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Date: May 19th, 2015 7:14 PM Author: amethyst embarrassed to the bone base hissy fit Lol @ making 250-300k in midlaw in a high COL area. Sorry earl ur done here. And I don't even always agree with TT. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27923592) |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 7:18 PM Author: Tantric Judgmental Legal Warrant Station A bit more than that, but I never said I am a role model for a successful legal career. I do my best and get by. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27923621) |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 7:19 PM Author: amethyst embarrassed to the bone base hissy fit But you were shitting on solos as a drain on the system earlier. Your job has far more systemic costs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27923627) |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 7:25 PM Author: Tantric Judgmental Legal Warrant Station no not at all. I am shitting on TT a little, because for all his trolling, he basically admits to being half a shitlaw litigator. He is correct that it is profitable to settle every case as quickly as possible, but not because it is always to the clients benefit (though it may be 90% of the time), but because he is incapable of taking a case to trial.
Part of his freedom and ability to save stems from irresponsibility. By his own admission, he cannot and will not front any trial or witness costs. He doesn't have trial experience.
So he is effective at settling shitlaw cases in volume, but he is unable to represent his client properly if for some reason it is in the client's best interest to go to trial. |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 7:28 PM Author: Grizzly Racy Goal In Life wouldn't he pass it along and just cop referral fee if it was really that slam dunk of a case (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27923701) |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 7:30 PM Author: Tantric Judgmental Legal Warrant Station maybe, but I think companies usually settle slam dunk cases.
He probably stands to earn more from a lowball settlement than referring a case to trial and getting a slice of the judgment. |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 7:32 PM Author: Yellow Spectacular Mediation Resort my clients get overcompensated for the damages they have already suffered you piece of shit, its only cause i have experience and can litigate shit past MSJ that corporations pay money for cases that arent even that viable (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27923745) |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 7:32 PM Author: Yellow Spectacular Mediation Resort loll ur such a fukign tool, this is a business, just like u raping ur clients charging them 500 bucks plus an hour, for work that is often paralegal flame shit and moreover devoid of any fucking policing of your actual hours worked versus the flame shit listed on the bill
if i wanted to take a case to trial i would, but its not in my client's interest and the judicial system is not built on every case or even 10% of cases going to trial... ur just a typical NOWAG troll who doesn't even understand the legal system cause ur only legal jobs have been doing slave work for jews and then getting paid every two weeks.. u have no concept of anything other than sucking ass to survive in miserable work environments |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 7:34 PM Author: Tantric Judgmental Legal Warrant Station you seem pretty angry. There is nothing wrong with being a litigator and not being able to litigate in trial. you can still make a decent living with it with it apparently. props to you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27923757) |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 7:35 PM Author: Yellow Spectacular Mediation Resort newsflash, 90% of biglaw "litigators" almost NEVER take a case to trial and wld shit in their pants if one went to trial, they know thats the number one way litigators lose clients and they dont hav ethe expperience to handle it, they often pass it off to fucking actual trial lawyers, so if u think what im doing is fraud, again u just have no idea aby the legal profession cause u live in ur little fuking bitchmade cocoon (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27923770) |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 7:37 PM Author: Tantric Judgmental Legal Warrant Station from my experience most firms have at least a few people who would know what they are doing in an actual trial. Who would you go to for help? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27923781) |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 7:39 PM Author: Yellow Spectacular Mediation Resort myself u faggot, i know enough to survive, i know three p's solos in my practice area who in last two years have each won their first trial and copped 600k to 1.5mm verdicts... its all just procedure and just goin with the flow, i have nothing to lose either versus a biglaw faggot who will lose his client if he loses bigtime
the point though is that my business model is not fking dependent on taking shit cases to trial, and neither is BIGLAW's, so just fuk urself |
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Date: May 20th, 2015 11:37 AM Author: Chestnut Jap guy who nobody on xoxo would ever want representing them at trial (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27928154) |
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Date: May 20th, 2015 11:38 AM Author: Grizzly Racy Goal In Life he's obv good AF at what he does. i bet his clients cop better settlements than what they could get with other shitlawyers (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27928160) |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 7:34 PM Author: Grizzly Racy Goal In Life earl btfo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27923759) |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 7:34 PM Author: amethyst embarrassed to the bone base hissy fit I'm gonna let this play out. Driving. Will respond later (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27923758) |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 7:42 PM Author: Odious gas station So? The vast majority of cases should settle and many that go to trial shouldn't. Part of being a litigator is navigating the system and putting your client in a position to get a favorable settlement in lieu of rolling the dice and going to trial. I haven't followed TT at all but your criticism of solo litigators just seems more like you shitting on someone else without really knowing what you are talking about. Something you also shit on other posters for. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27923809) |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 7:45 PM Author: Tantric Judgmental Legal Warrant Station no no no. I am giving TT a hard time because he settles everything - not just because it is beneficial for the client (which it may be 95% of the time), but also because it fits his business model of spending nothing out of pocket on litigation costs and also because he is not capable of taking a case to trial.
