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LOL@ LAW PROFESSORS WHAT A FUCKING DISEASE Person A and Per...
provocative stubborn pistol voyeur
  06/28/15
why do people who know nothing about sex feel qualified to w...
hot dysfunction
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Mint state
  06/29/15
I saw that on Twitter today posted by Christina Hoff Somers....
grizzly center nowag
  06/28/15
(freeper)
mildly autistic translucent really tough guy
  06/28/15
Assess chaps is a bisexual urbanite who is fed up with SJWs....
Drab Big Volcanic Crater
  06/28/15
LJL, wasn't that guy some sort of freelance writer. why are ...
mildly autistic translucent really tough guy
  06/28/15
Is there a single con on xo who you haven't determined is a ...
Drab Big Volcanic Crater
  06/28/15
ur the one who called AC bisexual
mildly autistic translucent really tough guy
  06/28/15
Lmao
Drab Big Volcanic Crater
  06/28/15
this is prima facie FUCKING INSANE. it's not even remotely ...
racy dull crotch
  06/28/15
lol brother. libsare JUST GETTINGSTARTED.
Drab Big Volcanic Crater
  06/28/15
Scary shit
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Appetizing submissive jap brethren
  06/29/15
prima facie insanity. i like it.
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provocative stubborn pistol voyeur
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provocative stubborn pistol voyeur
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Coming soon to the MBE, if it becomes part of the MPC. Peopl...
passionate tanning salon
  06/29/15
Is that real
Arousing chestnut sneaky criminal partner
  06/29/15
http://www.law.nyu.edu/news/ideas/ali-penal-code-sexual-assa...
passionate tanning salon
  06/29/15
THIS IS WHY ProsBros are the BEST LAST DEFENSE ...
Insecure Cumskin Place Of Business
  06/29/15
lol. our last line of defense is a cadre of bootlickers who ...
Metal Property
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Vermilion odious step-uncle's house
  06/29/15
This specific statute aside, prosecutorial discretion is the...
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Multi-colored splenetic stead haunted graveyard
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Walnut mind-boggling cruise ship striped hyena
  06/30/15
Fuck you, you piece of shit. I bet you would fail a lie dete...
puce rough-skinned base quadroon
  06/29/15
For anyone who wasn't concerned, read this post
Wine mediation sound barrier
  06/29/15
Remember when Bill Clinton-era libs were the party of freedo...
motley pontificating nursing home
  06/29/15
Underrated observation.
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provocative stubborn pistol voyeur
  06/29/15
great, this is definitely going to prevent a lot of rapes
charismatic zippy selfie school cafeteria
  06/29/15
Why do libs want to put more minorities in prison? Clearly t...
Arousing chestnut sneaky criminal partner
  06/29/15
The two reporters are working to avoid creating a code that ...
charismatic zippy selfie school cafeteria
  06/29/15
I don't think this is that outrageous to try. No one wants a...
Vermilion odious step-uncle's house
  06/29/15
basically every canon of criminal law comes down to the idea...
maize hairless milk
  06/29/15
Oh, without a doubt. In the sense of the standard of proof, ...
Vermilion odious step-uncle's house
  06/29/15
I know a guy who was at the ALI meeting when this went down....
Flirting Black Woman Queen Of The Night
  06/29/15
if it can be any touch anywhere on the body, why even requir...
maize hairless milk
  06/29/15
i think i remember my lib crim prof in 2010 bitching that th...
maniacal lodge dopamine
  06/30/15
The current statute for MBE defines sexual assault ("ra...
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Date: June 28th, 2015 9:43 PM
Author: provocative stubborn pistol voyeur

LOL@ LAW PROFESSORS WHAT A FUCKING DISEASE

Person A and Person B are on a date and walking down the street. Person A, feeling romantically and sexually attracted, timidly reaches out to hold B’s hand and feels a thrill as their hands touch. Person B does nothing, but six months later files a criminal complaint. Person A is guilty of ‘Criminal Sexual Contact’ under proposed Section 213.6(3)(a).

Far-fetched? Not as the draft is written. The hypothetical crime cobbles together two of the draft’s key concepts. The first is affirmative consent. The second is an enlarged definition of criminal sexual contact that would include the touching of any body part, clothed or unclothed, with sexual gratification in mind. As the authors of the model law explain: “Any kind of contact may qualify. There are no limits on either the body part touched or the manner in which it is touched.” So if Person B neither invites nor rebukes a sexual advance, then anything that happens afterward is illegal. “With passivity expressly disallowed as consent,” the memo says, “the initiator quickly runs up a string of offenses with increasingly more severe penalties to be listed touch by touch and kiss by kiss in the criminal complaint.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/28/opinion/sunday/judith-shulevitz-regulating-sex.html



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922053&forum_id=2#28219664)



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Date: June 28th, 2015 10:02 PM
Author: hot dysfunction

why do people who know nothing about sex feel qualified to write laws about it?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922053&forum_id=2#28219773)



