The NCBE is a powerful testing organization with a web of financial interests that has an outsize role in determining the future careers of law school graduates." Tens of thousands of law school graduates, he adds, "are ripped off by the bar exam scam twice a year."

The NCBE's Moeser flatly denies there's anything awry. Her group rechecked its scoring and determined "the results are correct."...

There aren't enough jobs for the 120,000 students enrolled at accredited law schools, let alone those poor souls wasting their tuition dollars at non-accredited institutions.

Darkening employment prospects, reasonably enough, have discouraged some number of smart college seniors from applying to law school in the first place. Diminishing applications leads to increased competition for top students, forcing less prestigious schools to fill seats with less promising candidates. Which takes us back to the shrinking number of impressive LSAT scores.

Elite schools are doing fine (for now). It's the former night schools, the stand-alones, and the lesser state schools that are seeing graduates struggle—both on the bar exam and in the job market. Check out a Nov. 25, 2014, letter sent to the NCBE by Allard and 78 other law deans, questioning "the integrity and fairness" of the July 2014 exam. No Harvard, Yale, or Stanford.

Hard questions have to be asked at law schools whose modest reputations and forgiving admission standards do not ensure their graduates gainful employment. Time to reduce entering classes? Shut some schools altogether? The law education bubble is over.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-04-16/the-ugly-truth-about-what-s-going-wrong-in-american-law-schools

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2856874&forum_id=2#27703698)



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Date: April 16th, 2015 6:32 PM
Author: naked big therapy

If anything, the bar exam is too easy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2856874&forum_id=2#27703827)



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Date: April 17th, 2015 12:33 AM
Author: Azure Vengeful Mental Disorder Factory Reset Button

Cr. The old Japanese bar exam with its 2-3% pass rate was probably a little tough but even the CA bar at 48.6% is too high.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2856874&forum_id=2#27705956)



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Date: April 16th, 2015 6:16 PM
Author: saffron aggressive friendly grandma

Law school is still a thing? Really? In 2015?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2856874&forum_id=2#27703730)



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Date: April 16th, 2015 6:32 PM
Author: naked big therapy

HOW DO I REACH THESE KEEDS?

http://i.imgur.com/ZHgEfSp.jpg



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2856874&forum_id=2#27703815)



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Date: April 16th, 2015 6:32 PM
Author: fluffy resort nowag

lulz

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2856874&forum_id=2#27703823)



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Date: April 16th, 2015 6:35 PM
Author: bossy stain menage

"I can't believe students are falling for this bar exam scam", lisps dean of shitlaw school that charges $46,000 per year.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2856874&forum_id=2#27703843)



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Date: April 16th, 2015 7:22 PM
Author: Histrionic Stage

He should go to jail for these statements.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2856874&forum_id=2#27704117)



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Date: April 16th, 2015 9:00 PM
Author: hairraiser very tactful windowlicker senate



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2856874&forum_id=2#27704613)



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Date: April 16th, 2015 7:27 PM
Author: Azure Vengeful Mental Disorder Factory Reset Button

I'm going to go with "BLS students are getting even more stupid" as the answer, thanks.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2856874&forum_id=2#27704124)



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Date: April 16th, 2015 8:05 PM
Author: fluffy resort nowag

The stupider law student thing likely will definitely come in to play soon, it just didn't in class of 14..stats of entering class virtually same as 13. BLS dean is right as far as that go3s. But just wait for class of 2017

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2856874&forum_id=2#27704323)



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Date: April 16th, 2015 8:40 PM
Author: buck-toothed adventurous station

She's right. MBE is now way the fuck harder than it was a couple years ago and the faggot NCBE won't admit it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2856874&forum_id=2#27704496)



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Date: April 16th, 2015 8:41 PM
Author: Marvelous Keepsake Machete Stage

(Guy who failed the bar exam 4 straight times)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2856874&forum_id=2#27704507)



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Date: April 16th, 2015 8:44 PM
Author: buck-toothed adventurous station

I passed CA first try in 2011 bro. Took feb 2015 to get admitted in a different state and it was hard as fuck.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2856874&forum_id=2#27704523)



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Date: April 16th, 2015 8:42 PM
Author: Free-loading office

lol, no it's not, but the caliber of people going to law school is way lower than it was 10 years ago. You're all dumbs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2856874&forum_id=2#27704513)



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Date: April 16th, 2015 8:45 PM
Author: buck-toothed adventurous station

I passed CA in 2011. Took it February 2015 and it is unquestionably more difficult

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2856874&forum_id=2#27704529)



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Date: April 16th, 2015 8:49 PM
Author: Free-loading office

BS. 4 years of practice just fried your brain. I took the CPA after 5-6 years of working as a lawyer and studying for it kicked my ass because I was a fucking old and my brain turned to mush after working all those years and studying nothing. I objectively know the CPA is easier than the bar, but it FELT harder to me because I was unused to taking tests and studying after all those years of not doing it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2856874&forum_id=2#27704553)



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Date: April 16th, 2015 8:52 PM
Author: buck-toothed adventurous station

It's possible. The content just felt much different though. Very obscure exceptions being tested and very few gimme questions.

Do you wish me good luck brother? Results are in a couple weeks

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2856874&forum_id=2#27704570)



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Date: April 16th, 2015 8:53 PM
Author: fluffy resort nowag

it definitely felt different from all the MBE practice questions I had

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2856874&forum_id=2#27704575)



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Date: April 16th, 2015 8:58 PM
Author: buck-toothed adventurous station

Oh shit brother, did you take feb 2015? I didn't know there was anyone else taking it on this shitbort.

Yeah I thought it was whack. Just unnecessarily obscure questions.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2856874&forum_id=2#27704605)



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Date: April 16th, 2015 8:57 PM
Author: spectacular theater

the claim that working somehow causes your cognitive abilites to decline--at least insofar as they relate to standardized testing--always seemed suspect to me. Especially in practicing law, since that's essentially a never ending term paper.

I can see how working makes you less creative, your perspective narrower, etc. Just not worse at taking m/c tests.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2856874&forum_id=2#27704598)



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Date: April 16th, 2015 8:53 PM
Author: fluffy resort nowag

this is the biggest year over year drop in like 10 years and the entering class statistics don't (yet) back up the claim that the law students were less qualified (that will likely happen in the next couple of yrs).



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2856874&forum_id=2#27704574)



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Date: April 16th, 2015 8:42 PM
Author: fluffy resort nowag



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2856874&forum_id=2#27704515)



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Date: April 16th, 2015 9:13 PM
Author: Sable nighttime mad-dog skullcap

(polisci shithead who doesn't understand IRT)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2856874&forum_id=2#27704721)



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Date: April 16th, 2015 9:20 PM
Author: buck-toothed adventurous station

International racquetball tour? Interboroigh rapid transit? What the fuck are you talking about you stupid fucking faggot?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2856874&forum_id=2#27704749)