I have no criticism of solo litigators provided they are capable of representing their client in a trial in the unlikely event that this is in the best interests of the client. |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 7:47 PM Author: Odious gas station Ok I agree with this. You should be ABLE to go to trial on any case you take and the decision should be the clients. For instance today in shitlaw paradise I almost took a traffic ticket to trial. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27923840) |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 7:49 PM Author: Tantric Judgmental Legal Warrant Station yeah. My criticism of TT is that he brags about controlling costs by cutting out the hard part of being a litigator. When you worry more about your business model than representing a client, you have a problem. Of course that's a risk with contingency work. For hourly clients, we can tell them to fuck off if they dont want to pay for whatever work they ask us to do. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27923854) |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 7:51 PM Author: sinister point "I joined this profession because I care about excellence in customer service", he lisped (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27923877) |
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Date: May 20th, 2015 4:32 AM Author: iridescent home (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27927012) |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 7:51 PM Author: Yellow Spectacular Mediation Resort i have no obligation to blow 50k on a shit case that is worth 35k u shit head, and that wld actually rape my client cause id fuking hve to take the whole settlement just to cover my costs, and as i mentioned in my other thread i spend over 1k advancing costs on almost all my cases cause i have to pay fo the fucking mediator soo ur just dumb as shit judigng a solo practice on how much the lawyer rapes himself financially for some TTT shit client.... and again, id just be raping the client too if i blew 10k of my own money and then took that 10k off the client's share on top of my 40% contingency fee.. the client wld literally get shafted (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27923880) |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 8:07 PM Author: Odious gas station Why are litigators in private practice required to be more altruistic than you? If you are hired to provide a service and the client runs out of money mid way through the deal do you continue working? Give back their money they've ready spent? Not sue them for fees? How is this not putting the business model before the client's interests? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27923996) |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 8:08 PM Author: Tantric Judgmental Legal Warrant Station We don't take work on contingency. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27924013) |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 8:11 PM Author: Yellow Spectacular Mediation Resort he is referring to how if a client stops paying ur firm's bills mid way through u arent just going to keep working for free, ur firm also takes into account the financial status of the client/case and is not willing to just work for free and advance costs for a case that is not going to generate revenue for the firm... its no different from a solo p's (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27924038) |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 8:14 PM Author: Tantric Judgmental Legal Warrant Station except when you take a case on contingency, you take on some risk that you might lose money on the transaction, in return for a chunk of the upside disproportionate in many cases to what you would have gotten billing hourly for your work.
Out of curiosity do you tell clients signing your engagement letter that you are just seeking the best settlement for them and that you will under almost no circumstance go to trial? |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 8:19 PM Author: Odious gas station Brother this is like Mitt Romney positing that a hot dog costs $12 or something. You just don't know what you are talking about. Most people are afraid of being in a court and want to settle quickly without going to trial. I've done my share of civil cases and assure people that their matter almost certainly will not go to trial. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27924134) |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 8:20 PM Author: Yellow Spectacular Mediation Resort this is just not true, u take on the risk that ur WORK will not be compensated for if there is no recovery, but legally u arent assuming the COSTS, my fee agreement which is based off the standard CA Bar contingent fee agreements provides that a client has to repay me for any COSTS i advance even if i LOSE the case, they fire me, or I get court permission to withdraw
this is the irony of ur argument, by advancing costs for a client i am just riskign that they will get RAPED even more, i spent 20k on an expert, that may be my money but legally it is their money, and it either comes out of the settlement or they repay me....
