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Hypo: $10 Million dollars (You are in Raqqa Capital of Islamic State)

You will be dropped off in the ISIS stronghold of Raqqa with...
bat-shit-crazy casino
  06/28/15
why escape bro? probably the only place in the world with ...
internet-worthy travel guidebook
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Bistre irradiated church building
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Twinkling ladyboy
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No way. Amount of money doesnt matter. They'd behead you (if...
bronze hell philosopher-king
  06/28/15
(homosexual)
iridescent degenerate
  06/28/15
I volunteer Raping Terry Gross for the mission. All proceeds...
boyish pungent house
  06/28/15
Can I convert that $10m into weaponry ahead of time, and per...
marvelous mint macaca
  06/28/15
How long to train?
Pale insane doctorate bawdyhouse
  06/28/15
1 month.
bat-shit-crazy casino
  06/28/15
Your chances of survival would be terrible. You would have ...
motley business firm alpha
  06/28/15
Yeah, I dont see a way of making it work through non-violent...
fantasy-prone goyim stead
  06/28/15
And making it work through violent means doesn't seem surviv...
Contagious striped hyena station
  06/28/15
Jesus. It's like 5-6 hours to the Turkish border by car. My ...
fantasy-prone goyim stead
  06/28/15
Turkish border guards are corrupt as fuck and would sell you...
Talented genital piercing forum
  06/28/15
They are also cheap as fuck to bribe. Also, I'm a Westerner,...
fantasy-prone goyim stead
  06/28/15
(expert on Turkish border security, specifically Turkish bor...
Honey-headed Free-loading Pistol
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Adulterous whorehouse
  06/28/15
less than that. 60 miles. if i could get out of the city wit...
marvelous mint macaca
  06/28/15
lol. there are like checkpoints every 5 miles
Honey-headed Free-loading Pistol
  06/28/15
Yeah, that's why I threw is the 4 wheel drive. Dont think yo...
fantasy-prone goyim stead
  06/28/15
can I back out during my one month preparation period?
Honey-headed Free-loading Pistol
  06/28/15
As an online warmonger I have picked up enough Arabic that c...
Talented genital piercing forum
  06/28/15
Uh, so then we found this Jewish guy in a keffiyeh. Yeah, th...
tripping jew background story
  06/28/15
I'm sure you could just apologize for the oppression of muzl...
Jade spectacular kitty
  06/28/15
okay, i lol'd
trip dragon
  06/28/15
"They didn't care I was a Sayyid Qutb scholar!"
Pale insane doctorate bawdyhouse
  06/28/15
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sepia insecure national
  06/28/15
"But see?? Look at my instagram, I own a keffiyeh!
Honey-headed Free-loading Pistol
  06/28/15
"He seemed to care that I was a Talmudic scholar"
Honey-headed Free-loading Pistol
  06/28/15
Welp, I'm safe. *Puts on shades* Too bad, Honkys!
beady-eyed buff school yarmulke
  06/28/15
I would put you in the top three poasters least likely to su...
Blue half-breed resort
  06/28/15
loling
Honey-headed Free-loading Pistol
  06/28/15
I think an analogous scenario for you would be dropping you ...
odious boistinker really tough guy
  05/18/16
I think this is one where I would reject any amount of money...
Blue half-breed resort
  06/28/15
Gotta be higher than that. There are still places to hide. E...
marvelous mint macaca
  06/28/15
I wouldn't maek it Bout all I know is yella and chakran
Titillating brass elastic band candlestick maker
  06/28/15
Raqqa is the one place where the great men of the world have...
clear blood rage bbw
  06/28/15
We need some serious strategies ITT
costumed parlor rigor
  06/28/15
Walk along the euphrates at night only, before sun comes up ...
umber dilemma
  06/28/15
Andy McNabb did something similar in post-invasion Iraq the ...
Bat Shit Crazy Range Reading Party
  06/28/15
cr strategy would be to speak to zero people at all. Travel ...
umber dilemma
  06/28/15
You'd need basic arabic to hijack a car and read road signs,...
Bat Shit Crazy Range Reading Party
  06/28/15
No man just walk, it'd be 5-6 nights tops
umber dilemma
  06/28/15
Syria is an inhospitable desert, with temp swings from well ...
Bat Shit Crazy Range Reading Party
  06/28/15
Walk along the river upstream to turkey. If anyone comes nea...
umber dilemma
  06/28/15
Aren't rivers like that where all the people are?
Supple greedy field
  05/18/16
Talking out of your ass much? It's fertile farmland all the ...
marvelous mint macaca
  06/28/15
Then you just avoid the checkpoints and drive to the border?
costumed parlor rigor
  06/28/15
Yep, drive mostly at night and avoid checkpoints as much as ...
Bat Shit Crazy Range Reading Party
  06/28/15
I'd wouldn't risk it. I'm pretty sure I would survive but th...
dun histrionic address telephone
  06/28/15
Here's my strategy, provided that 1) The car is located n...
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coral violent native
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Yes if I had time to do some research. Wouldn't even be full...
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xoxoers staying put in given hypo, why?
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I know a chick whose husband is a green beret who lead a tea...
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you fuck her ? and what's his name?
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yes please
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Date: June 28th, 2015 2:10 PM
Author: bat-shit-crazy casino