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Date: June 29th, 2015 9:05 AM
Author: Insecure Cumskin Place Of Business



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922053&forum_id=2#28221835)



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Date: June 29th, 2015 9:27 AM
Author: Mint state



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922053&forum_id=2#28221892)



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Date: June 28th, 2015 10:03 PM
Author: grizzly center nowag

I saw that on Twitter today posted by Christina Hoff Somers... She's a good source for this stuff.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922053&forum_id=2#28219777)



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Date: June 28th, 2015 10:04 PM
Author: mildly autistic translucent really tough guy

(freeper)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922053&forum_id=2#28219781)



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Date: June 28th, 2015 10:13 PM
Author: Drab Big Volcanic Crater

Assess chaps is a bisexual urbanite who is fed up with SJWs. Work harder on your stalking game

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922053&forum_id=2#28219828)



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Date: June 28th, 2015 10:18 PM
Author: mildly autistic translucent really tough guy

LJL, wasn't that guy some sort of freelance writer. why are the "journalists" on xo all closeted reptile? that CharlesXII guy who works for the daily caller REEKS of repressed homosexual

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922053&forum_id=2#28219870)



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Date: June 28th, 2015 10:20 PM
Author: Drab Big Volcanic Crater

Is there a single con on xo who you haven't determined is a closet homo? It's almost like you're one yourself or something

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922053&forum_id=2#28219876)



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Date: June 28th, 2015 10:21 PM
Author: mildly autistic translucent really tough guy

ur the one who called AC bisexual

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922053&forum_id=2#28219879)



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Date: June 28th, 2015 10:11 PM
Author: Drab Big Volcanic Crater

Lmao

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922053&forum_id=2#28219820)



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Date: June 28th, 2015 10:28 PM
Author: racy dull crotch

this is prima facie FUCKING INSANE.

it's not even remotely ENOUGH that people are criticising it. it should not even be something that anyone is asked to CONSIDER DISCUSSING. i should not be reading about this in the NYT. stop the FUCKING INSANITY.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922053&forum_id=2#28219916)



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Date: June 28th, 2015 10:33 PM
Author: Drab Big Volcanic Crater

lol brother. libsare JUST GETTINGSTARTED.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922053&forum_id=2#28219946)



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Date: June 28th, 2015 10:35 PM
Author: laughsome narrow-minded parlour

Scary shit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922053&forum_id=2#28219960)



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Date: June 29th, 2015 8:51 AM
Author: Appetizing submissive jap brethren



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Date: June 29th, 2015 12:13 PM
Author: dashing federal philosopher-king crackhouse

prima facie insanity.

i like it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922053&forum_id=2#28222746)



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Date: June 29th, 2015 12:48 AM
Author: provocative stubborn pistol voyeur



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Date: June 29th, 2015 8:44 AM
Author: provocative stubborn pistol voyeur



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922053&forum_id=2#28221806)



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Date: June 29th, 2015 8:50 AM
Author: passionate tanning salon

Coming soon to the MBE, if it becomes part of the MPC. People who get that question wrong will be directly reported to Character & Fitness committees.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922053&forum_id=2#28221814)



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Date: June 29th, 2015 8:52 AM
Author: Arousing chestnut sneaky criminal partner

Is that real

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922053&forum_id=2#28221818)



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Date: June 29th, 2015 8:55 AM
Author: passionate tanning salon

http://www.law.nyu.edu/news/ideas/ali-penal-code-sexual-assault

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922053&forum_id=2#28221823)



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Date: June 29th, 2015 9:05 AM
Author: Insecure Cumskin Place Of Business

THIS IS WHY ProsBros are the

BEST

LAST

DEFENSE

against bullshit cases.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922053&forum_id=2#28221837)



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Date: June 29th, 2015 9:14 AM
Author: Metal Property

lol. our last line of defense is a cadre of bootlickers who chose to place their fellow citizens in cages for a living? boy do i feel safe.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922053&forum_id=2#28221853)



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Date: June 29th, 2015 12:02 PM
Author: Vermilion odious step-uncle's house



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922053&forum_id=2#28222681)



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Date: June 29th, 2015 12:03 PM
Author: Vermilion odious step-uncle's house

This specific statute aside, prosecutorial discretion is the thing that scares me the most about the criminal justice system.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922053&forum_id=2#28222693)



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Date: June 29th, 2015 3:18 PM
Author: Multi-colored splenetic stead haunted graveyard



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922053&forum_id=2#28224045)



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Date: June 30th, 2015 1:42 AM
Author: Walnut mind-boggling cruise ship striped hyena



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Date: June 29th, 2015 1:23 PM
Author: puce rough-skinned base quadroon

Fuck you, you piece of shit. I bet you would fail a lie detector test if you tried to claim: " I have never committed a crime while doing my job." almost 100% of prosecutors are felons. I can't wait for the lib thought police to hang you from a tree.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922053&forum_id=2#28223133)



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Date: June 29th, 2015 4:15 PM
Author: Wine mediation sound barrier

For anyone who wasn't concerned, read this post

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922053&forum_id=2#28224474)



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Date: June 29th, 2015 9:30 AM
Author: motley pontificating nursing home

Remember when Bill Clinton-era libs were the party of freedom, liberation and fun?