and my contingent fee agreement says the client has sole discetiion to settle, but that under the ethical rules im REQUIRED to seek permission to withdraw as counsel if they reject a reasonable settlement and continue litigation for the sole purpose of harassing the other side.... that is all im required to tell them, u have no obligation to be a kamikaze pilot, if i ever had to go to trial it wld be because i had a truly great case and the other side wldnt pay up, not because some retard client who has no idea abt legal system or value of their case thinks it wld be cool to go to trial, my job as a lawyer is tell them what their case is worth,
have no obligation take every case or even 10% of cases to trial, that is just BS , u live in some nowag fantasy land
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Date: May 19th, 2015 8:52 PM Author: beta unholy bawdyhouse Earl's battle against TT was on this field lost; regathering his troops he headed west, towards Diesel. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27924457) |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 8:54 PM Author: Marvelous magical roast beef temple 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27924478) |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 11:54 PM Author: Angry flesh principal's office gay wizard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27925955) |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 11:56 PM Author: Odious gas station (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27925978) |
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Date: May 20th, 2015 4:52 AM Author: Supple startled boistinker (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27927032) |
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Date: May 20th, 2015 9:37 AM Author: arousing well-lubricated plaza headpube VERY pro-earl, but lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27927563) |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 8:54 PM Author: Marvelous magical roast beef temple (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27924474) |
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Date: May 20th, 2015 12:04 AM Author: Passionate Mauve Den Newt why is rejecting settlement necessarily solely for the purpose of "harassing" the other side, even if the case is probably an objective loser? i don't think your construction of the applicable cannons matches mine (not that i much care, much less care to chastise you in particular) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27926033) |
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Date: May 20th, 2015 11:34 AM Author: Yellow Spectacular Mediation Resort dont really understand what ur saying but im saying if a client rejects a reasonable settlement and demands something extreme that is legally unjustified then they are just continiing case to harass other side, which is unethical per ethics rules (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27928134) |
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Date: May 20th, 2015 11:43 AM Author: Chestnut Jap "under the ethical rules im REQUIRED to seek permission to withdraw as counsel if they reject a reasonable settlement and continue litigation for the sole purpose of harassing the other side" what kind of drivel nonsense is this? you have little clients harassing the big guy? no fucking way. also, it is almost never the case that the 'sole purpose' of continuing litigation is to harass the other side and it is also almost never the case where you can objectively determine a settlement offer is reasonable, at least not until a trial occurs. reasonable is a fluff word. the exception would be where the offer is equal to the maximum being sought, but that's not likely. |
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Date: May 20th, 2015 11:53 AM Author: Yellow Spectacular Mediation Resort I'm saying where the client doesnt want to do 35k at mediation, still wants 300k plus or something even though their best possible damages legally are not even 20k. In that case they are just continuing the case to harass the other side. I'm talking abt cases where they basically mention that, "I dont want to settle, fuck these fuckers, let them pay for their own attorneys, that makes me happier than any money they can pay me"
If they say shit like that then fuck them. I'm withdrawing. |
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Date: May 20th, 2015 11:57 AM Author: Chestnut Jap okay, i'm confused. you represent plaintiffs, right? if you represent plaintiffs, they you have set the 'best possible damages' outcome in your pleading. you can't ethically seek $300k if you believe the 'best possible damages' are $20k. disagree? |
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Date: May 20th, 2015 11:59 AM Author: Yellow Spectacular Mediation Resort ? what are you talking about... i NEVER list how much my demand is in the pleadings.. i just list the damages they are seeking
its only later i make a demand or they ask for a demand or we go to mediation and i make a first offer at mediation
and of course i can ethically seek whatever amount as long as it does not exceeed a damages cap, taht is part of the bargaining process inn order to get to a fair number.. if i made my ACTUAL desired number my first offer then im just fuking my client in the ass cause ill have to settle for a much lower number |
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Date: May 20th, 2015 12:04 PM Author: Chestnut Jap damages being sought do not need to be plausible? i know it's easy enough to point to bullshit lawsuits with ridiculous claims of damages being made, but they way you are saying it you might as well always seek damages at the cap in your initial pleadings. is that true? if so, i don't believe that's ethical. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27928293) |
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Date: May 20th, 2015 12:06 PM Author: Yellow Spectacular Mediation Resort there is no cap for damages in my practice area other than the general 10:1 cap on punitives but that is not applicable to my TTT cases
