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LOL@ LAW PROFESSORS WHAT A FUCKING DISEASE Person A and Per...
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I saw that on Twitter today posted by Christina Hoff Somers....
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Assess chaps is a bisexual urbanite who is fed up with SJWs....
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Is there a single con on xo who you haven't determined is a ...
sepia costumed puppy
  06/28/15
ur the one who called AC bisexual
vigorous fighting faggotry stag film
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Lmao
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this is prima facie FUCKING INSANE. it's not even remotely ...
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lol brother. libsare JUST GETTINGSTARTED.
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Scary shit
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prima facie insanity. i like it.
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Coming soon to the MBE, if it becomes part of the MPC. Peopl...
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Is that real
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  06/29/15
http://www.law.nyu.edu/news/ideas/ali-penal-code-sexual-assa...
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lol. our last line of defense is a cadre of bootlickers who ...
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This specific statute aside, prosecutorial discretion is the...
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Fuck you, you piece of shit. I bet you would fail a lie dete...
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  06/29/15
For anyone who wasn't concerned, read this post
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  06/29/15
Remember when Bill Clinton-era libs were the party of freedo...
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  06/29/15
Underrated observation.
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thriller son of senegal nursing home
  06/29/15
great, this is definitely going to prevent a lot of rapes
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  06/29/15
Why do libs want to put more minorities in prison? Clearly t...
self-absorbed maroon macaca home
  06/29/15
The two reporters are working to avoid creating a code that ...
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  06/29/15
I don't think this is that outrageous to try. No one wants a...
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  06/29/15
basically every canon of criminal law comes down to the idea...
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Oh, without a doubt. In the sense of the standard of proof, ...
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  06/29/15
I know a guy who was at the ALI meeting when this went down....
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if it can be any touch anywhere on the body, why even requir...
fragrant private investor striped hyena
  06/29/15
i think i remember my lib crim prof in 2010 bitching that th...
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The current statute for MBE defines sexual assault ("ra...
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Date: June 28th, 2015 9:43 PM
Author: thriller son of senegal nursing home

LOL@ LAW PROFESSORS WHAT A FUCKING DISEASE

Person A and Person B are on a date and walking down the street. Person A, feeling romantically and sexually attracted, timidly reaches out to hold B’s hand and feels a thrill as their hands touch. Person B does nothing, but six months later files a criminal complaint. Person A is guilty of ‘Criminal Sexual Contact’ under proposed Section 213.6(3)(a).

Far-fetched? Not as the draft is written. The hypothetical crime cobbles together two of the draft’s key concepts. The first is affirmative consent. The second is an enlarged definition of criminal sexual contact that would include the touching of any body part, clothed or unclothed, with sexual gratification in mind. As the authors of the model law explain: “Any kind of contact may qualify. There are no limits on either the body part touched or the manner in which it is touched.” So if Person B neither invites nor rebukes a sexual advance, then anything that happens afterward is illegal. “With passivity expressly disallowed as consent,” the memo says, “the initiator quickly runs up a string of offenses with increasingly more severe penalties to be listed touch by touch and kiss by kiss in the criminal complaint.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/28/opinion/sunday/judith-shulevitz-regulating-sex.html



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922053&forum_id=2#28219664)



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Date: June 28th, 2015 10:02 PM
Author: Lime galvanic stage

why do people who know nothing about sex feel qualified to write laws about it?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922053&forum_id=2#28219773)



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Date: June 29th, 2015 9:05 AM
Author: Magical deep weed whacker garrison



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922053&forum_id=2#28221835)



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Date: June 29th, 2015 9:27 AM
Author: puce dashing blood rage cuck



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Date: June 28th, 2015 10:03 PM
Author: disturbing step-uncle's house roast beef

I saw that on Twitter today posted by Christina Hoff Somers... She's a good source for this stuff.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922053&forum_id=2#28219777)



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Date: June 28th, 2015 10:04 PM
Author: vigorous fighting faggotry stag film

(freeper)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922053&forum_id=2#28219781)



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Date: June 28th, 2015 10:13 PM
Author: sepia costumed puppy

Assess chaps is a bisexual urbanite who is fed up with SJWs. Work harder on your stalking game

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922053&forum_id=2#28219828)



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Date: June 28th, 2015 10:18 PM
Author: vigorous fighting faggotry stag film