You will be dropped off in the ISIS stronghold of Raqqa with no money but a small side arm. You must escape to the Turkish border.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921716&forum_id=2#28216735)



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Date: June 28th, 2015 3:25 PM
Author: internet-worthy travel guidebook

why escape bro? probably the only place in the world with similar beliefs to xo.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921716&forum_id=2#28217139)



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Date: June 28th, 2015 4:08 PM
Author: Bistre irradiated church building



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921716&forum_id=2#28217386)



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Date: June 28th, 2015 4:13 PM
Author: Blue half-breed resort



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921716&forum_id=2#28217423)



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Date: May 18th, 2016 9:43 AM
Author: Twinkling ladyboy



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921716&forum_id=2#30504088)



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Date: June 28th, 2015 2:12 PM
Author: bronze hell philosopher-king

No way. Amount of money doesnt matter. They'd behead you (if you're lucky).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921716&forum_id=2#28216743)



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Date: June 28th, 2015 2:15 PM
Author: iridescent degenerate

(homosexual)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921716&forum_id=2#28216761)



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Date: June 28th, 2015 2:14 PM
Author: boyish pungent house

I volunteer Raping Terry Gross for the mission. All proceeds will be donated to UNCF.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921716&forum_id=2#28216756)



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Date: June 28th, 2015 2:15 PM
Author: marvelous mint macaca

Can I convert that $10m into weaponry ahead of time, and perform my duty as an American while I'm there?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921716&forum_id=2#28216759)



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Date: June 28th, 2015 2:56 PM
Author: Pale insane doctorate bawdyhouse

How long to train?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921716&forum_id=2#28216946)



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Date: June 28th, 2015 3:44 PM
Author: bat-shit-crazy casino

1 month.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921716&forum_id=2#28217259)



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Date: June 28th, 2015 2:59 PM
Author: motley business firm alpha

Your chances of survival would be terrible. You would have very little chance of blending in with the local population.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921716&forum_id=2#28216956)



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Date: June 28th, 2015 3:00 PM
Author: fantasy-prone goyim stead

Yeah, I dont see a way of making it work through non-violent means.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921716&forum_id=2#28216961)



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Date: June 28th, 2015 9:03 PM
Author: Contagious striped hyena station

And making it work through violent means doesn't seem survivable.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921716&forum_id=2#28219417)



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Date: June 28th, 2015 2:59 PM
Author: fantasy-prone goyim stead

Jesus. It's like 5-6 hours to the Turkish border by car. My guess is you basically try to carjack a four wheel drive vehicle and then take your chances.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921716&forum_id=2#28216957)



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Date: June 28th, 2015 3:03 PM
Author: Talented genital piercing forum

Turkish border guards are corrupt as fuck and would sell your white ass to ISIS.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921716&forum_id=2#28216982)



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Date: June 28th, 2015 3:04 PM
Author: fantasy-prone goyim stead