you can always allege that emotional distress is XYZ amount so its whatever.. i dont make high initial offers, like 125k is about as high as i want to go, its purely for bargaining position, but even justifying it legally u cld say it was attributable to emotional distress damages |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 8:11 PM Author: Odious gas station Yeah I get that but presumably you are retained to complete some kind of transaction and take a retainer. When the retainer runs out and the client says I've got no more money do you still finish the deal? If not how is this different than making a business decision not to spend the time and money on a trial that will leave you in the red. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27924045) |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 8:15 PM Author: Tantric Judgmental Legal Warrant Station the nature of contingency work is that the lawyer takes a risk for a share of the upside. Hourly slaves like myself get paid no matter what, but we dont get to buy ourselves private jets when out client makes $600 million closing a deal. We get $200K in fees. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27924099) |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 8:20 PM Author: Odious gas station Right but those cases are worth trying because a lot is at stake. I assumed TT is taking a high volume of low value cases. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27924142) |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 8:23 PM Author: Yellow Spectacular Mediation Resort see above, u are confusing FEES with COSTS.. a contingent fee lawyer has no legal obligaton to pay for a client's costs even if he loses.. the risk inherent in contingent fee work is with respect to compensation for the lawyers TIME, not for any costs advanced (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27924169) |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 8:29 PM Author: Tantric Judgmental Legal Warrant Station that's true. you are under no obligation to advance any costs.
Do you tell clients beforehand that you will not go to trial? Curious what they expect. |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 8:34 PM Author: Odious gas station i love how you keep moving the goal posts. your first criticism was that he's unwilling to go to trial which you've decided is what "real litigation" is. Oh wait it's actually OK and completely ethical if he doesn't want to blindly run into trial just because the client says so. Then the criticism was a general "you put the business model ahead of the client's interest." But yeah that's OK to do too.
Now you are accusing him of misleading clients? do you accuse lawyers IRL of unethical behavior? Do you think it's misleading to pad your bill and send a client an invoice containing more hours than you actually worked? |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 8:37 PM Author: Grizzly Racy Goal In Life damn bloodacre don't hurt im (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27924301) |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 8:39 PM Author: Yellow Spectacular Mediation Resort he's a good hapa, didnt do nuffin (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27924328) |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 8:42 PM Author: Tantric Judgmental Legal Warrant Station because you are right, I am not a litigator, I misspoke about advancing costs versus eating fees.
You said yourself that:
"Ok I agree with this. You should be ABLE to go to trial on any case you take and the decision should be the clients. For instance today in Shias paradise I almost took a traffic ticket to trial."
TT keeps coming on to say he has no obligation to bankrupt himself or to take every case, or even 10% of cases to trial just cause idiot clients demand it. I am curious whether he would be able to take ONE case to trial, or if he has not bothered with that part of preparation and learning (which I would imagine is important to a solo lawyer) because he has decided ahead of time that it is just not going to happen. |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 8:49 PM Author: Yellow Spectacular Mediation Resort its not the clients decision to decide whether it is worthwhile to take a case to trial, that is a legal decision for the lawyer based on whether the settlement offer at mediation are appropriate for the client's damages or whether continuing the cast towrards trial is appropriate in order to maximize settlement
ive had one case that settled 1-2 months before trial but it was SPS so the settlement was more than possible damages again u queer, if i had a 180 case and they wldnt pay i have no prob taking it to trail or arbitration hearing.. i have one right now i wldnt mind doing but most cases are not apprpriate for trial and wld not even survive MSJ possibly
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Date: May 19th, 2015 8:53 PM Author: Tantric Judgmental Legal Warrant Station I guess everyone has a first trial at some point. hopefully you will be prepared for yours and do well. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27924462) |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 8:55 PM Author: Marvelous magical roast beef temple What is this passive aggressive faggotry. admit you got pwnd by trying to be a MFE on shit you know little about (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27924481) |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 8:56 PM Author: Yellow Spectacular Mediation Resort i have done trial work before faggot i just never first or second chaired one but i know all the paperwork needed u shithead (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27924493) |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 8:57 PM Author: Tantric Judgmental Legal Warrant Station cool. I do honestly hope you will let us know what your first solo trial is like. You put an interesting spin on things. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27924517) |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 8:59 PM Author: Yellow Spectacular Mediation Resort ljl u got pwn'd u faggot, go back to reviewing ur contract and overbilling for it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27924532) |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 9:01 PM Author: Marvelous magical roast beef temple No need to gloat TT. Despite your ongoing beef, if PN ever was spamming your name, you could go to earl and he'd take care of it. He may be catty Azn dad sometimes, but he doesn't hold grudges (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27924551) |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 9:05 PM Author: Tantric Judgmental Legal Warrant Station No honestly, if you feel that you are capable of taking the right case to trial, then my criticism doesn't really apply.