LJL, wasn't that guy some sort of freelance writer. why are the "journalists" on xo all closeted reptile? that CharlesXII guy who works for the daily caller REEKS of repressed homosexual

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922053&forum_id=2#28219870)



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Date: June 28th, 2015 10:20 PM
Author: sepia costumed puppy

Is there a single con on xo who you haven't determined is a closet homo? It's almost like you're one yourself or something

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922053&forum_id=2#28219876)



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Date: June 28th, 2015 10:21 PM
Author: vigorous fighting faggotry stag film

ur the one who called AC bisexual

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922053&forum_id=2#28219879)



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Date: June 28th, 2015 10:11 PM
Author: sepia costumed puppy

Lmao

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922053&forum_id=2#28219820)



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Date: June 28th, 2015 10:28 PM
Author: crawly genital piercing

this is prima facie FUCKING INSANE.

it's not even remotely ENOUGH that people are criticising it. it should not even be something that anyone is asked to CONSIDER DISCUSSING. i should not be reading about this in the NYT. stop the FUCKING INSANITY.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922053&forum_id=2#28219916)



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Date: June 28th, 2015 10:33 PM
Author: sepia costumed puppy

lol brother. libsare JUST GETTINGSTARTED.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922053&forum_id=2#28219946)



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Date: June 28th, 2015 10:35 PM
Author: Khaki internet-worthy philosopher-king scourge upon the earth

Scary shit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922053&forum_id=2#28219960)



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Date: June 29th, 2015 8:51 AM
Author: navy tanning salon



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Date: June 29th, 2015 12:13 PM
Author: opaque school cafeteria legend

prima facie insanity.

i like it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922053&forum_id=2#28222746)



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Date: June 29th, 2015 12:48 AM
Author: thriller son of senegal nursing home



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922053&forum_id=2#28220733)



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Date: June 29th, 2015 8:44 AM
Author: thriller son of senegal nursing home



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922053&forum_id=2#28221806)



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Date: June 29th, 2015 8:50 AM
Author: Ebony School Ratface

Coming soon to the MBE, if it becomes part of the MPC. People who get that question wrong will be directly reported to Character & Fitness committees.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922053&forum_id=2#28221814)



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Date: June 29th, 2015 8:52 AM
Author: self-absorbed maroon macaca home

Is that real

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922053&forum_id=2#28221818)



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Date: June 29th, 2015 8:55 AM
Author: Ebony School Ratface

http://www.law.nyu.edu/news/ideas/ali-penal-code-sexual-assault

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922053&forum_id=2#28221823)



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Date: June 29th, 2015 9:05 AM
Author: Magical deep weed whacker garrison

THIS IS WHY ProsBros are the

BEST

LAST

DEFENSE

against bullshit cases.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922053&forum_id=2#28221837)



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Date: June 29th, 2015 9:14 AM
Author: Obsidian meetinghouse mental disorder

lol. our last line of defense is a cadre of bootlickers who chose to place their fellow citizens in cages for a living? boy do i feel safe.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922053&forum_id=2#28221853)



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Date: June 29th, 2015 12:02 PM
Author: razzle gaped water buffalo



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922053&forum_id=2#28222681)



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Date: June 29th, 2015 12:03 PM
Author: razzle gaped water buffalo

This specific statute aside, prosecutorial discretion is the thing that scares me the most about the criminal justice system.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922053&forum_id=2#28222693)



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Date: June 29th, 2015 3:18 PM
Author: supple hairless piazza



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922053&forum_id=2#28224045)



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Date: June 30th, 2015 1:42 AM
Author: high-end lettuce half-breed



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922053&forum_id=2#28228424)



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Date: June 29th, 2015 1:23 PM
Author: Chrome hall roommate

Fuck you, you piece of shit. I bet you would fail a lie detector test if you tried to claim: " I have never committed a crime while doing my job." almost 100% of prosecutors are felons. I can't wait for the lib thought police to hang you from a tree.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922053&forum_id=2#28223133)



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Date: June 29th, 2015 4:15 PM
Author: Kink-friendly hateful ape fortuitous meteor

For anyone who wasn't concerned, read this post

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922053&forum_id=2#28224474)



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Date: June 29th, 2015 9:30 AM
Author: Canary vibrant bawdyhouse

Remember when Bill Clinton-era libs were the party of freedom, liberation and fun?