They are also cheap as fuck to bribe. Also, I'm a Westerner, they'd highly unlikely to create problems versus some arab bro.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921716&forum_id=2#28216986)



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Date: June 28th, 2015 6:48 PM
Author: Honey-headed Free-loading Pistol

(expert on Turkish border security, specifically Turkish border guards)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921716&forum_id=2#28218390)



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Date: June 28th, 2015 6:49 PM
Author: Adulterous whorehouse



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921716&forum_id=2#28218395)



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Date: June 28th, 2015 3:04 PM
Author: marvelous mint macaca

less than that. 60 miles. if i could get out of the city with a moderate water supply, even just on foot, i'd be home free. but getting out of the city sounds hard as fuck.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921716&forum_id=2#28216987)



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Date: June 28th, 2015 6:47 PM
Author: Honey-headed Free-loading Pistol

lol. there are like checkpoints every 5 miles

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921716&forum_id=2#28218385)



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Date: June 28th, 2015 6:57 PM
Author: fantasy-prone goyim stead

Yeah, that's why I threw is the 4 wheel drive. Dont think you can stick to the roads. If it is only like 60 miles, then maybe you can gun it and hope. Not saying it is a great plan, but it feels like a higher success % than anything involving interacting with the people.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921716&forum_id=2#28218437)



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Date: June 28th, 2015 8:40 PM
Author: Honey-headed Free-loading Pistol

can I back out during my one month preparation period?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921716&forum_id=2#28219256)



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Date: June 28th, 2015 3:02 PM
Author: Talented genital piercing forum

As an online warmonger I have picked up enough Arabic that could convince them I'm a Tatar volunteer from Central Russia. So, I'd probably be killed by a drone strike instead of beheaded outright.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921716&forum_id=2#28216974)



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Date: June 28th, 2015 7:11 PM
Author: tripping jew background story

Uh, so then we found this Jewish guy in a keffiyeh. Yeah, the one who alternates between "TAKBIR!" and muttering "subhanahu wa ta'ala." I guess he's a little disabled.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921716&forum_id=2#28218520)



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Date: June 28th, 2015 3:11 PM
Author: Jade spectacular kitty

I'm sure you could just apologize for the oppression of muzlims by the U.S., explain that you voted for obama and just want to COEXIST with people of all religions as a CITIZEN OF THE WORLD. it's not like they are fucking animal savages.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921716&forum_id=2#28217037)



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Date: June 28th, 2015 3:13 PM
Author: trip dragon

okay, i lol'd

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921716&forum_id=2#28217053)



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Date: June 28th, 2015 3:14 PM
Author: Pale insane doctorate bawdyhouse

"They didn't care I was a Sayyid Qutb scholar!"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921716&forum_id=2#28217058)



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Date: June 28th, 2015 4:44 PM
Author: sepia insecure national



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921716&forum_id=2#28217603)



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Date: June 28th, 2015 6:50 PM
Author: Honey-headed Free-loading Pistol

"But see?? Look at my instagram, I own a keffiyeh!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921716&forum_id=2#28218396)



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Date: June 28th, 2015 6:49 PM
Author: Honey-headed Free-loading Pistol

"He seemed to care that I was a Talmudic scholar"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921716&forum_id=2#28218394)



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Date: June 28th, 2015 3:51 PM
Author: beady-eyed buff school yarmulke

Welp, I'm safe.

*Puts on shades*

Too bad, Honkys!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921716&forum_id=2#28217310)



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Date: June 28th, 2015 4:25 PM
Author: Blue half-breed resort

I would put you in the top three poasters least likely to survive.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921716&forum_id=2#28217477)



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Date: June 28th, 2015 6:50 PM
Author: Honey-headed Free-loading Pistol

loling

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921716&forum_id=2#28218399)



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Date: May 18th, 2016 9:41 AM
Author: odious boistinker really tough guy

I think an analogous scenario for you would be dropping you in a southern sundown town, with a corrupt sheriff and DA, circa 1950, at 10pm on homecoming night.