I was giving you shit because from your previous posts I thought you literally were incapable of taking a case to trial and thus were only able to take a case to the settlement stage and would refuse to do more. Maybe they nature of most of your clients at this point is such that it is one and the same. I also gave you shit because you are an asshole, but that doesn't bother me too much. |
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Date: May 20th, 2015 11:52 AM Author: Chestnut Jap "its not the clients decision to decide whether it is worthwhile to take a case to trial, that is a legal decision for the lawyer based on whether the settlement offer at mediation are appropriate for the client's damages or whether continuing the cast towrards trial is appropriate in order to maximize settlement" your phrasing is a fucking mess. it is always the client's decision whether or not to take a case to trial unless you clarify in your engagement letter that it is not and it is your call to make. i wouldn't call that a 'legal decision', either, it's just a judgment call. i'd guess that taking away a client's ability to go to trial is a fucking ethical mess that leaves you vulnerable to complaints and disgruntled clients. can you post your engagement letter's language on this point? i'm curious how you get around the potential pitfalls. |
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Date: May 20th, 2015 11:55 AM Author: Yellow Spectacular Mediation Resort No, a client is hiring a lawyer to give them proper advice about the legal value of their case, and legal chances at prevailing at trial. It is not a client's right to refuse to settle becacuse they haev some Judge Judy's view of trial and want to go all the way. I have a ethical duty to warn them of all the pitfuls and risks including that they could be forced to pay for the other sides costs and even attorney fees i.e. have to declare bankruptcy.
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Date: May 20th, 2015 12:02 PM Author: Chestnut Jap here goes wtf is 'proper' advice? 'legal chances at prevailing at trial' is just a fucking guess even for trial attorneys and you aren't that 'it's not a client's right to refuse to settle'. it's always a client's right to refuse to settle unless it's not because you've made them give away that right to you which i doubt is ethically possible. 'ethical duty to warn' absolutely agree. this is why it is their call to make. if you warn them about all of the pitfalls and they still want a trial, the client should get a trial. |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 8:37 PM Author: Yellow Spectacular Mediation Resort i tell the truth that 97% plus of cases do not go to trial and that it is very rare and that if they go to trial its very sterssful for the client, expensive, and often counter productive becacuse a jury is unpredictable so you cannot rely on them ruling in ur favor. I tell them that almost all cases settle at mediation and that if we canot settle at mediation then the case cld get dmissed by the judge at MSJ. I also mention its not like Judge Judy or a TV show. Also mention to my clients who have emotional distress damages that they will be subjected to a instrustive pysch exam by some faggot bullshit defense expert witness pysch who can ask them abt all sorts of personal shit in their life
Of course solo Earl wld tell them some lying bogus BS abt how he is a valiant warrior who will take the client's SHIT case to trial and advance 50k in costs because that is what VALIANT WARRIOR TRIAL LAWYERS like hapa faggot earl do and surely the jury will rule in the clients favor and all cases shld be prepared for trial
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Date: May 19th, 2015 8:42 PM Author: Grizzly Racy Goal In Life (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27924357) |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 8:10 PM Author: Yellow Spectacular Mediation Resort lol, this... earl of course has never actually thought abt this cause he's never had to think aboiut the business of law since he's just suked joo cock to get paid every two weeks.. he thinks his salary grows on trees from the gods (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27924024) |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 7:50 PM Author: Yellow Spectacular Mediation Resort lol u have this self pwning AZNmentality that a solo's duty is to blow his own money investing on a client's case regardless of the point of spending the money, there is no rule providing for that and it is stupid to spend money unless it is justified. i still spend over a thousand bucks a case for each of my clients including mediator's fees so ur just a faggot. i just blew almost 2k for a faggot mediator for some bitch ass cunt so just STFU, have u ever personally advanced costs, even a dime, for a fucking client u piece of shit? all u do is fucking bill hours and obey ur master boss, no different than a factory worker at a iphone factory in china..... just stfu
the term "capable" of taking a case to trial is just stupid. i am fully capable of going to trial. am i super experienced in that? no, but neither are 98% of the defense lawyers who i go against, so ur whole argument is just fucking stupid. its like saying no one should play in the NBA unless they can dunk.. just STFU faggot |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 7:50 PM Author: startling heady forum gunner u seem really mad bro... go smoke a joint and bang a woman or something and chill out (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27923870) |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 7:52 PM Author: Yellow Spectacular Mediation Resort i hate striver NOWAGS with a passion (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27923886) |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 8:00 PM Author: Grizzly Racy Goal In Life i love earl but TT is pwning souls itt (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27923933) |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 8:03 PM Author: misanthropic rehab (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27923954) |
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Date: May 20th, 2015 4:36 AM Author: iridescent home (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27927016) |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 7:51 PM Author: sadistic deep ticket booth this seems like a misrepresentation. thought he valued cases at intake so its not like something unforeseen will occur later on (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27923872) |
Date: May 19th, 2015 7:15 PM Author: wild theatre These posters are annoying because they try to be both models of success and yet chill, "welp it is what it is! high col!" nutella-esquers.