Now Obama-era libs are puritanical tyrants and worse than the Christian right. They literally want to regulate sex.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922053&forum_id=2#28221898)



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Date: June 29th, 2015 1:22 PM
Author: Trip pit new version

Underrated observation.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922053&forum_id=2#28223125)



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Date: June 29th, 2015 3:36 PM
Author: motley pontificating nursing home



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922053&forum_id=2#28224187)



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Date: June 29th, 2015 11:58 AM
Author: provocative stubborn pistol voyeur



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Date: June 29th, 2015 12:19 PM
Author: charismatic zippy selfie school cafeteria

great, this is definitely going to prevent a lot of rapes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922053&forum_id=2#28222791)



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Date: June 29th, 2015 12:29 PM
Author: Arousing chestnut sneaky criminal partner

Why do libs want to put more minorities in prison? Clearly the vast majority of whites won't be susceptible, but hysterical low iq female types will probably falsely accuse their male comrades of this all the time.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922053&forum_id=2#28222860)



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Date: June 29th, 2015 1:18 PM
Author: charismatic zippy selfie school cafeteria

The two reporters are working to avoid creating a code that is overly punitive, which could contribute to the problem of mass incarceration. “It’s kind of a weird thing to be embarking on a project to broaden and expand criminal liability in a time when everyone agrees that criminal liability has broadened too much,” Murphy says. “At the same time, mass incarceration has not been caused by overly vigorous pursuit of sex crimes. But we are cognizant that some of the more extreme penalties and collateral consequences associated with the criminal justice system have focused on sex offenders.”

just do cognizant

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922053&forum_id=2#28223105)



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Date: June 29th, 2015 12:32 PM
Author: Vermilion odious step-uncle's house

I don't think this is that outrageous to try. No one wants a statute that fails to capture a legitimate sexual assault. Should be refined though.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922053&forum_id=2#28222885)



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Date: June 29th, 2015 4:32 PM
Author: maize hairless milk

basically every canon of criminal law comes down to the idea that criminal punishment must be underinclusive rather than overinclusive.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922053&forum_id=2#28224651)



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Date: June 29th, 2015 4:53 PM
Author: Vermilion odious step-uncle's house

Oh, without a doubt. In the sense of the standard of proof, "better a thousand guilty men go free than once innocent in jail," all of that stuff.

But in my mind (and correct me if I'm wrong, not a criminal attorney), this is designed to resolve questions of *fact* in favor of the D. We don't know exactly what went on and we can't, so if the testimony and evidence are close, err on the side of protecting the innocent.

The point I was raising is the over- or under-inclusion of the law. Granted, you have to have a state interest to criminalize conduct and we don't want to criminalize anything we don't have to. But I think most people's concept of sexual assault would cover, for example, someone touching someone's stomach through their clothes for sexual gratification without consent. Basically, assume we have perfect knowledge of the events (including mental state/intent), and assume that what occurred is undoubtedly what "we" (society) consider to be a sexual assault. At that point, we would certainly not want to release the defendant solely because the language of the statute did not actually criminalize the conduct.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922053&forum_id=2#28224816)



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Date: June 29th, 2015 1:15 PM
Author: Flirting Black Woman Queen Of The Night

I know a guy who was at the ALI meeting when this went down. If it is at all comforting, hardly anyone (besides obviously interested non-profit type lawyers) supported the draft. Everyone was pretty outraged about the whole thing. There is even a lengthy letter drafted in opposition to the reporters' work thatbwas signed by a ton of members

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922053&forum_id=2#28223093)



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Date: June 29th, 2015 1:24 PM
Author: maize hairless milk

if it can be any touch anywhere on the body, why even require the defendant have sexual gratification 'in mind'? Sexuality is so fluid now with asexuals and pansexuals. Why not just remove assault/battery from the MPC and make all unwanted touching a sex crime?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922053&forum_id=2#28223135)



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Date: June 30th, 2015 1:48 AM
Author: maniacal lodge dopamine

i think i remember my lib crim prof in 2010 bitching that the mpc's rape statute was 1960s-era

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922053&forum_id=2#28228453)



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Date: June 30th, 2015 10:51 AM
Author: Vermilion odious step-uncle's house

The current statute for MBE defines sexual assault ("rape") as a man putting his penis in the vagina of a woman who is not his wife without the woman's effective consent AND by force.

So, I think we could probably update this one a little

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922053&forum_id=2#28229620)