You'd be swinging with the wind.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921716&forum_id=2#30504081)



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Date: June 28th, 2015 4:11 PM
Author: Blue half-breed resort

I think this is one where I would reject any amount of money. Odds of success have to basically 0.00000001.

If I was swarthy and spoke Arabic I would take it if I had some time for research and planning.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921716&forum_id=2#28217409)



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Date: June 28th, 2015 4:32 PM
Author: marvelous mint macaca

Gotta be higher than that. There are still places to hide. Escape under the cover of darkness. Follow the north star to Turkey.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921716&forum_id=2#28217529)



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Date: June 28th, 2015 4:42 PM
Author: Titillating brass elastic band candlestick maker

I wouldn't maek it

Bout all I know is yella and chakran

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921716&forum_id=2#28217588)



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Date: June 28th, 2015 5:53 PM
Author: clear blood rage bbw

Raqqa is the one place where the great men of the world have broken <><><>< of nowig. I would buy a large farms and 4 brides. One light skinned syrian or Palestinian, one nig, one desi, and one from the slavic/caucus countries. Donate the rest to refugees

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921716&forum_id=2#28217989)



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Date: June 28th, 2015 6:52 PM
Author: costumed parlor rigor

We need some serious strategies ITT

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921716&forum_id=2#28218413)



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Date: June 28th, 2015 6:53 PM
Author: umber dilemma

Walk along the euphrates at night only, before sun comes up hide in thick brush, use the river for drinking water and hope you can make it to the border

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921716&forum_id=2#28218416)



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Date: June 28th, 2015 6:53 PM
Author: Bat Shit Crazy Range Reading Party

Andy McNabb did something similar in post-invasion Iraq the first time around, but I'm not an SAS badass. Given a few years to prepare, I think it's doable but I need to be in a lot better physical shape and sharpen my Arabic.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921716&forum_id=2#28218419)



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Date: June 28th, 2015 6:57 PM
Author: umber dilemma

cr strategy would be to speak to zero people at all. Travel only at night and avoid light

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921716&forum_id=2#28218435)



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Date: June 28th, 2015 7:02 PM
Author: Bat Shit Crazy Range Reading Party

You'd need basic arabic to hijack a car and read road signs, plus maybe ask about checkpoints. I'd follow their strategy of pretending to be injured and asking for a ride, it's their obligation in Islam to help anyone in need. Once they pull off the road, I spring into action with a handgun and make them mark all the checkpoints on a map, circumvent them, and drive for the border.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921716&forum_id=2#28218459)



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Date: June 28th, 2015 7:05 PM
Author: umber dilemma

No man just walk, it'd be 5-6 nights tops

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921716&forum_id=2#28218477)



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Date: June 28th, 2015 7:12 PM
Author: Bat Shit Crazy Range Reading Party

Syria is an inhospitable desert, with temp swings from well over 110 in the day to below freezing at night. It's not doable without at least a few gallons of water per day and a lot of clothing. If you don't die of dehydration or malnutrition, ISIS will find someone walking in a barren landscape easily. Best to blend in as much as possible, perhaps even dress as a woman in full niqab.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921716&forum_id=2#28218526)



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Date: June 28th, 2015 7:14 PM
Author: umber dilemma

Walk along the river upstream to turkey. If anyone comes near (you'd see their lights) you get in the river with a straw to breathe through. During the day you hide in the shade. Would be doable

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921716&forum_id=2#28218547)



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Date: May 18th, 2016 11:14 AM
Author: Supple greedy field

Aren't rivers like that where all the people are?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921716&forum_id=2#30504669)



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Date: June 28th, 2015 8:39 PM
Author: marvelous mint macaca

Talking out of your ass much? It's fertile farmland all the way. It averages 72 at night in the summer.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921716&forum_id=2#28219248)



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Date: June 28th, 2015 7:09 PM
Author: costumed parlor rigor

Then you just avoid the checkpoints and drive to the border?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921716&forum_id=2#28218499)



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Date: June 28th, 2015 7:13 PM
Author: Bat Shit Crazy Range Reading Party