Can't be both ways. |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 7:18 PM Author: amethyst embarrassed to the bone base hissy fit Earls salary literally works out to like $70/hour. May as well head to the H&R block bort (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27923620) |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 7:26 PM Author: Tantric Judgmental Legal Warrant Station My total comp actually works out so it is almost hourly depending on my billables plus a little for my minimal business generation. So its not like I bill 2600 hours and get nothing more than if I was chilling at 1700 hours. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27923678) |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 11:44 PM Author: Smoky stubborn new version Hai me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27925831) |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 7:17 PM Author: Yellow Spectacular Mediation Resort his prob is that he still has these brainwashed naive mentality towards career that a striver right out of LS has... most lawyers lose that mentality within 2-5 years of BIGLAW... he is a corporate buttboi for life (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27923606) |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 9:50 PM Author: transparent underhanded nursing home It's hilarious that you pretend to have worked at biglaw (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27924920) |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 7:22 PM Author: Insecure Legend earl's brother, on the other hand... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27923642) |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 7:22 PM Author: amethyst embarrassed to the bone base hissy fit I don't know this bort lore (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27923645) |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 7:27 PM Author: Insecure Legend more handsome, more athletic, more biglaw, more chill, more healthy human relationships, etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27923696) |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 7:32 PM Author: Grizzly Racy Goal In Life yes but who is taller?? also how did HAWAII spit out these two strivers? i thought hawaii was about a certain "chill" type of life |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 7:33 PM Author: Insecure Legend earls brother is a chill as fuck biglawyer (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27923747) |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 7:26 PM Author: cracking dead location Go on... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27923677) |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 7:26 PM Author: Grizzly Racy Goal In Life idk about you guys but i'd be pretty happy making 400k in sunny LA with a loving GF, medical weed, regular ski trips, etc yeah he works a lot, but i don't know anyone making $400k who works LESS than he does.. true, he fucked up by buying that condo, which has handcuffed him. i would have rather bought a real place with much better value in the hills and dealt with the commute. if he works where i've been assuming he works, the hills wouldn't that far of a commute anyway. 40 minutes in your own car with your own music is much better than being packed like sardines on a MFH subway in the bitter cold. he also fucked up by having xo and his GF as his only social outlet, i don't know how that doesn't make him go stir crazy. even when i'm dating someone, if i don't get to chill with my friends, i become miserable and lonely. but those are personal differences anyway, earl is a top 1% outcome for law |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 7:28 PM Author: Insecure Legend earl is a snowboard prole tbf (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27923706) |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 7:31 PM Author: Tantric Judgmental Legal Warrant Station at least I did not break my asshole open trying to slow down before the ski lift dude. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27923728) |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 7:31 PM Author: Insecure Legend wtf (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27923730) |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 8:12 PM Author: Fluffy Roommate Turdskin agree w that last point. xo misery breeds xo misery (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27924062) |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 7:30 PM Author: comical telephone private investor Maybe not but he's POTUS compared to somebody like diesel (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27923715) |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 7:39 PM Author: chartreuse tank Anyone who is WGWAG spawn is successful by default - he has already won the genetic lottery.