Now Obama-era libs are puritanical tyrants and worse than the Christian right. They literally want to regulate sex.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922053&forum_id=2#28221898)



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Date: June 29th, 2015 1:22 PM
Author: Rose lascivious athletic conference

Underrated observation.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922053&forum_id=2#28223125)



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Date: June 29th, 2015 3:36 PM
Author: Canary vibrant bawdyhouse



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922053&forum_id=2#28224187)



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Date: June 29th, 2015 11:58 AM
Author: thriller son of senegal nursing home



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922053&forum_id=2#28222658)



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Date: June 29th, 2015 12:19 PM
Author: Drab Electric National Security Agency

great, this is definitely going to prevent a lot of rapes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922053&forum_id=2#28222791)



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Date: June 29th, 2015 12:29 PM
Author: self-absorbed maroon macaca home

Why do libs want to put more minorities in prison? Clearly the vast majority of whites won't be susceptible, but hysterical low iq female types will probably falsely accuse their male comrades of this all the time.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922053&forum_id=2#28222860)



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Date: June 29th, 2015 1:18 PM
Author: Drab Electric National Security Agency

The two reporters are working to avoid creating a code that is overly punitive, which could contribute to the problem of mass incarceration. “It’s kind of a weird thing to be embarking on a project to broaden and expand criminal liability in a time when everyone agrees that criminal liability has broadened too much,” Murphy says. “At the same time, mass incarceration has not been caused by overly vigorous pursuit of sex crimes. But we are cognizant that some of the more extreme penalties and collateral consequences associated with the criminal justice system have focused on sex offenders.”

just do cognizant

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922053&forum_id=2#28223105)



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Date: June 29th, 2015 12:32 PM
Author: razzle gaped water buffalo

I don't think this is that outrageous to try. No one wants a statute that fails to capture a legitimate sexual assault. Should be refined though.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922053&forum_id=2#28222885)



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Date: June 29th, 2015 4:32 PM
Author: fragrant private investor striped hyena

basically every canon of criminal law comes down to the idea that criminal punishment must be underinclusive rather than overinclusive.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922053&forum_id=2#28224651)



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Date: June 29th, 2015 4:53 PM
Author: razzle gaped water buffalo

Oh, without a doubt. In the sense of the standard of proof, "better a thousand guilty men go free than once innocent in jail," all of that stuff.

But in my mind (and correct me if I'm wrong, not a criminal attorney), this is designed to resolve questions of *fact* in favor of the D. We don't know exactly what went on and we can't, so if the testimony and evidence are close, err on the side of protecting the innocent.

The point I was raising is the over- or under-inclusion of the law. Granted, you have to have a state interest to criminalize conduct and we don't want to criminalize anything we don't have to. But I think most people's concept of sexual assault would cover, for example, someone touching someone's stomach through their clothes for sexual gratification without consent. Basically, assume we have perfect knowledge of the events (including mental state/intent), and assume that what occurred is undoubtedly what "we" (society) consider to be a sexual assault. At that point, we would certainly not want to release the defendant solely because the language of the statute did not actually criminalize the conduct.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922053&forum_id=2#28224816)



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Date: June 29th, 2015 1:15 PM
Author: Histrionic narrow-minded crackhouse boistinker

I know a guy who was at the ALI meeting when this went down. If it is at all comforting, hardly anyone (besides obviously interested non-profit type lawyers) supported the draft. Everyone was pretty outraged about the whole thing. There is even a lengthy letter drafted in opposition to the reporters' work thatbwas signed by a ton of members

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922053&forum_id=2#28223093)



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Date: June 29th, 2015 1:24 PM
Author: fragrant private investor striped hyena

if it can be any touch anywhere on the body, why even require the defendant have sexual gratification 'in mind'? Sexuality is so fluid now with asexuals and pansexuals. Why not just remove assault/battery from the MPC and make all unwanted touching a sex crime?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922053&forum_id=2#28223135)



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Date: June 30th, 2015 1:48 AM
Author: fishy idea he suggested theatre

i think i remember my lib crim prof in 2010 bitching that the mpc's rape statute was 1960s-era

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922053&forum_id=2#28228453)



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Date: June 30th, 2015 10:51 AM
Author: razzle gaped water buffalo

The current statute for MBE defines sexual assault ("rape") as a man putting his penis in the vagina of a woman who is not his wife without the woman's effective consent AND by force.

So, I think we could probably update this one a little

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922053&forum_id=2#28229620)