Yep, drive mostly at night and avoid checkpoints as much as possible. It would still be slow going and I'd need to find a place to stash the truck during the day, but it is definitely your best chance for survival. If walking, you'd be fucked because there's nowhere to hide in the desert if you are spotted, and nobody runs faster than an AK47 bullet.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921716&forum_id=2#28218541)



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Date: June 28th, 2015 6:55 PM
Author: dun histrionic address telephone

I'd wouldn't risk it. I'm pretty sure I would survive but there are better ways to get 10 million. I'm European though so I'm actually pretty sure I could just get captured and ransomed back. Wouldn't want to get tortued or something though while they verify my story, or risk some mishap and get beheaded.

FYI zero chance a white dood with no language gets out alive. Your best best would be to find the nicest looking person and just pray they do the right thing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921716&forum_id=2#28218425)



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Date: June 28th, 2015 8:52 PM
Author: Honey-headed Free-loading Pistol

Here's my strategy, provided that

1) The car is located near my drop zone and away from sight

2) I am being dropped near the city center

Day 1: Get as much a feel for the surrounding area as possible. Try to map out alley ways, side streets, and the fastest route outside of the city if possible. Do not make any moves on day one. Just chill, observe and plan.

Night 1: Get a good night's rest. Jerk off and stay well hydrated.

Early morning day 2: Rev up engine around 6am and slowly drive out of the safe house. I would fashion a keffiyeh out of my t-shirt that would at the very least cause me to blend in. At this time of morning I will not around suspicion that I would had I left at 3am-4am, but still it is still early enough to avoid traffic jams that could potential blow my cover. Keep cool. Watch the horizon for check points. Turn right at all red lights. If there is a check point, pull to the side of the road before I reach it, idle for about 30 minutes, then turn around and try again.

If I am able to get out of the city without passing a checkpoint, I'm pretty much all set. Depart the main road as soon as I head out of the city and travel at least 5km off the highway. Then, take 90 degree turn north. After that, smooth sailing for the next 25 minutes. I collect my $10 million at the Turkish border.

IF I AM UNABLE TO AVOID CHECKPOINTS IN the city, I guess I would try to sneak out late at night, with some kind of disguise and use the sewer system to get out of the urbanized area, if possible. If not, try to stay on rooftops by jumping between them (I have some parkour experience so this would be easy). They hard part would be avoiding being detected in the city center. Once I had left the urban area, I would just use the same strategy as with a car. I could make the border in a day.

I'd say there's 40% chance of success in strategy 1

Perhaps 25% is strategy 2

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921716&forum_id=2#28219348)



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Date: May 17th, 2016 11:05 PM
Author: frozen violent place of business



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921716&forum_id=2#30502068)



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Date: May 17th, 2016 11:08 PM
Author: coral violent native



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921716&forum_id=2#30502089)



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Date: May 18th, 2016 11:19 AM
Author: Concupiscible maroon gaping

Yes if I had time to do some research. Wouldn't even be fully confident about which direction to go if this had happened this morning without warning

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921716&forum_id=2#30504688)



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Date: June 2nd, 2020 11:41 PM
Author: swollen galvanic hall

xoxoers staying put in given hypo, why?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921716&forum_id=2#40334777)



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Date: June 4th, 2020 12:45 AM
Author: swollen galvanic hall



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921716&forum_id=2#40344265)



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Date: June 7th, 2020 9:30 PM
Author: swollen galvanic hall



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921716&forum_id=2#40373317)



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Date: June 2nd, 2020 11:42 PM
Author: passionate federal site

I know a chick whose husband is a green beret who lead a team into Raqqa when the US assaulted it two years ago or so

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921716&forum_id=2#40334785)



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Date: June 4th, 2020 12:53 AM
Author: Vibrant jap affirmative action

you fuck her ? and what's his name?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921716&forum_id=2#40344296)



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Date: June 4th, 2020 12:54 AM
Author: smoky karate idiot

yes please

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2921716&forum_id=2#40344297)



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Date: June 4th, 2020 12:55 AM
Author: Crimson market

i knew this quarantine beard would come in handy

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