Aside from his genetics, he is making more than pretty much anyone on XOXO (sorry rsf 9/11 money doesnt count because it is not real income).
Not only is he WGWAG spawn but he himself WGWAGs currently. I mean, not even Genghis motherfucking Khan himself - the most alpha Asian of all time - could keep his empire together after he died, but Earl is ensuring his superior genetic lineage is passed down to the Xth generation.
Lastly, he is the only man on earth to have dunked on Whokebe, although Whokebe has tried - unsuccessfully - to reversebigwilliestyle pwn him by claiming he was the dunker and not the dunkee. |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 7:41 PM Author: Grizzly Racy Goal In Life cr but his gf is azn no? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27923801) |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 7:41 PM Author: Yellow Spectacular Mediation Resort lol jfc (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27923802) |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 7:42 PM Author: Tantric Judgmental Legal Warrant Station my girlfriend is not white. she is 1/4 spanish but mostly Flip. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27923806) |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 7:43 PM Author: Yellow Spectacular Mediation Resort ljl at flips always pretending they are part spanish, literally all of them do that cause they are self hating, chances are she is just a chink looking AZNbitch.. u are dating a subhuman AZNgirl (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27923817) |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 7:46 PM Author: Tantric Judgmental Legal Warrant Station she is great. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27923835) |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 7:50 PM Author: soul-stirring nighttime school juggernaut this is true lol they all claim to be part something, ive even heard some say they are part chinese (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27923861) |
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Date: May 20th, 2015 6:19 AM Author: sable background story Many are part Chinese. More common than Spanish. A lot of Korean, recently (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27927109) |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 8:36 PM Author: vermilion fragrant cuck cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27924293) |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 7:51 PM Author: chartreuse tank WTF
damn old nigga went asian but didnt even get a manchu wifey when it came down to putting his days of whoring behind him |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 11:14 PM Author: Irradiated Walnut Wagecucks Gaming Laptop COP
also earl's ex was a hot Japanese American girl, whom he still pines for, definitely the one that got away.
japanese women >>> *** |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 10:42 PM Author: wonderful native laser beams every flip is basically just mexican bro (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27925292) |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 11:15 PM Author: talented church building (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27925578) |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 7:43 PM Author: soul-stirring nighttime school juggernaut boring (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27923814) |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 7:42 PM Author: startling heady forum gunner he's a top 5% (or whatever) earner on xo. as he has said himself he's just not generally a happy person but he seems fairly content, far more than most megapoasters here (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27923808) |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 7:46 PM Author: sinister point Pretty sure only earl does so (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27923833) |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 7:51 PM Author: Maniacal Step-uncle's House http://i.imgur.com/KRXYb.jpg (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27923873) |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 7:54 PM Author: sadistic deep ticket booth (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27923897) |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 8:06 PM Author: Tantric Judgmental Legal Warrant Station (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27923981) |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 8:36 PM Author: Grizzly Racy Goal In Life (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27924285) |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 8:32 PM Author: cracking dead location jfc earl got pwned (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27924263) |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 8:45 PM Author: outnumbered prole OK so this thread made me respect Earl more. Earl - what was your path to cop a 250k-300k midlaw job? Do you like it? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27924392) |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 8:49 PM Author: Tantric Judgmental Legal Warrant Station biglaw for 2.5 years.
laid off
moved to LA and took the bar.
Got a job in house before I got bar results back (in house did not require CA bar)
Worked in house for a year not making enough money.
Got a midlaw firm job at the end of 2010 doing what I used to do in biglaw, but on a broader scale.
I like it much better than biglaw. I am less of an asshole senior associate than the ones I worked for in NY. I still work a lot but cheap clients are more of an issue than ones that schedule conference calls on Sunday at 7 am. |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 10:31 PM Author: outnumbered prole Thanks. I remember you talking about still billing a ton; how many hours are most people billing?
Did you actually learn how to be a litigator at this place? Lord knows you don't in biglaw |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 8:54 PM Author: Marvelous magical roast beef temple Flame? This made me lose all the respect I had for earl (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27924472) |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 11:43 PM Author: amethyst embarrassed to the bone base hissy fit His defense of midlaw and the billable hour baffles me (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27925825) |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 8:53 PM Author: dull duck-like space hairy legs Earl is successful by any reasonable measure. He doesn't have billions in a startup or some super stud nuerosurgeon but he is a white collar professional making very good money (anything 300K+) and is healthy and fit and unlike aspie losers has some social skills and a long term GF.
LJL at XO shitting on him. The only way we could shit on him is if ALL of us are some YLS/SCOTUS/WLRK partner or USNA/Top Gun or MIT/Billion dollar IPO or Harvard PhD/Stanford Professor or HMS/John Hopkins or Rhodes/State senator on that US senator path
Considering half the board is asking abt how to be a solo or transition into 150K inhouse or get a shitlaw job or how to lose weight or help with suicide/mental addiction , Earl is a SUCCESS story
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Date: May 19th, 2015 9:01 PM Author: Copper Thirsty Goyim titcr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27924557) |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 9:06 PM Author: Pea-brained School Cafeteria I would hire earl (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27924591) |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 8:56 PM Author: Pea-brained School Cafeteria No one does that. But he is very successful.
Wtf do you want from a lawyer? |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 9:13 PM Author: Odious gas station He's very successful and I'd trade places with him in a second. However, there are people with EVEN BETTER lives who represent the "pinnacle of success." I guess there are just so many levels of people who have it better than I do. lol @ life. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27924662) |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 10:39 PM Author: drab self-centered crackhouse masturbator itt: typical xo nowag vs. nowig shit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27925271) |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 10:39 PM Author: aromatic place of business I'm not wading through that bullshit up top. Earl is a successful young lawyer who manages his money very well. This might not seem like much, but I'd say this places him at the pinnacle of our peer group. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27925276) |
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Date: May 20th, 2015 8:42 AM Author: Insecure Legend young??? lol sup earl (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27927439) |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 10:44 PM Author: wonderful native laser beams is going to trial even difficult? i wing that shit all the time as a crimbro. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27925304) |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 10:46 PM Author: Yellow Spectacular Mediation Resort civil trials are a lot more time consuming and difficult for whatever reason... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27925315) |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 11:21 PM Author: swashbuckling volcanic crater this thread could've been 2 or 3 posts. earl being like "yeah i guess so lol" and the OP being MAF once more, then the thread fades into the poasting aether but no you faggots decide it needs subthread wasteland upon subthread wasteland what a terrible thread, wgwag fuk u all |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 11:40 PM Author: amethyst embarrassed to the bone base hissy fit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27925796) |
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Date: May 19th, 2015 11:48 PM Author: Khaki hot spot The TT second round KO of earl is the upset of the year (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27925883) |
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Date: May 20th, 2015 11:32 AM Author: Grizzly Racy Goal In Life (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27928125) |
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Date: May 20th, 2015 8:42 AM Author: Laughsome Stage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27927443) |
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Date: May 20th, 2015 8:58 AM Author: Mildly autistic abnormal national :_(
Not too familiar with earl. How old is he? If mid-30s, $300K is good. Poasters in this board don't seem to understand that careers are 30 years old or more. Earl has 15 more years of working at least. That $300K could go up to $500K over time theoretically.
It's not the pinnacle of success but it is a good outcome. I know non-law people making 200K-300K at 30, they seem happy. |
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Date: May 20th, 2015 11:34 AM Author: Tantric Judgmental Legal Warrant Station 35 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27928132) |
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Date: May 20th, 2015 10:16 AM Author: Rose disrespectful senate I wish I was earl (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27927685) |
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Date: May 21st, 2015 9:56 PM Author: aromatic place of business This is now an earl appreciation thread. He's our don draper. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27940097) |
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Date: May 21st, 2015 10:27 PM Author: vivacious sepia trailer park incel he has 1/10 of don draper's alphaness and like 1/100 of his charm/charisma (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27940333) |
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Date: May 21st, 2015 10:29 PM Author: amber athletic conference sanctuary also don draper doesn't have a baby face so.... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27940347) |
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Date: May 21st, 2015 10:31 PM Author: Khaki hot spot earl is a top tier poster and a 180 dood (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2884398&forum_id=2#27940361) |
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Date: May 21st, 2015 10:16 PM Author: amber athletic conference sanctuary As far as legal careers go, I think most would consider his career very "winning"
As far as careers go, law is uncreative/unfulfilling striver shit so...... |